Összes téma > Steam fórumok > Steam Discussions > Téma részletei
Ez a téma zárolásra került
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:13
. ..
,,, ,,
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CyborgSlut; 2021. szept. 27., 11:57
E téma közzétevője a kérdése válaszának jelölt egy hozzászólást.
Kattints ide a hozzászólásra ugráshoz.
Eredetileg közzétette: JellyPuff:
You never had the ability to download older versions on Steam, unless the developer allowed you to via the use of beta-branch feature.

Well, sort of. You could get older versions, or "depots", though the Steam-console. But that isn't really news and is something VALVe has removed from the client a long time ago. It clearly wasn't intentional.

These days, people use "DepotDownloader" to get older versions of the game's they've purchased on Steam. Of course, this only works for as long as developers keep older version on Steam's database.

I do think, not having access to older versions of a game is a problem, especially for a transformative medium like videogames, which get patches all the time. Sometimes, it breaks the game, like with Control, which launched DRM-free, then got always-online DRM patched in months after launch.
Rockstar Games is the best example for a developer, that patches their games for the worse by removing content, usually music. Makes sense if you want to keep selling the game if licenses expire, but why should previous owners also get the shaft?
Then there's the speedrunning community, who may like to play on older versions, because of interesting techniques or certain categories only being possible due to glitches being fixed or other changes made.
Or just downpatch for fun. For example, i've played through the original version of Dark Souls II on v1.02 and miracle-builds were a totally different experience than in later versions.
< >
1–15/99 megjegyzés mutatása
Aachen 2021. szept. 25., 9:15 
Which game do you reference? There’s no removal of the branch system Valve makes available AFAIK.
#1
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:19 
"The latest Steam beta has added a feature that seemingly removes the ability for users to roll back game updates or play older versions of games on Steam. Under the new version, users cannot download depots of Steam games to play earlier updates of games they own"
#2
Tito Shivan 2021. szept. 25., 9:21 
2
Downloading older depots wasn't really a 'feature' more like a workaround.
Any dev who wants to can use their beta section to make available older builds of their games.
#3
Crazy Tiger 2021. szept. 25., 9:22 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
This is an important feature and without it steam loses much of its important foothold in the industry.
It's not actually a feature, but a loophole/workaround. One that apparently gets patched now.

It's quite a stretch to think the downloading of older depots is actually important for Steams foothold in the industry. :lunar2019deadpanpig:
#4
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:23 
Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:
Downloading older depots wasn't really a 'feature' more like a workaround.
Any dev who wants to can use their beta section to make available older builds of their games.
This is an unacceptable OPT IN.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CyborgSlut; 2021. szept. 25., 9:24
#5
Aachen 2021. szept. 25., 9:25 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
This is an unacceptable OPT IN retort.

It would seem the relevant workaround was seen as at least as unacceptable, to hazard a guess. :messagebottle:
#6
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:25 
Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
This is an important feature and without it steam loses much of its important foothold in the industry.
It's not actually a feature, but a loophole/workaround. One that apparently gets patched now.

It's quite a stretch to think the downloading of older depots is actually important for Steams foothold in the industry. :lunar2019deadpanpig:
Then you (and Valve) are woofully misunderstanding of what people cherish this platform for,
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CyborgSlut; 2021. szept. 25., 9:26
#7
Aachen 2021. szept. 25., 9:27 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
Then you (and Valve) are woofully misunderstanding of what people cherish this platform for,

O! I want to see your poll!
#8
The End 2021. szept. 25., 9:28 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:
It's not actually a feature, but a loophole/workaround. One that apparently gets patched now.

It's quite a stretch to think the downloading of older depots is actually important for Steams foothold in the industry. :lunar2019deadpanpig:
Then you (and Valve) are woofully misunderstanding of what people cherish this platform for,
Funny, how you are the only one so far, if itreally were what "people cherish this platform for,", I would have thought we would se a lot more noise about it.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: The End; 2021. szept. 25., 9:30
#9
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:29 
"Given the Option to download older versions of games on steam, How important is this to you?"
I think a poll would be a wonderful idea. Transparency and discussion can perhaps lead to resolutions that arent the current option.
#10
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:31 
The End eredeti hozzászólása:
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
Then you (and Valve) are woofully misunderstanding of what people cherish this platform for,
Funny, how you are the only one so far, if it were all of the comunity, I would have thought we would se a lot more noise about it.
Tell people they wont get to play older versions of games they have and they wont be so happy.
I found out due to a comment on a youtube livestream this morning.
Hopefully Valve sees this is a terrible mistake and dont submit this into the main branch
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CyborgSlut; 2021. szept. 25., 9:34
#11
Hennix 2021. szept. 25., 9:36 
never want to play a old version of a game
makes absolutly no sense for anybody
#12
CyborgSlut 2021. szept. 25., 9:39 
Hennix eredeti hozzászólása:
never want to play a old version of a game
makes absolutly no sense for anybody
People download older game versions, for speedrunning, for using on older hardware, archival and other purposes. Just because you fail to see the importance of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: CyborgSlut; 2021. szept. 25., 9:41
#13
Yasahi 2021. szept. 25., 10:13 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
People download older game versions, for speedrunning, for using on older hardware, archival and other purposes. Just because you fail to see the importance of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Speedrunning - a niche group and the ones that require older versions are only a portion of that already niche group of users. Not really something that a company will base their decisions on.

Old hardware - Valve will always move forward. Be that with supported OS or hardware. The same goes for devs. They won't keep updating old games that have reached maturity. Usually the new version isn't even more demanding on the hardware but might actually be lighter due to optimization.

Archival purposes - Not something Valve needs to cater to.

All your reasons are niche use cases and non-factors in the bigger picture.
#14
nullable 2021. szept. 25., 10:28 
SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
"Given the Option to download older versions of games on steam, How important is this to you?"
I think a poll would be a wonderful idea. Transparency and discussion can perhaps lead to resolutions that arent the current option.

Zero. In twenty some years of PC gaming I can't think of too many times where my problem was (best) solved or my needs met by running an older version of a game.

SubcriticalFailurePoint eredeti hozzászólása:
Hennix eredeti hozzászólása:
never want to play a old version of a game
makes absolutly no sense for anybody
People download older game versions, for speedrunning, for using on older hardware, archival and other purposes. Just because you fail to see the importance of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Sure. No one is saying people don't have reasons or arguments. But the people you are describing. Do they make up 1% of users or 10% of users? I mean what's the breakdown of the user base in your opinion of users who really depend on this feature?

Feeling really strongly about something and being able to project doesn't necessarily make it a universal or important issue. And I would argue Valve has a lot of visibility into user behavior, if a significant number of users were really using those features, and or they brought the value you seem to be arguing Valve would be much more aware of that than you. Which begs the question, why would they remove an important feature used by a significant minority (or majority) of users. Unless maybe that's not the case at all.

Just maybe it's a big deal for you and a handful of users, but not to hundreds of millions of users.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: nullable; 2021. szept. 25., 10:29
#15
< >
1–15/99 megjegyzés mutatása
Laponként: 1530 50

Összes téma > Steam fórumok > Steam Discussions > Téma részletei
Közzétéve: 2021. szept. 25., 9:13
Hozzászólások: 99
Új téma nyitása

Hozzászólási szabályok és irányelvek