Changing IP address confuses steam?

[Macaw!]

Every time I change my IP address, steam panics and tries to reauthenticate, fails, then I have to close it and reopen it. Why is it so useless?

[Zurik]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

Macaw! の投稿を引用：

If they don't, then why is steam getting upset when I change IP?

They are a part of security by the way. For example Ebay emailed me to warn me I've logged in at another IP address. Worryingly, it knew very precisely where I was, despite it being my father's desktop computer and not something like a phone with geo location.

Yes because IP's SHOULDN'T be changing much and it can be a warning sign someone is already in your account. No amount of "fiddling with IP's" will ever let you spend other people's money or access their account.

Being used for security doesn't mean that it gives people magic access to your account. That is like saying if you change your phone number enough times you can access their bank account.....

[[?]legit]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

I can honestly say I know several people who use VPN's and don't know a single one that uses their VPN to change their COUNTRY. That's a good way to get your accounts on a lot of sites flagged for suspicious activity.

The only ones I know who change their country regularly are people who are using it to try to buy from stores in other regions or to circumvent region restrictions for video content.

That being said even if someone was to do it, they aren't changing countries enough via vpn for it to be a major issue. Just close and re-open steam if your going to do it.

It doesn't matter if you change the country, steam may log you out once your IP changes.

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

If your going to be changing your country via VPN 5-10 times a day then thats suspicious as heck even if your intentions are benign and its not really logical to expect the software to change to address such unusual behaviour.

For your information, steam is the only client that shows this behavior and logs you out. It's not happening in any other client. If I'm changing my IP while battlenet is opened, nothing happens. It is a steam problem.

[Brian9824]

legit の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

I can honestly say I know several people who use VPN's and don't know a single one that uses their VPN to change their COUNTRY. That's a good way to get your accounts on a lot of sites flagged for suspicious activity.

The only ones I know who change their country regularly are people who are using it to try to buy from stores in other regions or to circumvent region restrictions for video content.

That being said even if someone was to do it, they aren't changing countries enough via vpn for it to be a major issue. Just close and re-open steam if your going to do it.

It doesn't matter if you change the country, steam may log you out once your IP changes.

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

If your going to be changing your country via VPN 5-10 times a day then thats suspicious as heck even if your intentions are benign and its not really logical to expect the software to change to address such unusual behaviour.

For your information, steam is the only client that shows this behavior and logs you out. It's not happening in any other client. If I'm changing my IP while battlenet is opened, nothing happens. It is a steam problem.

While annoying if you think the average gamer is changing their IP multiple times a day its simply not true. It's definitely not normal behaviour and something many games don't actually like especially if there is match making involved.

[Peelsepuuppi]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so. The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

I can honestly say I know several people who use VPN's and don't know a single one that uses their VPN to change their COUNTRY. That's a good way to get your accounts on a lot of sites flagged for suspicious activity.

The only ones I know who change their country regularly are people who are using it to try to buy from stores in other regions or to circumvent region restrictions for video content.

That being said even if someone was to do it, they aren't changing countries enough via vpn for it to be a major issue. Just close and re-open steam if your going to do it.

If your going to be changing your country via VPN 5-10 times a day then thats suspicious as heck even if your intentions are benign and its not really logical to expect the software to change to address such unusual behaviour.

Seriously. It's a standard feature for commercial VPNs. Many VPNs don't even have server for my country so the only way to use them would be to "change" the country. I know we had a somewhat ♥♥♥♥♥♥ back and forth in another thread, but I'm being sincere here. Even something basic garbage like the VPN that is in the Opera Browser changes you country based on the website you visit.

The only VPN that I've used that didn't change my country was my university VPN (obviously because the University network is located here). The point of that was to make your home computer look like it's part of the University network so that you get easy access to the university network from home and to online content that is locked behind university IP's.

[Brian9824]

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

Seriously. It's a standard feature for commercial VPNs. Many VPNs don't even have server for my country so the only way to use them would be to "change" the country. I know we had a somewhat ♥♥♥♥♥♥ back and forth in another thread, but I'm being sincere here. Even something basic garbage like the VPN that is in the Opera Browser changes you country based on the website you visit.

The only VPN that I've used that didn't change my country was my university VPN. The point of that was to essentially to make your home computer look like it's part of the University network so that you get easy access to the university network from home and to online content that is locked behind university IP's.

Commercial VPN's don't change your country for the heck of it. If they are changing it then its either

1. Because they don't spoof the country your in, which means your a minor country and thus not going to be an issue for most people aka the majority of users although a basic search showed quite a few VPN's specifically designed for Finland so i'd be dubious of that claim.
2. Or its designed to trick certain sites. Like people spoof their VPN on GoG and other sites to buy games at Russian prices and people used to do the same on Steam. It's automatically extremely suspicious when it occurs regardless of the actual reason you use it.

