STEAM NO SUPPORT ON XP AND VISTA: BUT... Questions I have?

[オリエ]

OK. So the news is that no more suport in Windows Xp and Vista.... BUT

I am still using WIN XP, and I have very good reasons for it (its my problem), but.... I have a lot fo questions:

-> recently the screenshot function (F12) stopped workign out of nowhere, and I was looking on the web, and everyone seemed to say, to use in settings, "Steam Beta Update"
As result, yesterday I was only introduced to the counter above on Steam winodw pointing how many days I can still use Steam.
-> now, for some reason, I was logged in my account, but I was not. Steam would login with my username and password,all correct, but I wa snot able to see my profile nor my provate stuff like screenshots.
-> turned out, I changed in settings, from "Steam Beta Update" to "NONE - opt out of all beta programs", and now I can access my account fully, and that counter disapeared.

My question is:
As I can afford to change out of nowhere of OS, even if Steam will not have suport on Win XP, will I still be able to play my games? no support, ok. But can I still play my games? I payed for them, and as much as some people might say "just update your OS" that is out of question for a lot of personal reasons. Because now I feel... I wasted money for nothing.

-> Is there a way to contact STEAM Support directly, like an e-mail?
because I need a solution regarding my screenshots. I have almost 8 500 screenshots, and due to a steam bug, it got deleted from my Hard-drive, luckily, fro some strange reason I woudl alwyas upload them on my cloud account. Going one by one picture..... is gonna take a some time to get it all back. I wanted to be able to get them all at once.
"Steamgrabber" option is a no-no, as I already tried it.

Please, would spome one be kindly enough to help me with these questions of mine?

[76561198001062896]

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In any case, there needs to be SOME solution to allow us to play our retro games on our retro hardware.

No, there doesn't.

Game licenses are tied to the Steam account which clearly states in the SSA that the system requirements for Steam will change.

Anyone with an IQ over 5 understands that technical progression means old things won't be able to work on new things and since we're sold "as is" licenses, we're SOL or at mercy to IF the developer wants to update it.

If you want to retro it up, buy games outside a client that will keep up-to-date with technology.

this pretty much

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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It's not Valve/Steam job to do anything for anyone games, they're a digital distribution platform, that means you buy from them, they give you the game files that you download from them, and that's it.

Wrong. If this was the case there wouldn't be any issue -- you could simply download all of your games onto a retro Windows XP machine from Steam before the deadline. Except that's not it. You have to connect to their client to launch the game... even after it's been 'distributed' to you.

Here I blow your mind right now, delete Steam off your system that's running XP. Now on your modem PC, with Windows 7, or newer, or even linux, download a game that was made for, or before Vista. Now get a USB stick, copy the whole game folder where you downloaded it to the USB stick, now take that USB stick to your system that's running XP, drag, and drop the game folder, now run the game .exe, and watch how it starts up without needing Steam client.

Try Fallout 1, Fallout 2, etc...

Some games do not need Steam client to play them, games that are also made for OpenGL do not need Steam Client.

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Първоначално публикувано от rvn515:

Then check shop pages and look for system requirements. It will be pretty funny to see XP or Vista support without ability to download games on their systems. Stripping all responsibility from Valve is pretty funny.

Let's add PS4 and XBOX games to the Steam store too. It'll be our responsibility to get them transferred over to the system they were developed for and up and running.

Sure, why not, I play along, we got the new assassin creed games, we got ryse son of rome, etc, since those games got ported to PC....

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Първоначално публикувано от GDL:

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In any case, there needs to be SOME solution to allow us to play our retro games on our retro hardware.

No, there doesn't.

Game licenses are tied to the Steam account which clearly states in the SSA that the system requirements for Steam will change.

Anyone with an IQ over 5 understands that technical progression means old things won't be able to work on new things and since we're sold "as is" licenses, we're SOL or at mercy to IF the developer wants to update it.

