New steam store UI

[Hayden]

Look at the new steam store!

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

Most people seemed to care about the new releases tab at the bottom and it's basically at the same length as before. So you just scroll down there to see what has gotten out. But this tab has been improved by showing small screenshots of the game so you can see what type of game it is. It wasn't like that before and it's now better.

That's an outright lie.

The "new releases" tab was moved TWO SCREENS on 1920x1080. I already linked you screenshots to the older store, you can easily verify it.

The elements in between increased at least by 1/3 in size (some almost 1/2).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

Same goes for the recommended at the top, it'll show bigger screenshots of the game and if you are not interested in any of those games you just select little option at top right and click on Not interested.

Do you understand that this "workaround" does NOT work in the long run? If you click Not Interested, Steam's algos adjust the displayed offerings to lower occurence of whatever the "Not Interested" game was tagged with.

So you end up eliminating similar recommendations in a genre that may be your favorite just to "eliminate" a layout issue.

Genius!

You know... I've been lurking here for a while, and every time people voice reasonable complaints I always see you in a "Steam is love, Steam is life" mode doing damage control on the forums. It's hard to take seriously somebody whose obstinance in refusing any factual evidence is akin to a religious fanatic.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

Not sure how you got to that conclusion but we who like Curators are far more than the people who dislike it.

Another bull statement. I already pointed out to you - the number of ACCOUNTS subscribed to Curators is a tiny faction of Steam's pool of accounts, even based solely on daily peak concurrent user number.

You have no effing idea how many of the "silent majority" dislike Curators, so at best you're making ♥♥♥♥ up with this claim.

And this is something I had already pointed out to you about 10 pages ago, so again "nah nah nah, what facts trololo"

This. This is why I hate corporate mouthpieces.

[Bansheedragon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DanteYoda:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

There is absolutely no information about any game so you just have to judge a book by it's cover and it's a massive waste of time. Having to click on every single game to see what it is about is so annoying.

I don't get how that is better than being able to see screenshots of a game.

Because it displays what it needs too, Deals on games. No stupid social media trending garbage and curators, just displays the sales once not four times like the last one did..

If a game looks ok i mouse over it and read, if there are no tags like rogue-like, moba, VR, multiplayer etc and it sounds ok i'll click it..

Sadly it still has the friends garbage..

No it does not show what it needs to, it only shows what Valve think needs to be shown.
And I dont know what this social media stuff you refer to are, but on the old store page you got a description of the game when you moused over it.
Now it only shows you an image with the name of the game, the mouse over description from the old page is gone, which is not useful at all.

[Bansheedragon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sheepify:

This. This is why I hate corporate mouthpieces.

He already made it clear a few pages back why he is defending steam.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

I'm defending the new Steam store UI because I like it. I don't want people like you to ruin it.

And I'm left with the distinct impression that he is using his status as a moderator to influence the feedback we are giving by claiming that we are are overreacting when we post negative feedback and our dislike for the new store page.

I can respect that he likes the new store ppage and dont want to see it changed.
What I will not tolerate is the impression he is giving that he is somehow using his status as a moderator to try and dismiss or downplay our dislike for the new page.

@Zefar
Before you come here and say that you are not doing what I just said.
This is not about what you say, but about the impression you are giving when you say it.
It may not be your intention, but it is what you are doing.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bansheedragon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sheepify:

This. This is why I hate corporate mouthpieces.

He already made it clear a few pages back why he is defending steam.

If you read the forums on any semi-regular basis, you will see Zefar defending, unconditionally, ANY change Steam introduces.

I ran into this with the previous storefront change, where he was loudly proclaiming how great and awesome all that bloat was (and to think I actually want THAT back now...).

Curators are good because 2million of the 120+ million Steam accounts that follow curators clearly support annoying everybody else with that. Extra advertisement is good because two more screens to scroll down is "no visible change"... Etc.

[frognik]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย frognik:

Show me the numbers.
Where are you getting your facts from?
From your previous posts you seem to be pulling everything out of your ass, perhaps you can provide hard evidence on those posts too?

http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators/

Just look at the amount of people who are using it. There are more people in any of the top 10 curators than there have been total post about how bad the curator system is. By easily 10 000 to 50 000 times more users.

People who hate stuff would most likely not be using it.

So TotalBiscuit has the most followers, 666461 to be precise.
666461 / 50000 ~= 13
There are only 13 people in the whole world that hate curators?

