Has Valve Forgotten What PC Gaming is About?

[The Brown Hornet]

I think we all can agree that Valve in it's early days seemed to have a good grasp on what PC gaming was all about...creating great PC games! Isn't that what Half Life, L4D, TF, DOTA, CS series were...great games? Yet for some reason it all stopped at 2. For years gamers have asked a question, a question that has now become a meme, can Valve count to 3? Can Valve, a company that has completely won over the PC gaming community give it's subscribers what they actually want, new and innovative in-house developed games and software?

Instead Valve has focused on the opposite of PC gaming and strayed away from the main method by which PC gamers interact with software, mouse and keyboard. Valve in it's ambitions has essentially become console oriented. In the last decade nearly every innovation from Valve has been geared towards drawing us away from our PC and into the living room. Though what we desire are innovative software titles what Valve introduces instead are Steam Machines, tiny PC's disguised as consoles designed to compete with the likes of Xbox and PlayStation for set top attention.

To go along with the console oriented steam machine Valve introduces the Steam Controller, a Frankenstein-like hybrid of ideas and control concepts that some gamers ultimately managed to utilize and comprehend. What Valve didn't stop to ask is does Steam subscribers really want to play PC games with their thumbs? Valve seems to think so because their most recent innovation is again, not any great gaming software but yet another attempt to "console-ify" PC gaming with the introduction of Steam Deck. This time it's eyes are set on Nintendo Switch whose games are actually designed to be played with thumbs!

Lastly Valve did create Half Life Alex but again that's aimed at competing with the console friendly VR market. So it's apparent the mouse and keyboard player, those who originally made Valve and Steam what it is are no longer the target audience. If they were there would be more Valve developed titles for mouse and keyboard rather than another thumb controlled hardware device.

[ReBoot]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

....Or something like Android, something more than just Steam OS, compatible with Google means compatibile with many accounts and products we already use online

The Steam Deck is a PC. As such, you can use your Google accounts & products on the Deck just fine. Because you can do this stuff on PCs which Steam Deck is.

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

In terms of "mobile" gaming isn't a downloading and installation requirement a drawback?

How's that a drawback? Downloading/installing PC games on PCs to play those PC games on our PCs is pretty common for PCs which the Steam Deck is.
That said, if you want to use streaming services on your Deck, just do it. It's a PC, you can use streaming services available on PCs which is all of them. Hell, there's even a tutorial from Microsoft to get XCloud set up, including a neat cover image!

[The Brown Hornet]

Big Bridge.mp4님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

That's not mobile streaming from the cloud, that's relegated to your nearby PC

What do you think the cloud is? Some amorphous data god? Clouds still use hardware. Your PC is similar hardware. Your PC thus becomes your own personal cloud when utilizing steam link.

I'm pretty sure if I stream a game on GeForce Now I don't need to download it, install it, nor do I need a GPU, all I need to do is own the game which we already do on Steam. So instead of streaming my game from GeForce why can't I do it from Steam?

The answer: The cloud is too open for Valve, Valve prefers we stay locked into our DRM accounts which prevents running different games on multiple devices simultaneously.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

Why would Android compatibility be better? You do realize that Google Stadia is not the great thing that Google thought it would be, right? Mobile gaming is terrible in my opinion, whether it's on a handheld system or on a phone. It's something to kill 30 minutes or an hour when you have nothing else to do or you're waiting on a flight. It's not something to be taken seriously. Even it's it's heyday and you're talking to someone who had a Sega Nomad and that thing was awesome, it was a handheld Sega Genesis. However, even it had its downside. The thing went through batteries like I go through Dr. Pepper.

....Or something like Android, something more than just Steam OS, compatible with Google means compatibile with many accounts and products we already use online. In terms of "mobile" gaming isn't a downloading and installation requirement a drawback?

Btw, I'm not arguing against mobile gaming I'm just suggesting that Valve should put more effort in streaming rather than constantly shrinking PC's into tiny console packages. Let's be real, how's many additional PC's do we need?

Again, streaming in regards to gaming is not all it's cracked up to be. Don't believe me? Go look at it Nvidia's GeForce Now tiers. Specifically the RTX 3080.

It sounds awesome and it probably is BUT you only get an 8-hour session AND you have to have fantastic and I mean FANTASTIC internet.

Your question is very easily answered, why is Valve not looking at streaming gaming? Most likely because it's still in its infancy and it ain't cheap.

[The Brown Hornet]

ReBoot님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

....Or something like Android, something more than just Steam OS, compatible with Google means compatibile with many accounts and products we already use online

The Steam Deck is a PC. As such, you can use your Google accounts & products on the Deck just fine. Because you can do this stuff on PCs which Steam Deck is.

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

In terms of "mobile" gaming isn't a downloading and installation requirement a drawback?

How's that a drawback? Downloading/installing PC games on PCs to play those PC games on our PCs is pretty common for PCs which the Steam Deck is.
That said, if you want to use streaming services on your Deck, just do it. It's a PC, you can use streaming services available on PCs which is all of them. Hell, there's even a tutorial from Microsoft to get XCloud set up, including a neat cover image!

