Steam is drowning in early access garbage

[Zeke45]

It's like this store is catering to devs with attention-deficit disorder. This can't be good for the medium.

Can you imagine if bookstores sold "early access novels"? Not serial novels, but "early access" novels?!

Come see the "early access movie." Let's go to the art gallery and browse some "early access paintings." Hey, y'all said video games are an art form, right? Whatever.

Not to mention the Steam store is cluttered enough as it is.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Foxdude：

引用自 Start_Running：

The fact you see stuff like that tells us more about your usage of the discovery queue than anything else.

Yeah, I knew someone would spit out something like that, and unsurprisingly it was you, but a quick look through my library will quickly show that you are cowardly shifting the blame from steam to the consumer.

Well when there's such a telling difference in results it tends to boil down to the person using the system.

Thart you're seeing stuff like tells me one or mor of tthe following closely describes you.

1. Your Ignore List is larger than your Wishlist
2. You run through the Queue at least once-twice daily.
3. You've been doing this for sometime.
4. You don't review many of your games.

In short you've probably spent more time telling the system what you don't like as opposed to what you like and you've been through it enough times that it is literally running out of games to show you. The Queue does not repeat itself. So the more times you run through it, the smaller the listt of games it has to draw from. And since you've done little to tell it what you actuially want its basically throwing anything it finds at you.

People with relatively small ignore lists who don't run through the queue religiously and daily get results more along the line of what Crazy Tiger posted.


It doesn't help that you seem to be hunting for these things. I mean You had to run through the Queue two times to find Cuckold Simulator, and another 2 times to find tree simulator.

That's 2 out 24.

If you search for it, you'll find it.

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 Foxdude：

But I guess Start_Running is now gonna equate this to Euro Truck Simulator since both games have simulator in the name because that's the kind of discourse that's left on the Steam forums since moderators pushed the intelligent people away like cinedine.

Funnily enough cinedine usually has the same opinion about Early Access and "trash" games as Tito, Start and myself.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 Foxdude：

But I guess Start_Running is now gonna equate this to Euro Truck Simulator since both games have simulator in the name because that's the kind of discourse that's left on the Steam forums since moderators pushed the intelligent people away like cinedine.

Funnily enough cinedine usually has the same opinion about Early Access and "trash" games as Tito, Start and myself.

I would put those two games in the same category I place Grass Simulator, Rocket League, Cod, and most American Beers. The 'Stuff for other people' category.

They exist so I assume someone must want/like then. Those that want them can buy them and I will buy the stuff I want/like.

[FOXDUDE69]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 Foxdude：

But I guess Start_Running is now gonna equate this to Euro Truck Simulator since both games have simulator in the name because that's the kind of discourse that's left on the Steam forums since moderators pushed the intelligent people away like cinedine.

Funnily enough cinedine usually has the same opinion about Early Access and "trash" games as Tito, Start and myself.

Not disputing that, but there's a world of difference in the quality of his arguments compared to quality of the arguments from the usuals here. His arguments often made me question my position and rethink my arguments before posting.

[FOXDUDE69]

引用自 Start_Running：

Thart you're seeing stuff like tells me one or mor of tthe following closely describes you.

1. Your Ignore List is larger than your Wishlist
2. You run through the Queue at least once-twice daily.
3. You've been doing this for sometime.
4. You don't review many of your games.

Wrong.

1. My ignore list is empty.
2. I only run the discovery queue once a week, max. Some weeks/months not at all.
3. Nope.
4. Can't tell for sure but probably review more than the average Steam user.

引用自 Start_Running：

If you search for it, you'll find it.

Never searched for it or anything like it. Any more ideas to make this my fault instead of Steam's?

[Start_Running]

引用自 Foxdude：

引用自 Start_Running：

Thart you're seeing stuff like tells me one or mor of tthe following closely describes you.

1. Your Ignore List is larger than your Wishlist
2. You run through the Queue at least once-twice daily.
3. You've been doing this for sometime.
4. You don't review many of your games.

