Changing IP address confuses steam?

[Macaw!]

Every time I change my IP address, steam panics and tries to reauthenticate, fails, then I have to close it and reopen it. Why is it so useless?

[Start_Running]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

VPN's

Yeah but correct me if i'm wrong but most VPN's aren't changing your IP addresses constantly.

If you activate the VPN, or swap locations during a single session though...

[Brian9824]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah but correct me if i'm wrong but most VPN's aren't changing your IP addresses constantly.

If you activate the VPN, or swap locations during a single session though...

Yeah its a one time thing, something that shouldn't happen enough to be an issue for the majority of people.

[[?]legit]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

If you activate the VPN, or swap locations during a single session though...

Yeah its a one time thing, something that shouldn't happen enough to be an issue for the majority of people.

For the people who have a vpn it's a big issue. And it's not a one time thing.

[Brian9824]

legit eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah its a one time thing, something that shouldn't happen enough to be an issue for the majority of people.

For the people who have a vpn it's a big issue. And it's not a one time thing.

Again, in a steam browsing session if your changing your IP multiple times while using steam in 1 sitting that is NOT normal behaviour.

[Macaw!]

Snakub Plissken eredeti hozzászólása:

Macaw! eredeti hozzászólása:

Why would it raise concerns because I start using a Russian IP? It's less concerning than it happening at seperate times, because chances are if a Russian nicked my account, they wouldn't happen to use it at the same time as me. So therefore those two IPs must be mine.

Region hopping? The only crime there is ripping me off by selling it to me for a higher price than people get it in another country.

Well you not having those concerns or just being contrary doesn't negate the issue for everyone else the world over. You can tell yourself whatever you want, meanwhile in reality things will carry on despite your beliefs.

You sound like a politician, are you going to provide your side of the argument?

Snakub Plissken eredeti hozzászólása:

Macaw! eredeti hozzászólása:

I never mentioned IP being an only method.

Macaw! eredeti hozzászólása:

I doubt it, you can spend a lot of someone else's money on Ebay if you fiddle about with IPs. no less likely than steam.

You can play the "I never said" game concerning specific words, it doesn't matter. Because what you did mention is either written poorly, or your understanding of the subject is poor.

I didn't say ONLY IPs did I? You're reading things that aren't there.

[Macaw!]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Macaw! eredeti hozzászólása:

Why would it raise concerns because I start using a Russian IP? It's less concerning than it happening at seperate times, because chances are if a Russian nicked my account, they wouldn't happen to use it at the same time as me. So therefore those two IPs must be mine.

Region hopping? The only crime there is ripping me off by selling it to me for a higher price than people get it in another country.

I never mentioned IP being an only method.

Because spoofing an IP is incredibly rare and 99.9% of users won't do it, and pretty much the only reasons you'd ever spoof your IP to the IP of another country is for illegal activity to bypass region restrictions.

It's hardly illegal to go to a different region to bypass the nonsense the film makers come up with. There's no reason why I should have to wait longer to see something that's already out in another country.

[Macaw!]

Nebsun eredeti hozzászólása:

I use my laptop with steam at a few different locations (and all different IPs) without any issue, (work, uni, home, through my mobile hotspot, ect).

never needed to re-login or re-authenticate.

Was the op changing IP addresses while the pc was running ?

Yes I was. Turning the VPN on and off will do that.

[Macaw!]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Grand Ayatrollah eredeti hozzászólása:

ya its a vpn. they just label it a wifi hotspot protector instead for some reason. i guess vpn's are taboo in the mainstream market?

but ya, my witty point was 99.9% of users are spoofing their addresses and dont even know it. theres a few other security options that include a vpn, sometimes set to turn on auto too.

ive been using a vpn for a decade so i know the real awnser. and it is... theyve been continuiously changing the way they handle vpn connections. they know the popularity is rising and will continue to adjust their policies as vpn adjust their hidey, illegal stuff

you used to get the credentials changed, relog. now i dont.

VPN's dont often change your country because that would cause you widespread issues. Obfuscating your IP and changing it to another country are two seperate things, and the VPN is NOT part of the security, its a totally seperate package that most people aren't going to own.

VPNs almost always change your country, it's more secure that way. You've never used one have you? Mine (NordVPN) provides a map of the world and you select a country.

