STEAM NO SUPPORT ON XP AND VISTA: BUT... Questions I have?

[オリエ]

OK. So the news is that no more suport in Windows Xp and Vista.... BUT

I am still using WIN XP, and I have very good reasons for it (its my problem), but.... I have a lot fo questions:

-> recently the screenshot function (F12) stopped workign out of nowhere, and I was looking on the web, and everyone seemed to say, to use in settings, "Steam Beta Update"
As result, yesterday I was only introduced to the counter above on Steam winodw pointing how many days I can still use Steam.
-> now, for some reason, I was logged in my account, but I was not. Steam would login with my username and password,all correct, but I wa snot able to see my profile nor my provate stuff like screenshots.
-> turned out, I changed in settings, from "Steam Beta Update" to "NONE - opt out of all beta programs", and now I can access my account fully, and that counter disapeared.

My question is:
As I can afford to change out of nowhere of OS, even if Steam will not have suport on Win XP, will I still be able to play my games? no support, ok. But can I still play my games? I payed for them, and as much as some people might say "just update your OS" that is out of question for a lot of personal reasons. Because now I feel... I wasted money for nothing.

-> Is there a way to contact STEAM Support directly, like an e-mail?
because I need a solution regarding my screenshots. I have almost 8 500 screenshots, and due to a steam bug, it got deleted from my Hard-drive, luckily, fro some strange reason I woudl alwyas upload them on my cloud account. Going one by one picture..... is gonna take a some time to get it all back. I wanted to be able to get them all at once.
"Steamgrabber" option is a no-no, as I already tried it.

Please, would spome one be kindly enough to help me with these questions of mine?

[Coffee]

引用自 Zetikla：

引用自 Vendayn：

Honestly, all this is going to do is make MORE people pirate. Then they don't have to spend money they don't have if they can't afford to upgrade their PC (which is far more expensive than buying a cheap game on sale) for whatever reason that they can't afford... to play the games they already bought, but now will need to go to outside sources to actually play when they spent their money on them already.

if someone seriously couldnt afford during 10 years from XP to Win 10, they may have more important priorities than pc gaming, just sayin

Also may I point out that the support page explicitly says the client will still run on xp after that date but certain new features wont work for it

As to how ppl read into it that it equals "not being able to download and play old legacy games" is beyond me


Modern games have dropped support for XP and Vista for most part so thats not even a factor.

Well, even the poorest person still wants entertainment. And say person buys one game on sale, that is considerably cheaper than an OS upgrade. Some games are cheaper than 99 cents. Even homeless people go to recreation areas to have fun or spend money, just cause they are homeless or poor it doesn't mean they suddenly can't ever relax and enjoy life. Just a different way to look at it. And games these days are pretty cheap, except the triple A titles of course.

I don't really have income problems though myself. But there was a time my family was pretty hard up. These days I just buy it if I want, and not much risk with refunds (though I try and not use it very much, don't like using the refund thing too often)

But if in fact just features don't work and the games can still be played then I dunno what this thread is about lol. I don't see a problem at all if people can keep playing games and download the ones they have. Maybe the OP didn't know or got told wrong info if that is in fact how its gonna be.

[rvn515]

引用自 Zetikla：

引用自 Vendayn：

Honestly, all this is going to do is make MORE people pirate. Then they don't have to spend money they don't have if they can't afford to upgrade their PC (which is far more expensive than buying a cheap game on sale) for whatever reason that they can't afford... to play the games they already bought, but now will need to go to outside sources to actually play when they spent their money on them already.

if someone seriously couldnt afford during 10 years from XP to Win 10, they may have more important priorities than pc gaming, just sayin

Also may I point out that the support page explicitly says the client will still run on xp after that date but certain new features wont work for it

As to how ppl read into it that it equals "not being able to download and play old legacy games" is beyond me


Modern games have dropped support for XP and Vista for most part so thats not even a factor.

引用自 Vendayn：

引用自 Zetikla：

if someone seriously couldnt afford during 10 years from XP to Win 10, they may have more important priorities than pc gaming, just sayin

Also may I point out that the support page explicitly says the client will still run on xp after that date but certain new features wont work for it

As to how ppl read into it that it equals "not being able to download and play old legacy games" is beyond me


Modern games have dropped support for XP and Vista for most part so thats not even a factor.