Stop talking ♥♥♥♥ unless you have some facts to back up your claims like for example an exact count of people that hate curators.

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[joridiculous]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย frognik:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators/

Just look at the amount of people who are using it. There are more people in any of the top 10 curators than there have been total post about how bad the curator system is. By easily 10 000 to 50 000 times more users.

People who hate stuff would most likely not be using it.

So TotalBiscuit has the most followers, 666461 to be precise.
666461 / 50000 ~= 13
There are only 13 people in the whole world that hate curators?

Stop talking ♥♥♥♥ unless you have some facts to back up your claims like for example an exact count of people that hate curators.

^

Curators is useless. It was a fun thing when it was introduced but that was it. No practical use for curators what so ever, unless you really love the spam on the store page.

[Ran02.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hayden:

Look at the new steam store!

Nice

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย frognik:

So TotalBiscuit has the most followers, 666461 to be precise.
666461 / 50000 ~= 13
There are only 13 people in the whole world that hate curators?

Stop talking ♥♥♥♥ unless you have some facts to back up your claims like for example an exact count of people that hate curators.

I'm comparing the numbers to the total amount of negative threads there was about Curators when it actually showed up.
There where about 3-4 massive threads but even with that you need to multiply it by thousand to ten thousand times to get up to just the top curator on Steam.

So the amount of people who use it compared to the amount of people who has complained about it here are so much larger that it makes you a vocal minority.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย joridiculous:

Curators is useless. It was a fun thing when it was introduced but that was it. No practical use for curators what so ever, unless you really love the spam on the store page.

Far from it, the 30 FPS Curator is a good way to spot 30 FPS trash on the store page. Well now it's harder because it's hidden all the way to the bottom.

[PocketYoda]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย frognik:

Show me the numbers.
Where are you getting your facts from?
From your previous posts you seem to be pulling everything out of your ass, perhaps you can provide hard evidence on those posts too?

http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators/

Just look at the amount of people who are using it. There are more people in any of the top 10 curators than there have been total post about how bad the curator system is. By easily 10 000 to 50 000 times more users.

People who hate stuff would most likely not be using it.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DanteYoda:

Because it displays what it needs too, Deals on games. No stupid social media trending garbage and curators, just displays the sales once not four times like the last one did..

If a game looks ok i mouse over it and read, if there are no tags like rogue-like, moba, VR, multiplayer etc and it sounds ok i'll click it..

Sadly it still has the friends garbage..

But it displays nothing about what the game is. Cover arts are used as advertising for the game but the game itself is most likely utter trash. With Screenshots I could easily tell how bad it is.

Thats why you click on the game that looks interesting or mouse over it and read...

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

I'm comparing the numbers to the total amount of negative threads there was about Curators when it actually showed up.
There where about 3-4 massive threads but even with that you need to multiply it by thousand to ten thousand times to get up to just the top curator on Steam.

So the amount of people who use it compared to the amount of people who has complained about it here are so much larger that it makes you a vocal minority.

How many times will you pull out this fallacious corellation, Zefar?

Again, there are over 120 million Steam accounts. By your own admission, there is about 2 million accounts actually using Curators. Let's be generous and round that up to 3 million. Let's even assume that all the Curators subscriptions are unique (and they certainly are not because one account can easily be subscribed to quite a number of individual "curators).

Do you know how much, percentage-wise, is that?

Less than 2.5% of Steam accounts are subscribed to Curators, even assuming each subscription on a Curator page to be unique account

Just because most people have better things to do than pointlessly complain about a feature does NOT make it a hit with them. Again, going my anecdotal evidence among my peers, most would prefer to get rid of curators altogether.

[PocketYoda]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sheepify:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

I'm comparing the numbers to the total amount of negative threads there was about Curators when it actually showed up.
There where about 3-4 massive threads but even with that you need to multiply it by thousand to ten thousand times to get up to just the top curator on Steam.

So the amount of people who use it compared to the amount of people who has complained about it here are so much larger that it makes you a vocal minority.

How many times will you pull out this fallacious corellation, Zefar?

Again, there are over 120 million Steam accounts. By your own admission, there is about 2 million accounts actually using Curators. Let's be generous and round that up to 3 million. Let's even assume that all the Curators subscriptions are unique (and they certainly are not because one account can easily be subscribed to quite a number of individual "curators).

Do you know how much, percentage-wise, is that?

