This platform is becoming the Craigslist of games

[shinpachi]

I'm not sure what the criteria for getting a game on here is, but whatever they are, they're too lenient. It's difficult to find what games I should actually be looking forward to because the new and upcoming games section have crap like "cup in ball 2" and the like clogging it up. Valve needs to start enforcing a higher quality requirement. Games that can be thrown together in less than a week should not be allowed on here.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

Valve did do quality control for many years from 2005 to 2012 where only ~500 games or less were being added to Steam each year.

Ragdoll Kungfu was the first non Valve game to appear on STea. Tell me again about quality control.

I think you might be confusing a slow initial uptyake and review process with quality control. Keep in mind the number of people and studios making games also increased over that time period and is still increasing.

then they went with Greenlight to allow more games on (~1500-3000 games per year), and then went to Steam Direct where they completely removed any quality control and now get nearly 10k games per year.

Greenlight was never quality control. FOr starters it was only for new dev/pubs. Once you had a few games under your belt you didn't need to go through greenlight. All you had to do was partner with another opub and you could skip greenlight and there were some publishers that pretty much existed fior that sole purpose.

There was never any quality control, because quality is subjective and Valve realized that. There is no game that doesn't have some positive feedback, and no game that doesn't have some negative feedback.

WHat is happening is that people are having a hard time learning how top deal with choice. They've been used to closed eco systems where they can simply just go with whatever their fave magazine tells them is good.

But now... now that's not the case. They have to think, and use their brains.

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Are we talking quality control? Or taste specifics? Because most people who complain about "quality" on this forum are actually more upset that the released games don't match their taste for one reason or another.

Quality control.

Trfanslation. Taste specifics.

People who who are actually complain about taste specifics tend to couch their language in a manner that makes it look like the problem is external not internal. In short. They are convinced that the provblem is a lack of quality and not that they have a fairly narrow interest range (which is not a bad thing).

As Troma, New Moon, and SYFY proved. The only quality a movie needs to have..is that it is entertaining.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Wolf:

I remember the Steam Greenlight, that was the last time before Steam become a pile of trash games (well, not all, but there are a lot of crap games on the store).

This game came through Greenlight:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/331200/Grass_Simulator/
Tell me again how great greenlight was.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

Valve did do quality control for many years from 2005 to 2012 where only ~500 games or less were being added to Steam each year

Quality control you say? This was the very first third party game added to the store back in 2005
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1002
Maybe you're looking at the past with some rose tinted glases.

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

For me I find these buried games because something like a reddit post, a twitter post, or some forum post for the various forums I use just so happen to mention the game, I then go find it on Steam only to see that it's several months to 1+ years old with no reviews or not enough reviews to get a steam review rating.

That's the thing with niche games. It has little to do with being buried.

Originally posted by Walach:

Maybe we can have a yearly vote for who gets to decide what can be sold on Steam?
I see NO problems in that solution, perfect in any and every way! ;P

Ironically Greenlight got something good out of it. It was the most glaring, loud and undeniable proof of something people who work at sales know pretty well.

Wallets speak louder than words.

Turned out that people saying they'd buy game X if it was in Steam then told a different tale with their wallets once the game was in.

And that's why now we have Steam Direct. To have wallets speak, not words.

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

Quality control.

No such thing for entertainment products.

[Pscht]

Developers/publishers do have QA (quality assurance) departments. But they are only there to make sure the game works as intended. If the intention is crap and/or just not fun, that's not their fault.

[Halo]

Well the Steam forums are the Groundhog Day of Internet forums.

There are only about 6 topics and all of them are rotated on a daily basis, thoughout the day, weeks, months and years.

They are also similar to a very bad daytime soap opera - being that no matter how long you are away or how little time you spend here it takes minutes to get back up to speed on the posts as there isn't anything you haven't already seen.

If there was a 'search before you post and you can't post a topic again rule' the only thing that would be on here is tumble weed.

The terrible thing is that if you go back maybe 6 pages at most you can find the duplicates of the same threads posted just days previously.

And well done for posting 'most of the games on Steam are shovelware' thread.

[Pscht]

Originally posted by Halo:

Well the Steam forums are the Groundhog Day of Internet forums.

For the regulars. For thousands of people it's their first, and often last, day here because they don't care about any of it.

[kitt]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by grovercleavland0:

Valve did do quality control for many years from 2005 to 2012 where only ~500 games or less were being added to Steam each year

Quality control you say? This was the very first third party game added to the store back in 2005
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1002
Maybe you're looking at the past with some rose tinted glases.

quality control =/= games you dont like..