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Hey I do owe you a better explanation. After responding to MR Gentle Bots slanderous accusations of having threatened to extort valve, I read all the way back to make sure I cross my I's and dotted my T's, but I did not edit anything. Anyway I was specifically referencing how they mention that they can not legally exclude everything and as they put it "in certain states"
I realize that is what you were referencing now. To give that better explanation that entire first paragraph is legal BS. There are several Federal laws that prevent 90% (number out of my butt to explain most of it) of what they said.
Think of it this way. If everyone agreed to that and it was legally binding above federal law, they could use your computer to hack other systems and then say you are the one who did it. Or for the product side they would be violating all sorts of consumer protection laws if they didn't have their refund policy etc.
It wasn't my intention to be short with you as I was just crunched for time then.
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Well lots of people make these sort of claims, so imagine our skepticism.
Not to mention all your comments combined kinda smell like weapons grade bolognium. I mean you're pleading and begging in one hand over cellular data overages. But on the other hand you present a front where you should be easily be able to pay the bill and recover damages from Valve. And according to you, you already know the outcomes of all the scenarios. Your argument is that it's open and shut, you win. So... what's the problem? Was your sole ignorance in believing Steam support would swoop into the topic and fix it for you?
Because I'm more inclined to believe the picture you presented initially, rather than the linguistic Photoshop you're attempting to pass now. Hence my skepticism.
The only way you're going to convince most of us of any of your claims is with some results. Your powers of persuasion aren't up to the task. Good luck on your civil suit.
Untrue, but a court would be able to determine that for you.
Thanks for you reply. I did go through and read what I wrote and everything I wrote is accurate. the second place you quoted me on is not what I am claiming to chase. I actively and multiple times mention that is not my goal. I'm sorry if I confused you and others on that.
The explanation I give is simply how you can handle things when companies try to screw you over and I outlined very clearly to someone why I spent the time on how to handle these things. THE ONLY REASON why I even responded with the heavy option as an option is because MULTIPLE people said steam wasn't going to help me and I may as well go *@$) myself. I hope this isn't the real feeling all these steam users have against steam because although there is bureaucratic sludge they do seem to be actively trying to get to a resolution with me.
I hope what I'm saying is true, otherwise the law firm I'm dealing with going over all these legal things for my business with is leading me astray. Is there any links or resources you could point me too that would explain this better to me? With out doxing yourself could you give me some explanation of legal credentials if you are going off memory? I would like to correct myself if I'm wrong.
Also completely false
They're not straw mans, and I'm not the one threatening Valve so I have nothing to apologize for. You not getting your way doesn't mean people owe you an apology.
Burden of proof is solely on the accuser, and clearly, it's not a Valve caused issue at the root of the problem. Consider how many people utilize downloads without any issues, when the download is not corrupted or interrupted by an unstable connection or crashing; nearly every. single. user.
Technical person does not equate to accuracy, for all we know this could be a "friend" that somewhat knows about how the internet works. In any case, one technical person replicating your issue using an unstable connection is still not Valves fault.
You signed the same agreements as everyone else, you have no right and no authority to bill Valve, Period.
Say this in entirety in a single post in more clear wording next time. Either way, you're not going to win in court and you're not going to have your bills paid by valve, Period.
None of what I wrote is a lie or defamatory, and if you're going to suggest anything you're attempting to make it from a discussion to a passive legal threat, which is actually a bannable offense.
Still false. Only one doing legal shenanigans here is you, and you seem to be passively threatening Valve on their own service. How do you think that will end?
As a moderator said in another thread (paraphrasing), Valve cannot fix a problem that is not on their side. This is a user forum, you're not going to have employees talking to you here or get their attention. If you get their attention; it would be forwarding this thread to their Legal Team.
Threatening a company for what you believe is their fault, when it is not, and to pay your bill where you chose to go over or otherwise not monitor your data consumption is entirely on you and you alone. Threatening them if they do not do as you wish or finger-pointing at them saying you'll try to take them to court or otherwise bill them over your complete fault is definitely extortion at the least.
Note law enforcement is not "legal adjacent".