Well, even the poorest person still wants entertainment. And say person buys one game on sale, that is considerably cheaper than an OS upgrade. Some games are cheaper than 99 cents. Even homeless people go to recreation areas to have fun or spend money, just cause they are homeless or poor it doesn't mean they suddenly can't ever relax and enjoy life. Just a different way to look at it. And games these days are pretty cheap, except the triple A titles of course.

I don't really have income problems though myself. But there was a time my family was pretty hard up. These days I just buy it if I want, and not much risk with refunds (though I try and not use it very much, don't like using the refund thing too often)

But if in fact just features don't work and the games can still be played then I dunno what this thread is about lol. I don't see a problem at all if people can keep playing games and download the ones they have. Maybe the OP didn't know or got told wrong info if that is in fact how its gonna be.

Except that Zetikla trolls as much as he can, because 1. it's not about modern games and 2. it won't work after I 2019: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1558-AFCM-4577 due to decapitation, and 3. it's not about PC upgrade costs, this is about keeping access (downloading, playing) to those games in their natural environment and on advertised systems (like windows xp in system requirements). With XP support gutted you won't be able to start them even on virtual machine, because there will be no client. Good will of people from steam guides or creators like the guy behind dgvoodoo2 is not an argument here, they are not steam staff. Without complex solution some games will go MIA in the future - with Windows 7 support removal and constant flow of Windows 10. But why shop should care what he is selling, right? And don't talk to me about developers, Steam removes access to XP/Vista, not them.

[76561198001062896]

nvm misread it, my bad

unlike some ppl, im willing to own up my mistakes and willing to admit when Im wrong

[Rastrelly]

I foresee some taaasty lawsuits for Steam :3

[WolfEisberg]

引用自 Rastrelly：

I foresee some taaasty lawsuits for Steam :3

That won't happen at all. It didn't happen when they dropped Windows 95-Millenium support, and it won't happen with this either. they will never be expected to support old OS's for life.

[Darren]

引用自 CZBGR Icepick：

引用自 Black Blade：

I don't get your point, can you point me to a game on Steam that cant run on Windows 10?

Since you asked, you could try to have googled that yourself. Not only that, but one of the places I googled took me to this list, and I dunno if it's been updated much recently, but it is relevant enough and I am finding matches of unplayable games running Windows 10 here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install-insiderplat_pc/windows-10-games-compatibility-list/a31335a8-730f-4ac9-8c19-7c8c3a664ced?auth=1

I've looked at the list 3 of the Not Playable games on it I have and they are very much playable and run straight out of the box with no setup required (Shadowgrounds, Shadowgrounds: Survivor and the Classic Star Wars Battlefront 2). The list also notes that:
- It's out of date
- Relates to the preview build of Windows 10 (improvements since then that have made it work on more older games haven't been retested)
- And concludes with the relatively few games not working aren't a reason not to upgrade to Windows 10 are your primary gaming machine as they are so few.

I also agree with Black Blade, you are claiming you don't want to upgrade because games won't work on Windows 10, but you can't list any specific game that doesn't actually work on Windows 10 to backup that concern. I know you are saying it's the principle that games might not work but without specific examples you are being concerned about something that isn't even a problem for you, and may never be a problem (do you even own a game that doesn't work with Windows 10).

I've known some that didn't but either the game was updated (Casino Inc for example got an update to be Windows 10 compatible), fan-made patches were created to cover the gap (technically also Casino Inc as the fan-made patch was turned into the official patch) or it was just a configuration issue.

The only games I have at the moment that don't work are the Star Wolves games and that has nothing to do with Windows 10, but just that my mouse can't do <300 DPI (and if it's faster than 300 DPI it doesn't operate well in that game). Oh wait I forgot Meridian New World also had some issues when I moved to Windows 10, for some reason it wouldn't work in full screen, but you could launch it windowed and maximise it to full screen and that would be fine.

[Jerry]

There might be a way to surpress updates through command line:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1762481957322556299/

If this works, it should be possible to keep a fully running, XP-able client indefinitely.

[RedLightning]

At least to me.. games work under XP currently.. and it is now up to the whim of Valve to say that they do not.

I personally do not give a owls pellet if the games work on 10 or not..

[Ogami]

引用自 RedLightning：

At least to me.. games work under XP currently.. and it is now up to the whim of Valve to say that they do not.

