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STEAM NO SUPPORT ON XP AND VISTA: BUT... Questions I have?
OK. So the news is that no more suport in Windows Xp and Vista.... BUT

I am still using WIN XP, and I have very good reasons for it (its my problem), but.... I have a lot fo questions:

-> recently the screenshot function (F12) stopped workign out of nowhere, and I was looking on the web, and everyone seemed to say, to use in settings, "Steam Beta Update"
As result, yesterday I was only introduced to the counter above on Steam winodw pointing how many days I can still use Steam.
-> now, for some reason, I was logged in my account, but I was not. Steam would login with my username and password,all correct, but I wa snot able to see my profile nor my provate stuff like screenshots.
-> turned out, I changed in settings, from "Steam Beta Update" to "NONE - opt out of all beta programs", and now I can access my account fully, and that counter disapeared.

My question is:
As I can afford to change out of nowhere of OS, even if Steam will not have suport on Win XP, will I still be able to play my games? no support, ok. But can I still play my games? I payed for them, and as much as some people might say "just update your OS" that is out of question for a lot of personal reasons. Because now I feel... I wasted money for nothing.

-> Is there a way to contact STEAM Support directly, like an e-mail?
because I need a solution regarding my screenshots. I have almost 8 500 screenshots, and due to a steam bug, it got deleted from my Hard-drive, luckily, fro some strange reason I woudl alwyas upload them on my cloud account. Going one by one picture..... is gonna take a some time to get it all back. I wanted to be able to get them all at once.
"Steamgrabber" option is a no-no, as I already tried it.

Please, would spome one be kindly enough to help me with these questions of mine?
Legutóbb szerkesztette: オリエ; 2018. jún. 14., 14:37
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Why do you think i failed to read, and is it a reason to insult? By those terms, Valve have no responsibility. So, is it okay for you, my rude friend? What if Valve will make Steam only available on MacOS? Then what?
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
Why do you think i failed to read, and is it a reason to insult? By those terms, Valve have no responsibility. So, is it okay for you, my rude friend? What if Valve will make Steam only available on MacOS? Then what?
But they wouldn't be that stupid.

It's not even a valid comparison anyways. Get your head out of your ass and use some common sense.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: shiel; 2018. jún. 21., 18:35
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
Why do you think i failed to read, and is it a reason to insult? By those terms, Valve have no responsibility. So, is it okay for you, my rude friend? What if Valve will make Steam only available on MacOS? Then what?

Then what?
My mind would be blown that Apple some how got themselves to make the Mac outsell gaming PCs.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: WolfEisberg; 2018. jún. 21., 18:37
So you all gonna run in stores to buy MacPC or lose hundreds of your games? That will be your "choice".
Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
Games from Steam that need Windows XP to work and don't work on newer systems that are claimed to be the main reason to keep using Windows XP even that so far this games did not seem to be shown here
Wasn't what I was saying.

I was saying that in general, it's not actually all true. I wasn't talking about Steam games. I'm saying the entire market itself, for XP which exists, doesn't mean that all those games in the past work on later systems. Some of the ones on Steam now had to have been patched up to work. I just explained that above. But I can't say the same for certain things I know of, some which aren't on Steam.

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
Except it's not going to be patched
Beside that Anti Virus, in the end, is a very low-level protection, it can help protect you from general stuff, but a virus set to attack something specific it may completely miss and pass on top of it, harming the system

And that is why the OS needs security updates to patch that up
When an OS leaves its support time that means no more patchs any hole in the system remain there to any "hacker" to use and break
AV systems are not meant to patch up holes themselves. They're meant to detect things which have already gotten in. No one cares about XP patching up. That's where the AV thing comes in (why do you think people have to use AVs anyway despite newer systems and their frequent patches?) They care about being able to use it. With an active AV system, it can hold. OS patches are irrelevant at this point, and people still use it. People have moved on from that argument and yet they still use XP.