"X to doubt", as they say. You realize that;
1. You signed a fully legal agreement with Valve, the same agreement as everyone else
2. Valve would actually have to be correctly at some sort of fault, when they are not, for you to even bring this up in court.
3. Burden of proof is on you. We have countless millions of people utilizing the service with an actual Internet Provider not a Cellular Data aka Phone Company provider, so you'd need to have absolute, undeniable evidence of any sort and even then, if the service is working for countless millions you seriously have no legal foot to stand on, when the issue is not on their end. This also doesn't appear to bring in the health of the other device(s) involved, so if somehow there's any merit to your claim - unstable overclock, bad voltage, low health drive(s) etc can also be a point of cause.
Cellular connection is NOT meant to be a permanent solution and should be used with extreme caution and in itself is already an immense point of liability the larger the constant download. I must emphasize, having worked on cellular equipment and accessories that provide cellular data that they are immensely prone to issues, regardless of what you think.
Because your only agreement with Valve is the same as the rest of us, in which you have no right to demand and no authority to claim being able to bill them or attempt to take them to court in a non-Valve issue.
Everything in terms of connection and billing is between you and your ISP, in which you're the customer - YOU pay the ISP. Other parties DO NOT PAY YOU. Take even the shortest time to read what you agreed to, and you'll see that even if you attempt to do anything, you'll likely owe Valve far more than what you want to for even trying. Got a house or vehicle? Prepare to lose it. Own a company? Prepare to sell it to pay your debt.
Nothing malicious about this.
Except if the corruption is caused by anything, constantly, other than Valve then clearly Valve is not to blame. Again - millions of users do not have this issue, and millions of users do not largely utilize cellular data as it is well known to be unsuitable for gaming and downloading things through. The issue here, is definitely not Valve.
Again, no legal basis. Basic things you agreed to may be collected, and there is also the Optional Hardware Survey. You choosing to download things or not monitor them exceeding your data cap Without using the OS's literal ability to stop you from exceeding data caps if you so choose to or not to use it is entirely your fault.
Beginning a download on Steam or not setting the "Don't update until I run the game" option, or otherwise not setting limits within your OS is, again, your fault. You were vague about if it was collection or transmitted as in downloads, so I decided to cover both. Again, none of the legal nonsense you post adds any credibility to this.
You're here saying if Valve doesn't pay you, then you'll force collections and ruing their credit. You later then added more to if you take them to court and win, you'll do collections and ruin credit - on a metter you have zero understanding of and wrongfully blame Valve for.
Nothing in this thread is "defamatory", other than you blaming Valve for your problems.
It's a threat of bodily harm/injury and death, which is still illegal as you'd be intimidating or instigating the other party. One cannot just go saying certain things without justification or the proper scenario.
That's assuming you're in a position where such a thing can legally be said which varies state-to-state, intention is a high degree of who is at fault of what as well. You'd have to be actively threatened to react in a justifiable manner, which still varies state-by-state. If you're in CA for example, you're threatening murder unless they have a gun drawn on you HOWEVER since it's CA, you'd be demonstrating a lack of fearing for your life which is a critical part of self-defense as you'd be overly aggressive.
Ah there it is, "anyone that disagrees with me is a troll".
I'm not going to help alleviate your problems when you're threatening a company I utilize for my entertainment and claiming things like "defamatory" against users because you have zero merit or credibility in this thread. If you came in here asking for assistance in the Help & Tips section or the Hardware & OS section without acting in an uncivil manner, looking to help resolve your issue including not exceeding your data cap - I would've gladly helped to resolve it if possible.
However, coming in here all gun-ho with legal nonsense is a great way to not only not attempt to fix the issue, but to constantly attempt to bicker non-points all day rather than resolve the issue, which even in court would show as having no intention on fixing the issue. Not to mention the hostility towards anyone not affirming your beliefs.
Except for this part:
(Your Drive here) > Steam > Steamapps > "Downloading".
So the only reason you blustered is because people didn't agree with you? Got it. So did that set everyone straight? Or did they just scoff at your posturing?