Denuvo locked people out of their games today

[CheeseBoar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/denuvo-servers-potentially-down-having-issues-causing-issues-for-games.511281/

This isn't even the first time that this has happened. I don't care if it lasts three hours or three minutes, if a server can lock you out of your legitimate purchase, then a game shouldn't be supported.

[Yzal]

...and this is one of the reasons why i don't buy games with denuvo or anything like that.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Oh looks like i wandered onto to someone's blog again

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 Damp Wizard Sleeve：

Oh looks like i wandered onto to someone's blog again

That and lol, resetera. That site needs to die already.

Server outages, ie temporary issue, does not equate to locking people out of their games. It's temporary. But a great reason to not get games with that involved.

[secuda]

We still had worse DRM`s in the past.

[Fear dot Com]

Thankfully a lot of my favorite games have ditched it a long time ago...but yeah, that's BS a server not even related to the actual game can render it unplayable.

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 Body #19：

Thankfully a lot of my favorite games have ditched it a long time ago...but yeah, that's BS a server not even related to the actual game can render it unplayable.

Happy to hear more are ditching it. I didn't buy a game because of that, only to find out they removed it when bringing it to a bundle site.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

This is why I'm never fan of DRM such as denuvo that need to phone home in order to play the game.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 Miss Ann Thrope：

It would be nice if publishers removed Denuvo after a game's first year. There really isn't any good reason to keep it implemented for longer than that.

Sometime it just them being lazy not wanting to remove it, they forgot all about it, or want to leave it in their game forever.

[Paratech2008]

It took Sega forever to remove it from Sonic Mania. They even delayed the release of the game 2 weeks just to add it.

[JellyPuff]

引用自 ReBoot：

The problem with Denuvo is it's criticism. I am serious. I remember reading about Denuvo killing SSDs (which never happened) and, case in point, that Denuvo makes games unplayable offline.

Denuvo want to re-authorize the game after some period of time or under the right conditions, like a hardware change. If this fails, you cannot play the game. That means, if Denuvo servers are down, most players will not immediately be affected.

That also means, if Denuvo ever kicks the bucket, games still using it will become unplayable eventually.

Or devs can just botch the implementation entirely. Prior to patching out Denuvo, Sonic Mania would try to re-authorize itself everytime on launch, effectively making it always online.

SSD wear is a myth though. Performance impacts are more debatable and there some suspect examples, like RiME. People were quick to point out how Denuvo causes performance drops, when people cracked RE:VII and it ended up running much better. However, this was likely due to a botched implementation of another in-house anti-piracy measure made by CAPCOM and not related to Denuvo.

I can't blame people for immediately putting the blame on DRM, though, since it never once was any benefit to the end-user or the publishers even. Good luck getting your older SecuROM or Starforce secured games to work today without a crack.

Best case, DRM just exists and does nothing, worst case, people can't play their games.

Another little tidbit: The new Alder-Lake CPU's by Intel have compatibility problems with games, or more specifically, Denuvo. And that's not coming from me or some angry gamer. It comes from Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000088261/processors.html

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 JellyPuff：

Another little tidbit: The new Alder-Lake CPU's by Intel have compatibility problems with games, or more specifically, Denuvo. And that's not coming from me or some angry gamer. It comes from Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000088261/processors.html

That's glorious and I hope intentional just to get rid of Denuvo, lol.

[JellyPuff]

引用自 ReBoot：

引用自 JellyPuff：

Denuvo want to re-authorize the game after some period of time or under the right conditions, like a hardware change. If this fails, you cannot play the game. That means, if Denuvo servers are down, most players will not immediately be affected.

I know. My point is, early reports of Denuvo games being unplayable the moment your internet is out didn't really help the conversation.

So basically like all "Gamer™"-controversies. Company does a bad, there's a valuable discussion to be had, but instead poo is being thrown around in random directions with the result being nothing of substance and nothing really changes either or things get worse. I'm beginning to see your point.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 ReBoot：

The problem with Denuvo is it's criticism.

I'm under the impression there's two groups of people (Cheat makers and piracy groups) that discovered the power of social sites and have resorted to FUD as a crutch to overcome technical limitations.

TLDR: It's easier to spread the FUD this or that DRM/Anticheat is 'malware'/going to burn your GPU/toast your HDD to make a scene and get devs to change or remove it than developing better cheats/hacks.

引用自 Future-Proof：

This isn't even the first time that this has happened. I don't care if it lasts three hours or three minutes, if a server can lock you out of your legitimate purchase, then a game shouldn't be supported.

So, basically Steam?

[JellyPuff]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

TLDR: It's easier to spread the FUD this or that DRM/Anticheat is 'malware'/going to burn your GPU/toast your HDD to make a scene and get devs to change or remove it than developing better cheats/hacks.

And less profitable. The stronger the security, the more hackers can charge for a hack. A good Anti-Cheat is a goldmine for them, since they can keep charging again for new hacks if vulnerabilities get patched.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

So, basically Steam?

Yeah, which makes you wonder why there aren't more people complaining about other DRM in general, rather than fixating on a specific one. They're all potential points of failure.

[CheeseBoar]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Future-Proof：

This isn't even the first time that this has happened. I don't care if it lasts three hours or three minutes, if a server can lock you out of your legitimate purchase, then a game shouldn't be supported.

So, basically Steam?

Steam games aren't tied to servers. If you have your games downloaded, they can be moved to any other machines along with the Steam client itself in Offline Mode, and everything will work without having to revalidate anything online. Third-party DRM like Denuvo comes in and turns a game into a glorified rental.