Epic exclusive

[RocknRolla]

It seems like steam is slowly turning into a platform that only sells indie or outdated games.
Imo Valve needs to step up their game because this will hurt them on the longterm.
It started with a couple of games, but the list of epic exclusives keeps growing and growing.
I personally refuse to buy games from Epic because I believe that what they are doing is destroying the market. Based on everything steam has to offer to the community , a 33% cut is more than reasonable if you ask me...

What is your opinion?

[Brian9824]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

You claimed they don't have a launcher and then ignored the link in their store to operate their launcher which is just like Steam only missing most of the features.

Again, here is their launcher that per you doesn't exist - https://i2.wp.com/gameinpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/EGS.jpg?fit=779%2C394&ssl=1

It's been around since 2018........

Man... Every store that sells games is " just like steam" and only missing a few features ... :D

Seriously look at the link - see where it says launcher? See the pic of the launcher with friends list, library, etc? That would be a launcher, just like Steam, GoG, etc. Just a really lackluster one. But don't take my word for it, take Epic's

If you already have the Epic Games Launcher use the "Open" button otherwise download the Epic Games Launcher to play.

I mean seriously your trying to argue they don't have a launcher because your too embarassed to admit you were wrong....

[Brian9824]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Didn't ignore it, they operated at a loss with a plan to make a profit. Epic will never generate a profit while they are paying for Exclusives. Their CEO has ADMITTED that because it costs them so much money.

They also aren't investing into their platform, and people using their platform aren't actually BUYING games as they are averaging less then $3 spent per account which is not sustainable.

They backed themselves into a corner because the second they stop offering free games their usage will tank, but they don't have anything to draw people in EXCEPT for the free games.

Also again, not your post so you don't get to control what is being said on it.

"they operated at a loss with a plan to make a profit"
Yeah... And epic is just trowing money out of the window for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles.

No..... Have you read anything that ANYONE has posted here?

Their goal was to draw in a user base, to do that they needed an incentive to get people to use their platform. Hence the free games. The issue as numerous people have pointed out is that just getting people on your platform isn't enough, you have to convert them into paying customers and they have failed to do that.

Hence why they only average a $3 spend per account. Millions of people sign up JUST for the free games and don't become paying customers which costs them a fortune but doesn't actually benefit them. The problem is they backed themselves in a corner and are doubling down on the free games and haven't improved their client significantly in over a year. Eventually the free games have to stop, and when they do they don't have a client that will keep people interested in them.

[Brian9824]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

If by pick a fight you mean post facts that disagree with the fictuious numbers you posted. If I posted something that was not factually correct feel free to let me know what that was. Otherwise you seem to be the only one attempting to pick a fight by trying and failing to intimidate and boss people around.

Bye

So guess you can't actually state what i supposedly made up then.....

So to recap, your numbers are wrong, steam doesn't charge 33% commisssion nor should they increase their commission from 20-30% to 33%.

Epic does indeed have a launcher and has had it since their beta in 2018

Epic is operating as a loss leader (which is a valid strategy) but is not getting the conversion they were hoping for and most of their userbase does not actually buy games.

Epic's CEO has admitted they operate at a loss due to their exclusives.

Steam continues to grow and break records with sales focusing on their own platform and improving it which is the best strategy for dealing with a loss leader.

Epic's strategy is not sustainable long term, as numerous people have mentioned, but they are backed into a corner because the moment they stop offering the free games their userbase drops.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Odra eredeti hozzászólása:

I think this whole "Valve better do something" argument evolved from people being spoiled on discounts.

People got used to them and their libraries grew at a steady pace, when sales started offering less deep discounts people wanted to keep the train going. People pushed for more market competition because, as far they understood it "more competition among stores means lower prices for us"

Luckily for the industry pricing has leveled off and prices are steady outside of new customer incentives.

This doesn't stop users from attempting to stoke fears of impending doom, I tend to browse the suggestion and ideas forum just to see the daily threads promoting some hare brained scheme that basically boils down to "give me free games/discounts" while pretending that it is good for the industry, which always gets a laugh from me.

I can agree, just going to say some things, sometimes people don't understand when they demand things that doesn't actually help them in the end of the rainbow / train ride then end up turning into something else that was not they intended in sake of whatever they're trying to complain for. and some cases people just want things more about themselves than even if were being provided things that has been working fine, and will only be ruin in name of whatever reason they were fighting to complain about. In case for video games, prices for the new game consoles are now being raise up by $10, and who knows maybe in 5 - 10 years another $10 - $20 will be raise again, and so on, as people already accepted price raise in 2013 as a standard, it only bound to happen again as a standard for PC at some point, even if they say they have plans we all know they're going to do it at some point. But as it stands prices are not going to be very good for those living in country with weaker currencies, where regional pricing can only help so much, but in some of those countires with really bad currencies, they may not even get a regional pricing due to their economy, where $60 USD can be a lot to some that chew large chunk of their monthly pay, even their whole pay, or more which is not good.