The majority of use for a VPN for a gamer has absolutely no reason to actually change the country of origin. In fact doing so can get you banned from many games on steam as it disrupts their matchmaking and can degrade the multiplayer performance.

[Start_Running]

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

VPNs are more than likely are gathering information. But it also gives you more control who gathers your information and when.

Does it? Because you know they aren't keeping that info to themselves. This is sorta the joke about that.

As for your last paragraph. You say that. But do you see how we nerds behave. Everyone has a tape on their laptop camera and all kinds of excessive security measures on their computers even when there's nothing important to secure. If anything we do it out of habit and because it's interesting to tinker with shit.

I do not see that and plenty of nerds occupy my friend circle.
For starters its a lot neater and cleaner to just disable the camera in the hardware profile.
SImple truth is. Those of us who are security minded already know what to secure,. We also again understand that we are more annonymoys than at any time ever.

Many of us also don't mind targetted advertising since surprise it actuually helps us find stuff we're interested in.

[Peelsepuuppi]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

Seriously. It's a standard feature for commercial VPNs. Many VPNs don't even have server for my country so the only way to use them would be to "change" the country. I know we had a somewhat ♥♥♥♥♥♥ back and forth in another thread, but I'm being sincere here. Even something basic garbage like the VPN that is in the Opera Browser changes you country based on the website you visit.

The only VPN that I've used that didn't change my country was my university VPN. The point of that was to essentially to make your home computer look like it's part of the University network so that you get easy access to the university network from home and to online content that is locked behind university IP's.

Commercial VPN's don't change your country for the heck of it. If they are changing it then its either

1. Because they don't spoof the country your in, which means your a minor country and thus not going to be an issue for most people aka the majority of users although a basic search showed quite a few VPN's specifically designed for Finland so i'd be dubious of that claim.
2. Or its designed to trick certain sites. Like people spoof their VPN on GoG and other sites to buy games at Russian prices and people used to do the same on Steam. It's automatically extremely suspicious when it occurs regardless of the actual reason you use it.

The majority of use for a VPN for a gamer has absolutely no reason to actually change the country of origin. In fact doing so can get you banned from many games on steam as it disrupts their matchmaking and can degrade the multiplayer performance.

Commercial VPNs provide multiple servers that you are free to choose between And it's made very easy to change between them.

As far as VPNs specifically designed for Finland. I don't know I haven't used one. However you are right I did a search and apparently many VPNs do come with a Finnish server. I haven't used a VPN in a while, but this wasn't the case back when I did. VPNs have increased their popularity a lot in the recent years so it's a relatively recent development.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

VPNs are more than likely are gathering information. But it also gives you more control who gathers your information and when.

Does it? Because you know they aren't keeping that info to themselves. This is sorta the joke about that.

As for your last paragraph. You say that. But do you see how we nerds behave. Everyone has a tape on their laptop camera and all kinds of excessive security measures on their computers even when there's nothing important to secure. If anything we do it out of habit and because it's interesting to tinker with shit.

I do not see that and plenty of nerds occupy my friend circle.
For starters its a lot neater and cleaner to just disable the camera in the hardware profile.
SImple truth is. Those of us who are security minded already know what to secure,. We also again understand that we are more annonymoys than at any time ever.

Many of us also don't mind targetted advertising since surprise it actuually helps us find stuff we're interested in.

Disabling your camera doesn't mean it inaccessible. If someone has a way to access your computer, they can also enable the camera again if needed.

I studied CS at University and that's a pretty decent sample size of tech nerds. There were a lot of people like that, not everyone, but enough for it to be a visible trend. As counter point to that people I work with aren't nearly as eccentric as many of the students were back then, but it's a much smaller group of people.

We aren't as anonymous as you think. Google for can target a lot of very specific information about most internet users if necessary. The whole Snowden case proved something that people were pretty certain about even before it. You are anonymous in big data only as long as there's reason to allow you to be. The moment someone with the capability has a reason to access specific information about you, you stop being anonymous. While it's not very likely I'm going to be target by the NSA I still don't like to just share every single thing I do on the internet when there are simple steps to restrict some of that information (not talking about VPNs specifically). That doesn't mean I'm fool proof and completely immune from data collection, but it helps.

Just because there's a lot of data about you out there already doesn't mean it's beneficial to just allow every company to gather and collect and sell your data willy nilly. It doesn't mean you should, excuse the impression, "♥♥♥♥♥" your data to absolutely everyone without restrictions.

