Family sharing, one-game-at-a-time limit doesn't make sense

[gamegame44332211]

When the steam library is shared, only one game can be played at the same time.
So if A is play in PC-A then B on PC-B cannot play any other games at the same time.

That doesn't make sense.

If I owned a physical copies of all those games, I should be able to share those games freely with my friends and family. The only limit would be not able to play the same game at the same time.

What happen now is as if I lent one of my game-disc to my friend, then when he/she is playing that single game, all my other game-disc are mysteriously locked, wth?

[Brian9824]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

Library and account are equitative terms in this discussion.

But most important: In regards this discussion your 'Library' is a unitary object. You cannot share parts of your library like you cannot share songs of an album or chapters in a book. Only one person can make use of the item at the same time.


You can gift games to other accounts.


You buy one kid AC and the other one The Infected. In the long run they'll be more thankful they have their own libraries.

I'd say "this is the stupidest" of all the things posted thus far - but what is really going on: you don't have kids. You have no idea what you're talking about. I SHOULD NOT have to have separate libraries. I don't care how many songs are on an album - the albums are all in the same box - not to mention the entire family can listen to all the songs AT THE SAME TIME.

I want to play TWO DIFFERENT games at the same time and scroll up - I'm NOT starting 17 libraries on 23 devices - all having the same credit card numbers ANYWAY.

Then live with the restrictions as they aren't changing. If your unhappy with the rules you agreed to your are free to go to another service but you won't find any that will do what you want for a reason.....

[FOXDUDE69]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

"Account" continues to be used in place of "Library." This is not an account issue.
And... back about 30 posts ago... my daughter and I do NOT share an account and it is NOT "like" that in any way.

I don't know why many of you seem to be crusading for Valve, in the name of an out-of-date platform. I have my suspicions you're simply here to confuse the issue. If you like the way things are, be on your way, go... enjoy

This is about Family-Sharing, Valve trapped in time and apparently DRM.

It's 2022
Your DRM approach to any of this?
Apple, Spotify, Netflix, Disney - on and on and on and on AND ON - have family-sharing. I won't argue exact prices with you but generally a single subscription is $15 and family subscriptions are $20.. or whatever the price/increase structure may be.

Don't bother telling me "games" are in a category all by themselves. Sounds lonely.
This entire household can all listen to the same song on multiple devices.
Same with movies.. same with TV shows. All purchased. All legal. All the time. Any time.
And for that matter - I don't even want to share the same game with my family. It's THE OTHER GAMES. Valve has essentially rendered all other devices in the home unusable as far as Valve is concerned.

It has to stop. Valve has to change.
And unless you work for Valve, why would you get involved? We don't need your personal opinion about how your life is wonderful. You have no skin in this game. Why must you watch yourself type all this nonsense?

Valve needs to change. Period. Different ACCOUNTS need to be able to use different devices to use - not even the SAME but - DIFFERENT games. Valve doesn't think so.
Valve needs to change.

What you're trying to tell me is - I should walk around the house inputting my credit card numbers into 17 different devices. And for children no less. Yes! I buy the games! One kid wants to play Assassin's Creed and one kid wants to play The Infected. Valve won't allow this.
That's what this is about. Valve needs to change.

If you don't "think so" and you don't WORK for Valve then feel free to go find a thread about how much you love not having a family and not sharing with your own children.

This is to let Valve know: you need to change!

Don't take it personally, mate.

These people just oppose any suggestion as a default, I've seen them doing this for 2+ years.
If they had their way, Steam would be a stagnant, never-evolving platform.
A great deal of regulars refer to them as "bad actors" as their "arguments" are often irrelevant, child-like, made in bad faith or downright nonsensical.

I'd give you the same advice others game me, block them. Otherwise they'll keep attempting to drag you into nonsensical debates, which eventually lead to threads being locked.
They like to blame others for threads being locked but they are the only constant in threads that got locked because they "devolved into a non-constructive discussion".

That said, it's not just streaming services that made sharing easy, sharing your digital library on consoles has been easy since the 7th console generation, that is a console generation that technically started in 2005, so Valve is 17 years behind some of their competitors in regards to family sharing. Family sharing on GOG is not an issue because games are DRM free and we are still waiting to see how EPIC will handle that feature as it is still not yet implemented, I believe.

It would be really nice if Steam improved their family sharing, as it is, consoles still provide a better alternative if you have one or more children.

[bones3dfc]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

I'd say "this is the stupidest" of all the things posted thus far - but what is really going on: you don't have kids. You have no idea what you're talking about. I SHOULD NOT have to have separate libraries. I don't care how many songs are on an album - the albums are all in the same box - not to mention the entire family can listen to all the songs AT THE SAME TIME.

I want to play TWO DIFFERENT games at the same time and scroll up - I'm NOT starting 17 libraries on 23 devices - all having the same credit card numbers ANYWAY.