Wrong.

1. My ignore list is empty.
2. I only run the discovery queue once a week, max. Some weeks/months not at all.
3. Nope.
4. Can't tell for sure but probably review more than the average Steam user.

引用自 Start_Running：

If you search for it, you'll find it.

Never searched for it or anything like it. Any more ideas to make this my fault instead of Steam's?

1. And this also goes for no publishers, developers, or tags being excluded ignored?
2, 3. Care to share a screen of your Discovery Queue page then. That'll answer a fair number of questions, like how many games you've viewed.
4. You've reviewed 34 games. A compared to 1300+ games owned. So not many.

Also you went through your Discovery QUeue 4 times in 24 hours to find 2 games to make your case here. What were the other 46 games I wonder. Clearly you were searching for something to suit the narrative you're pushing.

I mean You'll notice that when both Tito and Crazy Tiger did their Queues they posted a list of all 12 games they got in their Queues where as you posted one game you cherry picked out of 2 Queues.

[FOXDUDE69]

引用自 Start_Running：

Also you went through your Discovery QUeue 4 times in 24 hours to find 2 games to make your case here. What were the other 46 games I wonder. Clearly you were searching for something to suit the narrative you're pushing.

I mean You'll notice that when both Tito and Crazy Tiger did their Queues they posted a list of all 12 games they got in their Queues where as you posted one game you cherry picked out of 2 Queues.

I did post that the other games were decent, at the very least they didn't raise an eyebrow.
It's not cherry picking, the narrative here is that this trash doesn't pop up on people's lists so of course I was looking for something when I did my queue, and of course I found it because it was there. So your narrative falls apart and now I'm cherry picking, lol. What a joke.

And you were completely wrong on 3 out of your 4 assumptions, and the 4th one is debatable. Now you are desperately looking for something else to blame.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Foxdude：

I did post that the other games were decent, at the very least they didn't raise an eyebrow.

So you focus on the 2 out of 48 games?
You ignored 96% of the sample to focus on the 4% that confirmed your bias.
That's called "Cherry-Picking".

It's not cherry picking, the narrative here is that this trash doesn't pop up on people's lists so of course I was looking for something when I did my queue, and of course I found it because it was there. So your narrative falls apart and now I'm cherry picking, lol. What a joke.

You found what you were looking for. Now igmagine if you'd been looking for 'Decent Games' or 'Good games'. You'd have probably found those as well.

See how that works?
And again only 4% of the sample matched your criteria.

We don't even need to get into the other half of this that what you consider trash is not what other people consider trash. Someone else can look at those games and say 'That looks like it'd be a larf".

And you were completely wrong on 3 out of your 4 assumptions,

You didn't respond to my clarifications. on those 3. So the jury is still out there.

[Morphic]

引用自 Foxdude：

引用自 Start_Running：

Also you went through your Discovery QUeue 4 times in 24 hours to find 2 games to make your case here. What were the other 46 games I wonder. Clearly you were searching for something to suit the narrative you're pushing.

I did post that the other games were decent, at the very least they didn't raise an eyebrow.
It's not cherry picking, the narrative here is that this trash doesn't pop up on people's lists so of course I was looking for something when I did my queue, and of course I found it because it was there. So your narrative falls apart and now I'm cherry picking, lol. What a joke.

I don't think the narrative was that "trash doesn't pop up", it was more "trash only pops up if you look for it".

Which, in my experience, Start_Running is correct. AFAIK, Steam draws from your owned games, your recent playtime, any curators you follow, what's tending/top selling, your ignored tags/games, your search settings, wishlisted games etc. to make your Discovery Queue.

A couple years back I was getting annoyed at my Queue and posted about it. It was basically filled with anime and JRPG games and nothing else. Did 3 whole queues and still anime stuff. Turns out it was likely because I was playing Ys: Origins for ~80 hours and Defender's Quest in the weeks leading up to searching my queue. Both anime games with rpg mechanics. Same thing happened when I was binging RTS/TBS games, queue was filled with a lot of them.