[Macaw!]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

legit eredeti hozzászólása:

For the people who have a vpn it's a big issue. And it's not a one time thing.

Again, in a steam browsing session if your changing your IP multiple times while using steam in 1 sitting that is NOT normal behaviour.

You don't have to be in a browsing session, Steam just has to be running in the system tray, which it tends to do all the time.

[Macaw!]

Grand Ayatrollah eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

VPN's dont often change your country because that would cause you widespread issues. Obfuscating your IP and changing it to another country are two seperate things, and the VPN is NOT part of the security, its a totally seperate package that most people aren't going to own.

I USE THE MOST POPULAR ONE, NORD VPN, AND ONLY 1 OUT OF 24 SERVERS ARE FROM MY COUNTRY. sorry caps it has built in obfusification, but like the vpn's in norton antivirus, you have to turn it on, most people dont obfusicate

I use that too, where is the obfuscation option?

[Start_Running]

Macaw! eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Because spoofing an IP is incredibly rare and 99.9% of users won't do it, and pretty much the only reasons you'd ever spoof your IP to the IP of another country is for illegal activity to bypass region restrictions.

It's hardly illegal to go to a different region to bypass the nonsense the film makers come up with. There's no reason why I should have to wait longer to see something that's already out in another country.

It's a grey area,, but leaning toward illegal, the main reason it hasn't been tackled is because well.. its profitable to the right people. Netflix ain't gonna complain too much, and the movie companies get to kind iof double dip. The only ones hurt are the middle-man distributors that paid for the regional distribution rights.

[Peelsepuuppi]

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so. The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

[Start_Running]

ToveriJuri eredeti hozzászólása:

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

True but as the saying goes, you can't rule it out. Then again that only ever matters if you have a fixed IP address from your ISP.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so.

But you do share an activity in common with criminals. Also the whole privacy thing... all you're really doing is changing who can see and harvest your data. if you think your VPN isn't keeping tabs then I have a bridge to sell you.

The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

Conversely, the more they are into computer tech the more likely they are to realize their insignificance and realize that no one really cares who they are. You don't get much more annoymous than being a number in a database table.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

ToveriJuri eredeti hozzászólása:

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

True but as the saying goes, you can't rule it out. Then again that only ever matters if you have a fixed IP address from your ISP.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so.

But you do share an activity in common with criminals. Also the whole privacy thing... all you're really doing is changing who can see and harvest your data. if you think your VPN isn't keeping tabs then I have a bridge to sell you.

The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

Conversely, the more they are into computer tech the more likely they are to realize their insignificance and realize that no one really cares who they are. You don't get much more annoymous than being a number in a database table.

VPNs are more than likely are gathering information. But it also gives you more control who gathers your information and when.

As for your last paragraph. You say that. But do you see how we nerds behave. Everyone has a tape on their laptop camera and all kinds of excessive security measures on their computers even when there's nothing important to secure. If anything we do it out of habit and because it's interesting to tinker with shit.

While some of these measures have legitimate security uses, others wouldn't change our lives that much even if we didn't. But we still do it. Most techies are probably on a "list" somewhere. Hell googling and downloading tails or the tor browser already puts you on a "list".

[Brian9824]

ToveriJuri eredeti hozzászólása:

It's a standard feature for VPNs to provide multiple IP addresses and target countries. Part of anonymity and privacy is that they can't assume your country. Thinking that people are "spoofing" an IP address only for illegal activity is very old fashioned thinking and rather ignorant.

Privacy conscious people who take their own security and anonymity seriously seem to be treated like potential criminals and it shouldn't be so. The more people are into computer tech the more likely they are going to be privacy conscious too as it comes with the territory. That doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

I can honestly say I know several people who use VPN's and don't know a single one that uses their VPN to change their COUNTRY. That's a good way to get your accounts on a lot of sites flagged for suspicious activity.

The only ones I know who change their country regularly are people who are using it to try to buy from stores in other regions or to circumvent region restrictions for video content.

That being said even if someone was to do it, they aren't changing countries enough via vpn for it to be a major issue. Just close and re-open steam if your going to do it.

If your going to be changing your country via VPN 5-10 times a day then thats suspicious as heck even if your intentions are benign and its not really logical to expect the software to change to address such unusual behaviour.