At some point Epic may stop providing coupons, and free giveaway at some point, and there will be of the people bashing everyone for not doing what Epic doing, only to repeat itself such as Origin, Uplay, and etc that provides free stuff, or lower sales only to be bash on when they stop providing said things, which shows how hypocritical, and self-centered some people can really be in this world. We have fan boys praise Epic, and bash on everyone, while same can be said for everyone else with their own fan boys, but some of those fan boys will change their mind, and end up bashing on their own fav store, that happen with Origin, Uplay, and so on, that keep going over, and over. Epic holding a double edge sword, and they're well aware it will hit themselves as soon they stop the train ride.

There is a market where people want their games on said store, such as Steam, GoG, or etc... Publishers are aware, and even game devs knows it as well, some may do it, and list on more stores, some may just list it only on one store for whatever their reason may be. If they only want to list on Steam, that their own reason, same with GoG only, or Epic only there can vary on the reason why they do it.

I could get into topic how the gaming industry does have a real problem with publishers, execs wanting to pocket more money, marketing burning/pocketing funds, costly licensing, trademarks, and patents, wasting millions of dollars, as well people being overly paid such as high as 200k salary and yes that real, and so on, which it makes you question so much, but that a whole subject on it own, and this is only tip of the iceberg for gaming industry problems when comes to publishers.

[Tito Shivan]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

It's honestly suprising me that people don't see where Epic is going with this.
Their logic is that steam users won't leave the platform for epic unless they have an equal amount of games.

Epic isn't being precisely stealthy in their market strategy. They've been as sneaky as a bull in a china store for the most part.

Sure a part of using a service is getting people to feel invested in the service and letting them build a library fast is one of the strategies. It's just some have seen this come and go too many times.
GOG gaver away lots of games with the only requisite you had to own it on Steam. To try get users to build library and 'port over' their libraries to GOG.
EA gave away lots of games and DLC back in the first days of Origin. You could also redeem your EA Steam keys in their services.

Eventually the faucet closes. You either build a critical mass of customers or the expense stops being profitable. Epic is going to have a serious case of withdrawal when they close the freebies faucet after making it rain for so long.

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

Has anyone noticed how Epic has been trowing around free games but made 0 adjustments or improvents to their platform? They are waiting on the right moment to launch their version of steam and I think it's gonna be a massacre. Think reviewsystem , market , forums , emoticons. They will have all of it.

It seems you haven't read much about Epic's concept for their shop if you're expecting stuff like forums or reviews to be part of it. Go ahead and read a bit, because I'm afraid you and Epic have different concepts of what the store future is.

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

And you can be sure that they will do a massive give away on that day. Probably something like cyberpunk or even better : a new released AAA title.

I'm going to be highly skeptical about that. I wouldn't hold my breath on a AAA publisher doing a giveaway of a top tier title soon after their release date.
That's akin to financial suicide.

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

They backed themselves into a corner because the second they stop offering free games their usage will tank, but they don't have anything to draw people in EXCEPT for the free games.

I'm kind of amazed on how such a big name as Epic is can have so little in-home muscle to drive people to their service.

-Steam had Half-life, TF2, Portal to flex their store. (Now CSGO, DOTA2)
-GOG has The Witcher, Cyberpunk.
-Origin has the Battlefield saga, Sims, Mass Effect, Battlefront.
-Uplay has Assasins Creed, FarCry, The Division, Watchdogs

Every big name in the business of having a digital storefront has enough muscle to pull people to their table.

But what do Epic bring to the table on their own?
Very little. We haven't even seen a Unreal Tournament in AGES... They have to bring foreign muscle to compete (exclusives) and buy external talent (Psyonix) to get some proper muscle.

Sure I'm leaving Fortnite aside. On Purpose, because it's still to be seen if the people who play Fortnite do something else than play Fortnite.

I'd say even Riot has more development muscle than Epic has right now. And they're also as much of a one trick-pony (LoL) as Epic are (Fortnite)

[Brian9824]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm kind of amazed on how such a big name as Epic is can have so little in-home muscle to drive people to their service.

-Steam had Half-life, TF2, Portal to flex their store. (Now CSGO, DOTA2)
-GOG has The Witcher, Cyberpunk.
-Origin has the Battlefield saga, Sims, Mass Effect, Battlefront.
-Uplay has Assasins Creed, FarCry, The Division, Watchdogs

Every big name in the business of having a digital storefront has enough muscle to pull people to their table.

Yep, its one of the things that Microsoft has been doing really well. Investing in their gamepass, investing in other companies, and providing a value to those subscribing.

If Epic was smart they could have tried to do a gamepass style approach, letting people say pick out 10 games a month, or something and let people rotate the games every month. Something that provides a different benefit or something unique to draw people into their service.