If you want to retro it up, buy games outside a client that will keep up-to-date with technology.

EXACTLY!

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Първоначално публикувано от rvn515:

Then check shop pages and look for system requirements. It will be pretty funny to see XP or Vista support without ability to download games on their systems. Stripping all responsibility from Valve is pretty funny.

Valve did not make those games. It is not their responsibility. Their responsibility is to make sure their software works on systems they deem to be the minimum requirement, and it does.

^This.

[Lord of the Infinite Clouds]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Here I blow your mind right now, delete Steam off your system that's running XP. Now on your modem PC, with Windows 7, or newer, or even linux, download a game that was made for, or before Vista. Now get a USB stick, copy the whole game folder where you downloaded it to the USB stick, now take that USB stick to your system that's running XP, drag, and drop the game folder, now run the game .exe, and watch how it starts up without needing Steam client.

Try Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Hitman Codename 47, etc...

Some games do not need Steam client to play them, games that are also made for OpenGL do not need Steam Client.

These are Windows 9x games. If this is true of Windows XP era titles as well, however, that would negate the need for a legacy client.

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Anyone with an IQ over 5 understands that technical progression means old things won't be able to work on new things and since we're sold "as is" licenses, we're SOL or at mercy to IF the developer wants to update it.

If you want to retro it up, buy games outside a client that will keep up-to-date with technology.

In other words... if select CURRENT (Windows 10) titles are being sold on Steam, UPlay, Origin and GOG then in 20-30 years from now folks who purchased those games on Steam will have flushed that money down the toilet, potentially the same for Origin/Uplay if they discontinue their legacy clients, and only those who purchased their games at GOG will be guaranteed to have anything to show for it.

I mean today's software and OS are guaranteed to become obsolete as well, of course. It's just the nature of technology.

[FMP]

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In other words... if select CURRENT (Windows 10) titles are being sold on Steam, UPlay, Origin and GOG then in 20-30 years from now folks who purchased those games on Steam will have flushed that money down the toilet, potentially the same for Origin/Uplay if they discontinue their legacy clients, and only those who purchased their games at GOG will be guaranteed to have anything to show for it.

Almost.
Steam users will have the license attached to their account. Chances are you can't use it, but what was sold is still given:

A license to use said software in a as is state.

[Lain]

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In other words... if select CURRENT (Windows 10) titles are being sold on Steam, UPlay, Origin and GOG then in 20-30 years from now folks who purchased those games on Steam will have flushed that money down the toilet, potentially the same for Origin/Uplay if they discontinue their legacy clients, and only those who purchased their games at GOG will be guaranteed to have anything to show for it.

If the developers don't add compatibility for new systems, then yes. That's the entire point. The consumer is encouraged to keep buying the newest product, maximising profit.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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These are Windows 9x games. If this is true of Windows XP era titles as well, however, that would negate the need for a legacy client.

Games that were throw onto Steam, and were not tampered with by the devs, by not applying any Steam checks, they will play without Steam client. Also far as I know all OpenGL games do not need Steam client to be played.

[Lain]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

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These are Windows 9x games. If this is true of Windows XP era titles as well, however, that would negate the need for a legacy client.

Games that were throw onto Steam, and were not tampered with by the devs, by not applying any Steam checks, they will play without Steam client. Also far as I know all OpenGL games do not need Steam client to be played.

Just kill the Steam process, go to the install folder, and run the game executable. If it doesn't re-open Steam first, then it doesn't use Steam DRM.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Games that were throw onto Steam, and were not tampered with by the devs, by not applying any Steam checks, they will play without Steam client. Also far as I know all OpenGL games do not need Steam client to be played.

Just kill the Steam process, go to the install folder, and run the game executable. If it doesn't re-open Steam first, then it doesn't use Steam DRM.

Basically yes, this is the quickest way of checking if the game need the Steam client, or not.

[Lord of the Infinite Clouds]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Games that were throw onto Steam, and were not tampered with by the devs, by not applying any Steam checks, they will play without Steam client. Also far as I know all OpenGL games do not need Steam client to be played.