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

ReBoot님이 먼저 게시:

The Steam Deck is a PC. As such, you can use your Google accounts & products on the Deck just fine. Because you can do this stuff on PCs which Steam Deck is.
How's that a drawback? Downloading/installing PC games on PCs to play those PC games on our PCs is pretty common for PCs which the Steam Deck is.
That said, if you want to use streaming services on your Deck, just do it. It's a PC, you can use streaming services available on PCs which is all of them. Hell, there's even a tutorial from Microsoft to get XCloud set up, including a neat cover image!

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

LOL.. data limits? You do realize the whether it is cloud-based or not someone has to pay for that data? I really don't think you understand how all of this works and you made a topic complaining about it.

[ReBoot]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

THEN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ STREAM IT! The Steam Deck is a PC and just like with any PC, you can use streaming services.

You're missing the point of what PC gaming actually is, namely having your options and making your choice what options to take. You want Valve to establish a console-like ecosystem with everything served from the very same hand (GabeN's) instead of using any of streaming services available for PCs you could use on the Deck because it's a PC.

Al this while claiming the Deck is a departure from Valve's PC roots. While you, simultaneously, refuse to treat the Deck as a PC.

Are you high, or just a pizza knife with all-edge and no point?

[The Brown Hornet]

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

LOL.. data limits? You do realize the whether it is cloud-based or not someone has to pay for that data? I really don't think you understand how all of this works and you made a topic complaining about it.

I'm assuming when on the go you will have your Deck connected via mobile hotspot, it's a PC right, Steam needs to be connected tothe Internet or do you intend to play in offline mode, which sucks?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

All of his threads are like that. He just rambles on with really no point.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

LOL.. data limits? You do realize the whether it is cloud-based or not someone has to pay for that data? I really don't think you understand how all of this works and you made a topic complaining about it.

I'm assuming when on the go you will have your Deck connected via mobile hotspot, it's a PC right, Steam needs to be connected tothe Internet or do you intend to play in offline mode, which sucks?

I'll refer you to Reboot's post above because you're doing exactly what he's describing. Like seriously, holy crap, make up your mind..

[The Brown Hornet]

ReBoot님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

THEN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ STREAM IT! The Steam Deck is a PC and just like with any PC, you can use streaming services.

You're missing the point of what PC gaming actually is, namely having your options and making your choice what options to take. You want Valve to establish a console-like ecosystem with everything served from the very same hand (GabeN's) instead of using any of streaming services available for PCs you could use on the Deck because it's a PC.

Al this while claiming the Deck is a departure from Valve's PC roots. While you, simultaneously, refuse to treat the Deck as a PC.

Are you high, or just a pizza knife with all-edge and no point?

Yes, Stream it, agreed... the problem is no current service supports your entire Steam library (such as all the Indie games that are perfect for handheld devices). Only one who can make that happen is Valve, right?

[Mad Scientist]

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

The idea of mobile gaming is plug and play, not wait for 60 gig downloads that will kill your mobile data limits.

LOL.. data limits? You do realize the whether it is cloud-based or not someone has to pay for that data? I really don't think you understand how all of this works and you made a topic complaining about it.

It's extremely clear they don't understand a very large amount of things, especially in regard to business & variety. Let alone that PC gaming can be on laptops and handhelds, especially given how friendly the Steam Deck is toward such.

Honestly, the op here just seems to want to complain about the same things - repeatedly - despite not being the target demographic.

[ReBoot]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, Stream it, agreed... the problem is no current service supports your entire Steam library (such as all the Indie games that are perfect for handheld devices). Only one who can make that happen is Valve, right?

So you're complaining about Valve leaving their PC roots, yet you want them to build a console-like ecosystem serving all your gaming needs from one hand. Just like on consoles. While you complain about Valve forgetting their PC roots.

Yup, you are high. Or maybe not, I know I don't contradict myself that openly when I'm stoned.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

ReBoot님이 먼저 게시:

THEN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ STREAM IT! The Steam Deck is a PC and just like with any PC, you can use streaming services.

You're missing the point of what PC gaming actually is, namely having your options and making your choice what options to take. You want Valve to establish a console-like ecosystem with everything served from the very same hand (GabeN's) instead of using any of streaming services available for PCs you could use on the Deck because it's a PC.

Al this while claiming the Deck is a departure from Valve's PC roots. While you, simultaneously, refuse to treat the Deck as a PC.

Are you high, or just a pizza knife with all-edge and no point?

Yes, Stream it, agreed... the problem is no current service supports your entire Steam library (such as all the Indie games that are perfect for handheld devices). Only one who can make that happen is Valve, right?

Guess what Hoss? If you're meaning that the Steam Deck does not support all games, guess who you should be talking to? Not Valve, but the developers of those games.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

ReBoot님이 먼저 게시:

The Brown Hornet님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, Stream it, agreed... the problem is no current service supports your entire Steam library (such as all the Indie games that are perfect for handheld devices). Only one who can make that happen is Valve, right?

So you're complaining about Valve leaving their PC roots, yet you want them to build a console-like ecosystem serving all your gaming needs from one hand. Just like on consoles. While you complain about Valve forgetting their PC roots.

Yup, you are high.

His topics are like an endless merry-go-round which is what usually gets them locked because he can't stay on one topic. Then after the thread is locked he continues being off topic in one of his other not locked threads. You think he would have learned by now, that this is not a good strategy.

[The Brown Hornet]

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

All of his threads are like that. He just rambles on with really no point.

It's actually you that I don't understand, my initial response to you was I agree, we presented some of the same points. Somewhere youe lost site of the points of agreement in order to generate a false argument.