They dont? They say that their new client that will release at the end of the year will not work on XP or Vista. Thats it. Its their software and their right to do that.
Those OS lack the functions to make their new client work properly.
They dont drop XP support because they want to annoy you, they drop it because it WILL NOT WORK with the new Steam software.

[conjurerdragon]

引用自 Ogami：

引用自 RedLightning：

At least to me.. games work under XP currently.. and it is now up to the whim of Valve to say that they do not.

They dont? They say that their new client that will release at the end of the year will not work on XP or Vista. Thats it. Its their software and their right to do that.
Those OS lack the functions to make their new client work properly.
They dont drop XP support because they want to annoy you, they drop it because it WILL NOT WORK with the new Steam software.

And that is - in part - perfectly o.k.
If they want to add more features and more eyecandy to cater to the crowd that is fine for me - just make the changes or additions optional where possible,
e.g. just like it is already optional to Start Steam with Windows - or not, or to use the Steam Overlay - or not. The new look of the chat could be optional, it could even be optional to even start the chat at all. After all if I start Steam to play a singleplayer game I might not want to chat in that moment and that should be my choice. And not even a chat that is started without my wish in which I am then "invisible" or "offline" qualifies for that.
If I do not want to chat, then the chat should not start at all and take up my system resources.

And if Valve decides not to sell Windows XP/Vista games anymore starting 2019 because they are not able to provide an uptodate Steam Client that would run those games on those operating systems - even that is fine by me for NEW PURCHASES.

But the problem are those games that already have been sold and that right now are able to run perfectly despite the age of the operating system and despite the age of the games - and that will stop working on those systems due to Valves decision to no longer provide the means to use those games on the very same computersystems that they did run perfectly on the last years or even decade up to this moment.

Valve has several options that are less severe, e.g.
they could go the GOG route and provide their custormers with installers for those games that are already sold for those operating systems that are dropped from Steam. That would be a great way to emphasize their promise that games bought on Steam will not simply vanish even when Steam should run bancrupt.

or they could simply take the existing Steam Client without the new chat, stripped of the function to buy new games, with the warning that it receives no future updates starting 2019 and that anyone using it will be lacking the useless eyecandy and superfluous features of the then current Steam Client that of course is recommend to be used by them, label it "Legay Client" and enable people to run their already owned games on the system that they bought their games for.

or they could refund those games that they are, starting 2019, unable to provide a way for to run them on the system they are intended to run on.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Zetikla：

if someone seriously couldnt afford during 10 years from XP to Win 10, they may have more important priorities than pc gaming, just sayin

According to the Hardware survey
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Only a 0.23% of the Steam userbase is still using WinXP right now.
The majority of users are on W10 already, with a big bunch of users still clinging to W7 (Statistic boosted by the asian market mostly)

引用自 Ogami：

They dont drop XP support because they want to annoy you, they drop it because it WILL NOT WORK with the new Steam software.

The Steam client basically is a Chromium browser. Google has discontinued chromium support for Windows XP.
So it's either:
-Leave XP users with an unpatched & insecure client.
-Develop a client for a no longer supported OS.
-Close support for a no longer supported OS.

Since the first one is a liability and the second one is unviable business-wise the best option turns out to be the same one Google followed for Chromium.

[Seraphita]

And yet some desperate people cling to Windows XP, which is a dead OS. Time to switch soon.

[conjurerdragon]

引用自 Zero：

And yet some desperate people cling to Windows XP, which is a dead OS. Time to switch soon.

Windows XP and Windows Vista.
According to the attitude of Valve any OS is a dead OS once they decide to drop it so the decision would not be to switch the OS but Steam.

[Seraphita]

Um... No. Valve does exactly well to move ahead since everyone can easily acknowledge the non-existence of XP. Anybody who remain on that zombie OS needs to change soon and if they are so stubborn that they won't. (Don't even tell me that they can't), valve can't do anything...

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 conjurerdragon：

According to the attitude of Valve any OS is a dead OS once they decide to drop it.

Microsoft stopped mainstream support of WinXP on 2009. That's 9 years ago.
Even the extended support lifecycle for WinXP was stopped by Microsoft 4 years ago.

Win XP is not only dead, but long time buried. By the very people that created it. Yet Steam has supported it 4 more years after. Other software manufacturers would have dropped the support faster than a hot potato once MS dropped mainstream support.