[Macaw!]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Macaw! の投稿を引用：

It's hardly illegal to go to a different region to bypass the nonsense the film makers come up with. There's no reason why I should have to wait longer to see something that's already out in another country.

It's a grey area,, but leaning toward illegal, the main reason it hasn't been tackled is because well.. its profitable to the right people. Netflix ain't gonna complain too much, and the movie companies get to kind iof double dip. The only ones hurt are the middle-man distributors that paid for the regional distribution rights.

It's a civil offence. The clue is the police are nothing to do with it. You'd get in more trouble for speeding.

[Macaw!]

But you do share an activity in common with criminals. Also the whole privacy thing... all you're really doing is changing who can see and harvest your data. if you think your VPN isn't keeping tabs then I have a bridge to sell you.

Look up "no log VPN". They have no interest in harvesting or logging you. If they were found out, they'd lose most of their customers very quickly.

[Macaw!]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so. The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

I can honestly say I know several people who use VPN's and don't know a single one that uses their VPN to change their COUNTRY. That's a good way to get your accounts on a lot of sites flagged for suspicious activity.

The only ones I know who change their country regularly are people who are using it to try to buy from stores in other regions or to circumvent region restrictions for video content.

That being said even if someone was to do it, they aren't changing countries enough via vpn for it to be a major issue. Just close and re-open steam if your going to do it.

If your going to be changing your country via VPN 5-10 times a day then thats suspicious as heck even if your intentions are benign and its not really logical to expect the software to change to address such unusual behaviour.

Unless I pick a country, my VPN chooses the one that's fastest, which might not be my own.

[76561198887146265]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

It's not because it's useless. it's for security. That way you cannot take the Steam cookies elsewhere and get into the account without logging. Changes in your IP shouldn't be that frequent as to trigger this behaviour frequently enough.

I actually change my IP Frequently, since I have multiple IP's.

So I hope this isn't going to be a problem for me,
cause I can't actually stick to one specific IP.

[Macaw!]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

legit の投稿を引用：

It doesn't matter if you change the country, steam may log you out once your IP changes.


For your information, steam is the only client that shows this behavior and logs you out. It's not happening in any other client. If I'm changing my IP while battlenet is opened, nothing happens. It is a steam problem.

While annoying if you think the average gamer is changing their IP multiple times a day its simply not true. It's definitely not normal behaviour and something many games don't actually like especially if there is match making involved.

Match making? As in finding a girlfriend?

[Macaw!]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

VPNs are more than likely are gathering information. But it also gives you more control who gathers your information and when.

Does it? Because you know they aren't keeping that info to themselves. This is sorta the joke about that.

As for your last paragraph. You say that. But do you see how we nerds behave. Everyone has a tape on their laptop camera and all kinds of excessive security measures on their computers even when there's nothing important to secure. If anything we do it out of habit and because it's interesting to tinker with shit.

I do not see that and plenty of nerds occupy my friend circle.
For starters its a lot neater and cleaner to just disable the camera in the hardware profile.
SImple truth is. Those of us who are security minded already know what to secure,. We also again understand that we are more annonymoys than at any time ever.

Many of us also don't mind targetted advertising since surprise it actuually helps us find stuff we're interested in.

What do you trust more? A setting you might forget to re-set if you use the camera sometimes, and that could get changed by a rogue program, or a piece of adhesive tape that you can see in front of you and cannot be bypassed by anything the computer or a virus on it could do?

[Macaw!]

ToveriJuri の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

Commercial VPN's don't change your country for the heck of it. If they are changing it then its either

1. Because they don't spoof the country your in, which means your a minor country and thus not going to be an issue for most people aka the majority of users although a basic search showed quite a few VPN's specifically designed for Finland so i'd be dubious of that claim.
2. Or its designed to trick certain sites. Like people spoof their VPN on GoG and other sites to buy games at Russian prices and people used to do the same on Steam. It's automatically extremely suspicious when it occurs regardless of the actual reason you use it.

The majority of use for a VPN for a gamer has absolutely no reason to actually change the country of origin. In fact doing so can get you banned from many games on steam as it disrupts their matchmaking and can degrade the multiplayer performance.

Commercial VPNs provide multiple servers that you are free to choose between And it's made very easy to change between them.

As far as VPNs specifically designed for Finland. I don't know I haven't used one. However you are right I did a search and apparently many VPNs do come with a Finnish server. I haven't used a VPN in a while, but this wasn't the case back when I did. VPNs have increased their popularity a lot in the recent years so it's a relatively recent development.

Isn't Finland like Norway, having less poking into your business laws from the government? Look up "five eyes". It's not thieves you have to watch for, it's your own government.