Did a queue just now and got this:

Dyson sphere program
Legend of Keepers
It Takes Two
NieR Replicant
Craftopia
Total War: Rome Remastered
Touhou Kouryudou
Sea of Thieves
FlowScape
Hood: Outlaws and Legends
Death Stranding
Dorfromantik

Among those titles I would question Touhou, FlowScape and Dorfromanitk. However, Touhou is a bullet hell game, and I have a few of those. FlowScape and Dorfromantik are similar to Banished(I own/played) and Dwarheim(on wishlist) so I could understand that. Personally, have no intention of buying them but that's different than "wtf, why is this here?".

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Foxdude：

I remember you writing a similar post on a previous thread and I guess you must be on some kind of exclusive discovery queue for moderators

No such thing.

引用自 Foxdude：

because I did the same and on the second discovery queue I got this:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1141550/CUCKOLD_SIMULATOR_Life_as_a_Beta_Male_Cuck/

Steam tells you why a game in your discovery queue is showing. I'll say for my case most recommendations come backed by previous playtime in similar games.

引用自 Foxdude：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

Even the supermarket is full of food I'll never buy.

A bit of a disingenuous argument. Yes, there are products you'd never buy in a supermarket, but if supermarkets did what Steam does and allow every piece of trash to be sold on their shelves next to legitimate products, that supermarket would quickly earn a bad reputation and everyone except for the very poor would start shopping elsewhere.

Except we're talking entertainment here. Not food.

And in regards entertainment quality doesn't go hand in hand with enjoyment.

引用自 WelcometotheEraofFakeProducts：

Welcome to the Era of Fake Products | Wirecutter

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazon-counterfeit-fake-products/

Selling a counterfeit product is an actual illegal activity, whereas selling cheap products is not.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Foxdude：

I remember you writing a similar post on a previous thread and I guess you must be on some kind of exclusive discovery queue for moderators

No such thing.

引用自 Foxdude：

A bit of a disingenuous argument. Yes, there are products you'd never buy in a supermarket, but if supermarkets did what Steam does and allow every piece of trash to be sold on their shelves next to legitimate products, that supermarket would quickly earn a bad reputation and everyone except for the very poor would start shopping elsewhere.

Except we're talking entertainment here. Not food.

And in regards entertainment qualitu doesn't go hand in hand with enjoyment.

To put another way. Quality can be measure by one's enjoyment. And much like music, movies, or even food, you can and will enjoy things that other people would consider trash.

Nobody would call "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" a good, or even quality movie. But I've yet to meet someone who said they didn't enjoy or get a laugh out of it. Same thing for the SHowa-era Kaiju films. And we all have this one dinner or fast food place that sells fries with enough salt to float an efgg, and enough grease on their burgers to fry another burger that we keep coming back to. You know the one...

People like what they like. People buy what they like. SO why shouldn't a store sell them. If its niche, its niche.

And as I always say, there are apparently enough people lining up to see Adam Sandler and Uwe Boll films to keep them making films.

Allso I did the Discovery Queue

It Takes Two
Total War: ROME REMASTERED
NieR Replicant™ ver.1.22474487139
Touhou Kouryudou ~ Unconnected Marketeers
Forza Horizon 4
Kill It With Fire
Dorfromantik
Ranch Simulator - The Realistic Multiplayer Agriculture Management Sandbox; Farm, Harvest, Hunt & Build
Legends of IdleOn - Idle MMO
Lunch Lady
Dread Hunger
Hobo: Tough Life

[Edifier]

For me there is an equal amount of uninterested released games as there are of early access games.

I just skip them and hope I find something better. If I where to remove EA games from the store page it really wouldn't change much.

[Start_Running]

It's worth noting that you can filter EA ouut of things like the Discovery Queue and most areas of the store page.