Has Valve Forgotten What PC Gaming is About?

[The Brown Hornet]

I think we all can agree that Valve in it's early days seemed to have a good grasp on what PC gaming was all about...creating great PC games! Isn't that what Half Life, L4D, TF, DOTA, CS series were...great games? Yet for some reason it all stopped at 2. For years gamers have asked a question, a question that has now become a meme, can Valve count to 3? Can Valve, a company that has completely won over the PC gaming community give it's subscribers what they actually want, new and innovative in-house developed games and software?

Instead Valve has focused on the opposite of PC gaming and strayed away from the main method by which PC gamers interact with software, mouse and keyboard. Valve in it's ambitions has essentially become console oriented. In the last decade nearly every innovation from Valve has been geared towards drawing us away from our PC and into the living room. Though what we desire are innovative software titles what Valve introduces instead are Steam Machines, tiny PC's disguised as consoles designed to compete with the likes of Xbox and PlayStation for set top attention.

To go along with the console oriented steam machine Valve introduces the Steam Controller, a Frankenstein-like hybrid of ideas and control concepts that some gamers ultimately managed to utilize and comprehend. What Valve didn't stop to ask is does Steam subscribers really want to play PC games with their thumbs? Valve seems to think so because their most recent innovation is again, not any great gaming software but yet another attempt to "console-ify" PC gaming with the introduction of Steam Deck. This time it's eyes are set on Nintendo Switch whose games are actually designed to be played with thumbs!

Lastly Valve did create Half Life Alex but again that's aimed at competing with the console friendly VR market. So it's apparent the mouse and keyboard player, those who originally made Valve and Steam what it is are no longer the target audience. If they were there would be more Valve developed titles for mouse and keyboard rather than another thumb controlled hardware device.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por The Brown Hornet:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

All of his threads are like that. He just rambles on with really no point.

It's actually you that I don't understand, my initial response to you was I agree, we presented some of the same points. Somewhere youe lost site of the points of agreement in order to generate a false argument.

No I agree with you on some points. Look at Reboot's latest post. That is exactly your way of thinking and it is very confusing and you need to stop if you want people to take you seriously.

EDIT:

I'm starting to think his threads are just an elaborate hoax farm Steam points.. the jester specifically.

[The Brown Hornet]

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

Publicado originalmente por The Brown Hornet:

Yes, Stream it, agreed... the problem is no current service supports your entire Steam library (such as all the Indie games that are perfect for handheld devices). Only one who can make that happen is Valve, right?

So you're complaining about Valve leaving their PC roots, yet you want them to build a console-like ecosystem serving all your gaming needs from one hand. Just like on consoles. While you complain about Valve forgetting their PC roots.

Yup, you are high. Or maybe not, I know I don't contradict myself that openly when I'm stoned.

I'm saying the innovative tech of this day is cloud streaming. Downloading and installing...especially games these days, some more than a 100 gigs does not seem ideal for a low storage handheld mobile device.

Back in the day, games were only 5-6 gigs, Deck would of been amazing 5-10 years ago.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Back in the day we didn't have gigabit internet either...and I have far more games than you do and I've yet to see one that is 100 gigs.

[ReBoot]

Publicado originalmente por The Brown Hornet:

I'm saying the innovative tech of this day

So this is what this is about, you don't even care whether this tech is actually practical, you just want the new hot shizz.

That said, the Deck is a PC, you can use streaming services on it. Because that's what PC gaming is all about, you benefiting from a vast array of options. Including running your own game streaming cloud. Which you could totally do with the Deck but why should you enjoy PC gaming when trash-talking is more fun, amirite?

You're a pizza knife dude. All edge and no point.

[The Brown Hornet]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Back in the day we didn't have gigabit internet either...and I have far more games than you do and I've yet to see one that is 100 gigs.

I've heard they exist (Red Dead 2 I believe) and more coming in the future

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por The Brown Hornet:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Back in the day we didn't have gigabit internet either...and I have far more games than you do and I've yet to see one that is 100 gigs.