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
I don't think you understand me or I did not understand you
You said "Guess what the lowest system OS requirement is. Yep, Win 2000"
That I think I now kind of understand, thing is again if it works on newer systems with every other game it works
That low system requirements means it was built for lower specs. Sometimes your CPU cores could be set too high. Sometimes your virtual memory could be too high. Sometimes not even the built-in compatibility settings might work. AdCap had been recently updated, and they also broke that current update that you have to rollback. None of the typical fixes people could think of worked on a newer system, despite the fact XP qualifies to run it (it also stopped working for XP, but that's another thing entirely).

Can you run a 16-bit program on a 64 bit system? Not without some kind of emulator. See, Microsoft did include some of those emulators or capabilities (Windows on Windows, or "WOW" as you might know it), but you should never make the presumption, that if you went to Game Stop and bought an old used game there for XP, it doesn't mean you are guaranteed it would run on a newer system, in case the workarounds don't work. It can help, but again, you don't actually have that guarantee.

Even I had one of my Sonic and Knuckles collection CD from way back when I had Windows 98. It can run on Win 7, but it wouldn't be playable until someone came up with a third party program to patch some of the fixes. Before that, not even bearable. The fact you can have such games on Steam doesn't mean all of them generally work on your new system, some of them like Omikron had to be fixed in some way to do so, and as I said before, it wouldn't be on Steam if it wasn't fixed (also, there are disclaimers on that as well). So the response about newer machines having backwards capabilities is a bit inaccurate when it's not exactly the case.

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
You said there are 5% of users using XP
Thing is there can be reasons then that are not relavent here for exsample, systems that are for spasfic work and have software that cant run anything but XP, then it may be need for them

But

Steam use itself is much much less than 5% and even that is going down
That was reply to your 5%
I said 5% of the market share uses XP. That means XP represents 5% of other OSs being marketed and used, not the number of users. This is not a Steam stat. This is probably worldwide because I was reading an online public article. That means XP isn't dead and gone, even though it has a small presence. It's just that it's still here.

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
So you can at least should be able to use offline mode if that is what you really want
At least till there will be an issue with it
Valve can maybe block updates for Windows XP users but they don't seem to want to do it, and honestly can't really say I don't understand why someone may not want to have an older system of things that may have its own holes that can be then entered to there servers behind unupdated
The point is, it's 2018, and somehow because people are still using it since Microsoft ended support circa 2014 with enough AV companies also protecting users with their AV programs, and other companies, like NordVPN protecting their landlines, it winds up that XP can still be used despite any holes remaining because there are still passive systems you can use to keep using XP.

This means, there's still a market for it, and what better way to have a sustainable business than with tech that could use maintaining? I mean, even for the pharmacy market, which is shady, there's still no cure for cancer, but plenty of pills to make for treating symptoms, and somehow they profit. If no one was still using XP, there's no point here, is there?

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
"So what if the UI and visuals are slightly different?"
Again the new UI is not just a visual look, its a new system under the engine as well and from what Valve said it seems like it will alos use feathers that exisit in Windows 7 and 10 that are not supported in XP
No one cares about visuals. What matters is functionality. If the button isn't broken, it should still work. Even if it means you manage to reskin everything. But Steam isn't basically going the way of GameSpy. Valve isn't dropping the same service even if it means changing access points. But computers don't exactly change all that much once you are familiar with what they do. If the button breaks, there could be some way to fix that, same way with some of the old games.

Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
So ya Valve can maybe waste time working on a tiny base of users system keeping a developer that know it that will keep working on it
But don't seem like there too intrested to do that
And leaving that gift as long as it connects online to there servers can be an issue for them if they pick to change secirty or what not, and then may need to update it and so on that again means someone needs to know the code
No one likes working on Lagacy code for a reason
AV companies have no issues supporting XP, so your argument is generally invalid. It's not gonna take that much time to implement. Like I said, if you literally could use a client that is a snapshot of the current version that doesn't upgrade to the one for newer systems, it should still work if allowed to work. That is all. That should include server browser and Steam Cloud connectivity, which some, if not most, games with such requirements depend on - which Valve does still sell through Steam.


