Legality of remote play argument?

[WYR3]

Ive been looking for laws regarding remote playing for Canada, but cannot find anything regarding the topic. Does anybody have any idea who would be the best person to ask regarding the above topic?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

What issue are you having?

What legality?

[WYR3]

like, if i wanted to remote play a single player game with a friend who does not own the game (hence the remote play) isn't the idea that they can play a single player game remotely kind of like taking advantage of remote play?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

No. It is not illegal to do that.

[WYR3]

im in an argument with a friend over whether or not it is legal to let someone else buy a game that i can play via a different friend's pc via proxy to try it or vise versa.

[WYR3]

its the same as going over to someones house to try a game isnt it?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by WYR3:

im in an argument with a friend over whether or not it is legal to let someone else buy a game that i can play via a different friend's pc via proxy to try it or vise versa.

There is no "law" against this.

Family Sharing does this.

[WYR3]

that's what i thought, thank you for your input on the argument.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by WYR3:

that's what i thought, thank you for your input on the argument.

If your not using family sharing and letting your friend access your account though your opening yourself up to violations of their rules.

Using family share as its been stated is fine even if its not in the spirit of what it was meant for.

[WYR3]

yes i think i understand. Thank you as well for the response.

[Sazzouu]

It would be the same as asking "Is it illegal to let someone sit on your computer and play some games?"

The answer pretty obvisously is no

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Sazzouu #AgeCheckNow!:

It would be the same as asking "Is it illegal to let someone sit on your computer and play some games?"

The answer pretty obvisously is no

It's not illegal but that is actually against the terms of service and theoretically could get your account shut down.

In the real world however its just ignored as there is no way to prove and something they live with, but it is against steams TOS to let others play your games that way

[Sazzouu]

Originally posted by brian9824:

It's not illegal but that is actually against the terms of service and theoretically could get your account shut down.

Nope. The only thing Valve states about that in their subscribers agreement is that they free themselves from any responsibility about your account or their information being disclosed by a third party with or without your knowledge.

The only reason for actual existance of this paragraph is basically to prevent lawsuits based on lost account data because of mindless account sharing or anything else that is obviously not Valves fault. There is a reason why things such as "Family View" exist

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Sazzouu #AgeCheckNow!:

Originally posted by brian9824:

It's not illegal but that is actually against the terms of service and theoretically could get your account shut down.

Nope. The only thing Valve states about that in their subscribers agreement is that they free themselves from any responsibility about your account or their information being disclosed by a third party with or without your knowledge.

The only reason for actual existance of this paragraph is basically to prevent lawsuits based on lost account data because of mindless account sharing or anything else that is obviously not Valves fault. There is a reason why things such as "Family View" exist

Suggest you read it again, explicitly states that letting ANYONE else use your account is against the TOS. Hence why family sharing exists as it lets people share games without letting them access your account.

You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve.

Others cannot use your account. Someone playing a game on your account would be someone else using it obviously......

If you haven't read the agreement please don't go giving people incorrect advice.

[Sazzouu]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Suggest you read it again, explicitly states that letting ANYONE else use your account is against the TOS.

You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve.

I don't see an explicit prohibition of sharing accounts there. They state that you "may" refrain from doing so unless they authorize you. One situation where I have seen such an explicit authorization was when a local news studio asked Valve for the best way of getting their studio set up for playtesting. Valve then encouraged them to create a separate playtest account for their studio to use those reviewer licenses since those most likely get revoked after the playtest period anyways.

But actual sharing is NOT explicitly prohibited. Also next time don't quote out of context. Quote the entire paragraph...

You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve. You are responsible for the confidentiality of your login and password and for the security of your computer system. Valve is not responsible for the use of your password and Account or for all of the communication and activity on Steam that results from use of your login name and password by you, or by any person to whom you may have intentionally or by negligence disclosed your login and/or password in violation of this confidentiality provision.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Hence why family sharing exists as it lets people share games without letting them access your account.

Thank you for obviously showcasing that you are entirely unaware of what I am talking about...

We encourage you to create a Steam account with your child. If there are features of Steam that you would like to exclude from the experience, you can restrict access using Family View. You may also choose to enable Family View on your own Steam account if you would rather share your Steam Account.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5149-EOPC-9918&l=english

Family Sharing =/= Family View
I mean it LITERALLY talks about account sharing here...

[WYR3]

so in the steam tos regarding the issue i found this
"Your Account, including any information pertaining to it (e.g.: contact information, billing information, Account history and Subscriptions, etc.), is strictly personal. You may therefore not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) or as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve."
which, if i understood correctly means we cant charge someone to use or just open the account. This means that allowing a friend to remote play an instance of a single player game is within non tos-breaking area as no free access has been granted regarding any relevant information besides access to games. right?