If that's really the case then it is, in fact, the publishers responsibility to remove these checks. For games that already have no such checks... Valve is able to offer their customers better service by simply providing offline .exe installers for download, as well, and they should do this.

Fallout 3 even has the "Notice: Fallout 3 is not optimized for Windows 7 and later." on the Store Page, currently. IGN's recent "The Best Way to Buy and Play Every Fallout Game Before Fallout 76" article explicity recommends the GOG version of FO3 over the Steam - "unless you're still running Windows XP, it might not be worth the trouble.". Though I think GOG, not Bethesda, stripped GFWL from the version they're selling on their site -- so they've assumed responsibility to sell a working product.

Speaking of GFWL.... when it was shut down it was also each individual publisher/developer's responsibility to push a patch to strip it from their game on Steam?

This also means that the many games sold on Steam but require you to then launch Uplay would be useless clutter in your Steam Library if Ubisoft were to ever shut down its services.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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Fallout 3 even has the "Notice: Fallout 3 is not optimized for Windows 7 and later." on the Store Page, currently. IGN's recent "The Best Way to Buy and Play Every Fallout Game Before Fallout 76" article explicity recommends the GOG version of FO3 over the Steam - "unless you're still running Windows XP, it might not be worth the trouble.". Though I think GOG, not Bethesda, stripped GFWL from the version they're selling on their site -- so they've assumed responsibility to sell a working product.

Speaking of GFWL.... when it was shut down it was also each individual publisher/developer's responsibility to push a patch to strip it from their game on Steam?

This also means that the many games sold on Steam but require you to then launch Uplay would be useless clutter in your Steam Library if Ubisoft were to ever shut down its services.

GoG goes out of their way to fight against DRM. Which is why they recommend fallout 3 from GoG.

GFWL support ended in 2014, by Microsoft decision.

Devs/Pub that did not return, to remove the GFWL are going to have errors, there are work around, such as GFWL disabler, for fallout 3 there two mods on Nexus Mods that do the same thing by disabling the GFWL.

Devs/pub do not have hard time removing GFWL, but will have a hard time of reworking the match making, or online function alternative. Dark souls 1 is an example, they remove it, but you're only limited to match with people from your region/country, making it harder to invade, or to be invaded.

Yes Uplay games will be an issue, if they're force to use Uplay client, and if the servers go down for good, then it's up to Ubisoft to fix their DRM games, but if not, Steam/Valve will most likely remove Ubisoft games that are mandatory of requiring Uplay client, from the store pages, to prevent people from wasting their time buying them.

[FMP]

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Valve is able to offer their customers better service by simply providing offline .exe installers for download, as well, and they should do this.

Only if that game's publishers allow them too.

Steam was build for Valves games, selling other publishers games brings in money but they have no rights to the products that are for sale. I for one would love a 'offline' copy but with Valve, won't happen.

[Lord of the Infinite Clouds]

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Valve is able to offer their customers better service by simply providing offline .exe installers for download, as well, and they should do this.

Only if that game's publishers allow them too.

That's why I said "if there are no checks in place." Essentially, if the publisher has no DRM attached to the game then Valve can provide an .exe installer. The only difference between this and installing a game on your main PC then copying the game directory over to your retro one is that this provides their customers with a more convenient and better experience.

[FMP]

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Only if that game's publishers allow them too.

That's why I said "if there are no checks in place." Essentially, if the publisher has no DRM attached to the game then Valve can provide an .exe installer. The only difference between this and installing a game on your main PC then copying the game directory over to your retro one is that this provides their customers with a more convenient and better experience.

Valve can't provide anything but what is given to them for 3rd party games.
What 'we' get given is 100% down to the publisher of that game.

[Oh Dear]

As you said, it is your problem. Even Microsoft does not support these systems anymore. There is no need to spend money to support dead systems.