Less than 2.5% of Steam accounts are subscribed to Curators, even assuming each subscription on a Curator page to be unique account

Just because most people have better things to do than pointlessly complain about a feature does NOT make it a hit with them. Again, going my anecdotal evidence among my peers, most would prefer to get rid of curators altogether.

If you don't use curators at all which most don't obviously why would anyone believe those curator numbers aren't all the same accounts just following the curators..
Its obviously mostly the same accounts all following the curators, the majority don't give a damn one way or another..

Source... Common sense

[Severus]

I just avoid the store page unless i know what i want beforehand , its to strainful on the eyes browsing through that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a layout

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย frognik:

Show me the numbers.
Where are you getting your facts from?
From your previous posts you seem to be pulling everything out of your ass, perhaps you can provide hard evidence on those posts too?

http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators/

Just look at the amount of people who are using it. There are more people in any of the top 10 curators than there have been total post about how bad the curator system is. By easily 10 000 to 50 000 times more users.

People who hate stuff would most likely not be using it.

I know I will probably get banned again for "Insults are still not tolerated" but here I go again.

What do you define as "using" curators? Sure people are following them but look at the amount of comments on those pages. Total Biscut, who is the largest curator gets only around 50-60 comments per thing and about 20 likes. A lot of people followed curators because it was new and we wanted to see what it was. Since we are not notified about it almost everyone forgot about it. Even then a lot of people either can't afford a game reccomended or don't like the game.

I don't know if your basing the amount of people thawt use it off of views per page (which I couldnt find by the way) or followers, but the amount of people that actually view the pages seems to be very low.

Also can someone tell me how I insulted Zefar 3 days ago? All I got was "Insults are still not tolerated" which doesnt really explain much and seems like, due to how it is written and how my last ban was because of a sarcastic post, it was meant for a different user.

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DanteYoda:

Thats why you click on the game that looks interesting or mouse over it and read...

That tells me nothing of the game. Screenshots will show me everything I need and it does it far quicker than having to wait a second for a information screen showing up.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sheepify:

How many times will you pull out this fallacious corellation, Zefar?

Again, there are over 120 million Steam accounts. By your own admission, there is about 2 million accounts actually using Curators. Let's be generous and round that up to 3 million. Let's even assume that all the Curators subscriptions are unique (and they certainly are not because one account can easily be subscribed to quite a number of individual "curators).

Do you know how much, percentage-wise, is that?

Less than 2.5% of Steam accounts are subscribed to Curators, even assuming each subscription on a Curator page to be unique account

Just because most people have better things to do than pointlessly complain about a feature does NOT make it a hit with them. Again, going my anecdotal evidence among my peers, most would prefer to get rid of curators altogether.

Do you know how many people complain about the curators? Less than 1% of the amount of people using it. These are the people who want it removed. The rest of the people just do not care.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CanadaBall:

I know I will probably get banned again for "Insults are still not tolerated" but here I go again.

Insulting users will get you banned, if you do not insult users you will not get banned. It doesn't matter which it is from and I've already banned another guy who insulted people who complained about it in another thread.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CanadaBall:

What do you define as "using" curators? Sure people are following them but look at the amount of comments on those pages. Total Biscut, who is the largest curator gets only around 50-60 comments per thing and about 20 likes. A lot of people followed curators because it was new and we wanted to see what it was. Since we are not notified about it almost everyone forgot about it. Even then a lot of people either can't afford a game reccomended or don't like the game.

Following a Curator is using it. They don't need to spam the chat box or press the like button. This is like claiming people are not using Steam if they don't use every single feature it offer.

The one Curator I care the most about is the 30 FPS one but I'm not in any need to post or like anything in the group. I'm still using it.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CanadaBall:

I don't know if your basing the amount of people thawt use it off of views per page (which I couldnt find by the way) or followers, but the amount of people that actually view the pages seems to be very low.

I'm basing it on the amount of followers. Then I compare that number to the amount of people who absolutely hate Curator system that posts here to get rid of it.

You become a minority in this case.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CanadaBall:

Also can someone tell me how I insulted Zefar 3 days ago? All I got was "Insults are still not tolerated" which doesnt really explain much and seems like, due to how it is written and how my last ban was because of a sarcastic post, it was meant for a different user.

Calling someone a ♥♥♥♥ is an insult. Like how much more obvious can it get? You also said "I'm probably gonna get banned for this" and it should be enough for you to figure out what got you banned.