Black Blade eredeti hozzászólása:
And again why to keep a XP version, when over all don't seem like there is much to anything that needs XP to run from Steam, making it for Steam kind of pointless to keep for some pepole that just want to have a second system like that to play games they can just play on the newer systems just as much
Again, there are still games which need Steam to run if you can still run XP on it. That may also mean you need to be "always online", and that it might use Steam Cloud. The basic things, besides the server browser feature, whcih requires the Client to be run and the game connected through Steam. Not all games can be run offline or without dependency of the client. Again, not without some other alternative means to connect to some gateway and maybe remote systems in place of the client - which AFAIK we don't univerally have yet. I might be wrong, but I would love to be consoled if it exists.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CZBGR Icepick; 2018. jún. 21., 18:47
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
So you all gonna run in stores to buy MacPC or lose hundreds of your games? That will be your "choice".
Again, you realize this isn't a valid comparison right? Most games don't even work on MACOS in the first place.
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
Why do you think i failed to read, and is it a reason to insult? By those terms, Valve have no responsibility. So, is it okay for you, my rude friend? What if Valve will make Steam only available on MacOS? Then what?
Depends, how many times everyone had to repeat themselves?

If they make it only for MacOS, then Valve can't act surprise how they'll lose majority of users, and sales, and Devs/Pubs getting upset with them, causing them to lose deals as well for the future. Plus as I said in the past with someone else, I can dualboot using MacOS, and do the work around to install onto the OS I want, not like they can stop you from doing so. Also the very fact that would be the most stupidest business decision that can cause the down fall of the company, and will have to follow up what they promise in the past how to distribute the games to everyone, whenever they go under.

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:
Then what?
My mind would be blown that Apple some how got themselves to make Macs outsell gaming PCs.
I be mind blown if Apple can even make a affordable Macs that matches, or comes close to gaming PC's, but clearly will never happen since they expect people to drop $2k used ~ 10k brand new.
It is a valid comparison. Apple may buy Steam in theory to force selling their computers.
Go see THQ's story, if you don't belive in stupid business decisions.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Kay; 2018. jún. 21., 18:50
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
So you all gonna run in stores to buy MacPC or lose hundreds of your games? That will be your "choice".

Well I already made a choice on buying games from GoG.com for games that I feel I will want to play for many years to come. I already made the choice on buying some games on Steam knowing full well that one day I might lose access to those games because of the DRM and/or not having installers for the games.

But yes, if Apple some how made the Macs to become the #1 gaming machines for gaming support, where they are 95% of the market of gaming, then yes I'll be having a gaming Mac.
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
It is a valid comparison. Apple may buy Steam in theory to force selling their computers.
Apple has no reason to buy a platform if they have their own platform already.
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
It is a valid comparison. Apple may buy Steam in theory to force selling their computers.
No. It's not. Your main argument is that cutting XP support will prevent you from playing your games. That is wrong. Switching to macos would absolutely prevent you from playing your games.
Windows 7 will be next. And it is most popular on Steam.
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
Windows 7 will be next. And it is most popular on Steam.
So be it, still doesn't changed what was done in the past, all the way up to now, and going to do the same in the future. People cry about Windows 98/ME ended in 2007, they got over it, and moved on, same thing happen to Windows 2000 in 2010, people cry, and got over it, now it's Windows XP/Vista, people crying now, and soon move on, and forget like usual.
Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
It is a valid comparison. Apple may buy Steam in theory to force selling their computers.

It would be a business transaction that would make absolutely no sense for Apple, unless their PCs became 95% of the gaming market. We are talking about them wanting to completely change focus and actually wanting to support gaming, which is something they never actually done before and no indication that gaming is anything they care about at all.
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Kay eredeti hozzászólása:
It is amazing how you defend your rights to have no rights in digital stores.
there is no valid reason to be running XP at this point.. ...
My reason: TIME

Of the 2,200 games in my Steam Library, 66% were released between 1998-2008.

I have 4 "gaming " pcs: two 8.1 + two XP Pro. Prior to 17-06, when Steam stopped me from downloading to my XP pcs (Content Servers Unreachable), I had two options for XP-era games:

1) Win 8.1 - Search for and dwnld patches and/or mods, install them and hope for the best.
2) Win XP - Launch and Play.

Time is non-refundable.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: JackBurton; 2018. jún. 21., 18:56
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