I've heard they exist (Red Dead 2 I believe) and more coming in the future

Okay I'll give you that because I just checked on Google and there is about 15 games with huge installs. What you're not understanding is you're trying to speak for the entire PC community just by yourself. Do you know how many hard drives my PC has? 3. So, what may be a huge install to you or even to me may not be to others. There's a guy on my friends list right now who has tons of storage, I'm talking terabytes upon terabytes.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I just checked his profile, according to his hardware list, just one of his hard drives is 10TB and another is 2TB and then he has a 250 GB drive.

[The Brown Hornet]

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

Publicado originalmente por The Brown Hornet:

I'm saying the innovative tech of this day

So this is what this is about, you don't even care whether this tech is actually practical, you just want the new hot shizz.

That said, the Deck is a PC, you can use streaming services on it. Because that's what PC gaming is all about, you benefiting from a vast array of options. Including running your own game streaming cloud. Which you could totally do with the Deck but why should you enjoy PC gaming when trash-talking is more fun, amirite?

You're a pizza knife dude. All edge and no point.

I've made a bunch of points, here's two: Deck is a PC yet I can't play my entire Steam library on it (compatibility problems) and I can't stream my entire Steam library on it (the service doesn't exist).

With that said, Deck is cool, especially the fact you can put your emulators, other game launchers, etc...on it. If Steam offered me one I'd certainly take it. I'm not actually hating on the Deck, I agree that because it's a PC it's perfect for streaming but that's the one service Valve doesn't offer! If Valve had it's own cloud streaming app would we even need the Deck? We could use whatever handheld we want, play my Steam games on Vita or Switch or one of those cheap knockoff devices from China!

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Please stop bringing up the fact that you cannot play every game on the Steam Deck. Take that out of your ill thought out argument, please. Why? Because you have been told it is not Valves' responsibility to make every game compliant.

That falls on the developers or publishers of the game that is not supported. Seriously. How many times do you need to be told this or what's worse how do you not realize it to begin with? If you don't believe me all you have to do is go over to the Steamworks documentation and it specifically states that developers are responsible for updating their own games.

Seriously, why do you keep making these topics when you clearly have no idea how what you're trying to discuss even works? I don't get it. One of the prerequisites of trying to discuss something is actually knowing something about what you're trying to discuss.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/updates

There you go.

[The Brown Hornet]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Please stop bringing up the fact that you cannot play every game on the Steam Deck. Take that out of your ill thought out argument, please. Why? Because you have been told it is not Valves' responsibility to make every game compliant.

That falls on the developers or publishers of the game that is not supported. Seriously. How many times do you need to be told this or what's worse how do you not realize it to begin with? If you don't believe me all you have to do is go over to the Steamworks documentation and it specifically states that developers are responsible for updating their own games.

Ok that's fine, it's on the Devs, make your games work but my actual argument, which is not aimed at any of you but to Valve itself..... Where is the Cloud Streaming Service where is the App? Steam Link was an early prototype tied to our own PC now take it to the next level and setup cloud service centers with the RTX and all that stuff. It should be Valve providing that not Nvidia am I right? By the way, great job Nvidia, GeForce Now is brilliant! I didn't use it at first but I've seen the light!

Instead of trying to take on Nintendo Switch take on Nvidia

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

lol ..again barking up the wrong tree. Are you actually going to complain now that you can't play your Steam games on a Switch? Guess who you should be griping at now? Nintendo, not Valve and good luck with that because Nintendo is not going to let the Switch be that cross-compatible because if they did they wouldn't sell as many units.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You're asking questions that have already been answered. Go reread through the pages. Why does Valve not have a cloud streaming service? I answered you. Mostly because it's still in its infancy and it ain't cheap.

[Γαῖα]

Times change, people change and so does business. The gaming industry is going through a tight patch regarding the next level. Lets face it that despite liking playing, its all really still just another day on the same farm.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Another point that I made that you did not address, do you really want to game in 8 hour sessions only? I don't and I bet the vast majority of other Steam users don't want to either. This stuff ain't free and it ain't cheap and that is what you're not grasping. Do you have any idea how expensive Nvidias service would be if it was 24/7 access?

[ReBoot]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You're asking questions that have already been answered. Go reread through the pages. Why does Valve not have a cloud streaming service? I answered you. Mostly because it's still in its infancy and it ain't cheap.

... and you can run it yourself which "only" requires a gaming PC which a Steam user rather likely has.