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So if they were to use Che Guevara avatars that would be ok unstead?
LOL you like history? BANNED!!
I do wish this absurdist politically correct climate will pass eventually. I'm afraid even teaching about nazis ever existing will in the future get you thrown in jail for wrong think.
And now OP called his friends to defend this thread?
Guilt by association eh?? How Mccarthy of you.
Listen here, as someone who lives in a former communist nation from the eastern block I know of plenty of people personally whose families suffered from the hands of communists. I know of their grandparents wealth being stolen and of friends and family being threatened by ideologues in those times.
I've learned of the past terror of potentially saying the wrong thing and the climate of mistrust that is still felt to this day.
And don't get me started on what that time period did to people's faith in the system of governance.
And yet I still think Katyusha is beautiful. The flag with the hammer and sickle of the Soviet Union is pretty brilliant from a design perspective. And that the art and aesthetic even if made for propaganda, military or w/e nationalistic purposes I can still appreciate it.
Maybe it's because I was born after communism disapeared but I don't understand the moronic sentiment of associating guilt with merely liking art or aesthetics.
Unless of course you are out on a witch hunt and there aren't any witches on hand so you go for the next best thing.
I didn't say what you can or can't post fella. I don't moderate the Arma gamehub. And I didn't call you racist either bud. You called yourself that. Although, I'm not sure why you take offense to avatar/profile pictures of Nazis being called Nazis. If they didn't want to be known as a ♥♥♥♥ then they shouldn't have been Nazis.
I gave up on this thread when davidb11 told Kelthorian to stop making stuff up...i mean denying what Happened in the Eastern Block countries under the grip of Communism is pretty messed up tbh...or denying what happened in Mao´s Communist Regime..
Anyways my friends are free to do whatever they feel like,as is everyone, if they wish to add to the discussion or topic they can do it.
Having said all of this the purpose of the thread has been served and i reckon an admin or mod will close it eventually.
And yet I don't see weekly threads about people complaining of others using communist symbols or aesthetics.
Even if by the rules they are (I sort of doubt that) the general sentiment is that one is FAAARRRR worse than the other. One is routinely asked why it isn't banned yet when it is spotted. And I would bet my life on the fact that enforcement reflects that opinion.
Shame most of my grandparents are dead I would love to tell them how the lenient the west is nowadays to the people that made them suffer.
Wise Words @Kelthorian
I didn't say that OP was "guilty" of anything. I simply pointed out that he has quite a few Steam friends with profile avatars of ♥♥♥♥ soldiers and officers. I'm not calling for him to be hauled off. I'm not a mod for the Arma gamehub and I didn't censor his "historical fanart" so if you want to accuse people of being "McCarthyists" then you should trot over to the Arma gamehub and direct your outrage there.
1) WWII was the most recent war that put humanity in great turmoil. Therefore ♥♥♥♥ Germany receives harsher criticism because our most up-to-date moral and ethical standards can be applied more relevantly compared to other objectively worse, historical atrocities in the past.
2) Jews have a great influence in the western world so they successfully constructed a narrative that paints ♥♥♥♥ Germany as evil as possible. We have been conditioned to reactionarily virtue signal and denounce Nazism whenever we see it and to take a moral high ground with so much ease.
3) Officially, Nazis don't exist anymore but communist regimes still exist to this day so people are generally more careful not to offend the existing people. Since Nazis are no more threats, we can mock them all we like. But CCP, North Korea, Vietnam, for example, are still "potential enemies" that can be an imminent threat to world peace so no factions are bold enough provoke them by making claims that would make them look outright bad. Therefore, the leniency on communism in many cultures and policies is partly due to our own existentialism. Not to mention that they are great business partners from the perspectives of neoliberalism and other -isms alike.
4) The legitimacy of communist parties are justified in many countries' politics due to the so-called social justice and egalitarianism they purportedly value.
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By no means, I am defending What Nazis did, but it would be completely wrong, intellectually dishonest or ignorant to say that Communism is actually better or more innocent than Nazis.
What some of you don't seem to realize is that Communism's biggest influence is even more recent than Nazis' fascistic deeds, and it is still ongoing. This means that Communism deserves even more scrutiny and criticisms accordingly by our current moral standards. Also, attempting to bring up historical atrocities and massacres before the World War era to make communism look slightly better, meanwhile equating Nazis to other historical atrocities would be considered false equivalence.
From "Cultural Revolution" in China and elsewhere to the Korean War to violation of basic human rights in CCP even in today, you can't fathom how many lives have been wasted worldwide. In a span of many decades, Communism has been more destructive than what the Nazis literally did. That is a hard fact.
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To OP,
Gotta just suck it up because we live in this imperfect world. Personally, I would use or associate myself with neither USSR nor the ♥♥♥♥ symbol.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Gulag-Archipelago
the Chinese right now with forced organ harvesting, re-education camps, forced abortions, etc is itself pretty evil.
Are you serious? You think that Nazis being perceived as evil is because "the Jews" conspired to make them out to be the bad guys, you know, just for systematically murdering 6 million plus Jewish people, black people, disabled people, etc. You're defending the poor, misunderstood Nazis? Wow bud.
I just finished reading that book a second time. And I facepalm when I see the word gulag used casually, as I have at times in various Steam forums.
The US & Canada have been equally ugly, newcomers committing genocide, both physical & societal, on those who inhabited NA before them. Australia isn't innocent, & neither is Europe; one of my ancestors was Charlemagne, who was responsible, via his edicts, for the slaughter of thousands who wouldn't be compelled to change their beliefs.
I personally can see no beauty in any symbol of oppression, as to do so, I would have to view the object as though it had no associations, which I would not choose to do. That in itself, to my way of thinking, would be a form of denial.
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Agreed. People often go too far in their attempts to support their own agendas.