Then live with the restrictions as they aren't changing. If your unhappy with the rules you agreed to your are free to go to another service but you won't find any that will do what you want for a reason.....

Last word.. Last word.. Last word
You just proved my original point for me -Valve! if it's too difficult to purchase two different games on two different computers then NO PURCHASES. None. Great suggestion. All this arguing so you can turn down profit for Valve. You're doing great.

[Brian9824]

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't take it personally, mate.

These people just oppose any suggestion as a default, I've seen them doing this for 2+ years.
If they had their way, Steam would be a stagnant, never-evolving platform.
A great deal of regulars refer to them as "bad actors" as their "arguments" are often irrelevant, child-like, made in bad faith or downright nonsensical.

I'd give you the same advice others game me, block them. Otherwise they'll keep attempting to drag you into nonsensical debates, which eventually lead to threads being locked.
They like to blame others for threads being locked but they are the only constant in threads that got locked because they "devolved into a non-constructive discussion".

That said, it's not just streaming services that made sharing easy, sharing your digital library on consoles has been easy since the 7th console generation, that is a console generation that technically started in 2005, so Valve is 17 years behind some of their competitors in regards to family sharing. Family sharing on GOG is not an issue because games are DRM free and we are still waiting to see how EPIC will handle that feature as it is still not yet implemented, I believe.

It would be really nice if Steam improved their family sharing, as it is, consoles still provide a better alternative if you have one or more children.

Except you were already proven wrong, and explained why consoles and PC licensing work very different. There is a reason every PC store works one way, and why you can't share games on

Epic
Battle.net
Microsoft
Uplay
Origin
etc

Consoles operate differently because your locked into their ecosystem with their hardware. You aren't locked into steam by buying a game on steam, and you can use your PC to buy games on Epic, or anywhere else.

Yet good luck buying a steam game, or an xbox game on your PS5......

Constantly repeating wrong information doesn't make it right...

[Brian9824]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Then live with the restrictions as they aren't changing. If your unhappy with the rules you agreed to your are free to go to another service but you won't find any that will do what you want for a reason.....

Last word.. Last word.. Last word
You just proved my original point for me -Valve! if it's too difficult to purchase two different games on two different computers then NO PURCHASES. None. Great suggestion. All this arguing so you can turn down profit for Valve. You're doing great.

Great, glad we could help. Good luck finding a PC store that does what you want. Please let us know how your search goes...

[Brian9824]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Great, glad we could help. Good luck finding a PC store that does what you want. Please let us know how your search goes...

Why would I let you know where you and your supposed family can play games? You apparently are happy all by yourself. And presumably, when you're angry, you take all your toys out of the sandbox and you go home. Which is where your mommy will make you a samich and actually listen to your nonsense.

oh I already know the limitations of all the sites, hence why i know your going to find the same or more severe restrictions everywhere on PC. It sounds like you should stick to consoles and not deal with PC gaming as your not happy with how the licensing works for PC games.

[Boblin the Goblin]

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't take it personally, mate.

These people just oppose any suggestion as a default, I've seen them doing this for 2+ years.
If they had their way, Steam would be a stagnant, never-evolving platform.
A great deal of regulars refer to them as "bad actors" as their "arguments" are often irrelevant, child-like, made in bad faith or downright nonsensical.

I'd give you the same advice others game me, block them. Otherwise they'll keep attempting to drag you into nonsensical debates, which eventually lead to threads being locked.
They like to blame others for threads being locked but they are the only constant in threads that got locked because they "devolved into a non-constructive discussion".

Ah yes, the classic passive aggressive insults from the account who has had his own threads deleted and locked because he decided to insult others.

In fact, you just had inflammatory comments of yours deleted a few days ago.

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

That said, it's not just streaming services that made sharing easy, sharing your digital library on consoles has been easy since the 7th console generation, that is a console generation that technically started in 2005, so Valve is 17 years behind some of their competitors in regards to family sharing. Family sharing on GOG is not an issue because games are DRM free and we are still waiting to see how EPIC will handle that feature as it is still not yet implemented, I believe.

It would be really nice if Steam improved their family sharing, as it is, consoles still provide a better alternative if you have one or more children.

You don't seem to get that consoles are completely different. Or actually, you seem to completely ignore it so you can act like it's an argument.

GoG has it in their ToS you can't account share. Epic does not allow account sharing and has no plans on their roadmap to add any type of sharing.

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

A great deal of regulars refer to them as "bad actors" as their "arguments" are often irrelevant, child-like, made in bad faith or downright nonsensical.

*chef's kiss*
Beautiful.

[Brian9824]

Yep, there isn't a PC store that lets you account share, Valve is the only one and the only reason the dev's on Steam agreed to it is because the restrictions limit any damage. Plus of course that every dev is free to opt out of family sharing at any time with no notice.

[bones3dfc]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

Why would I let you know where you and your supposed family can play games? You apparently are happy all by yourself. And presumably, when you're angry, you take all your toys out of the sandbox and you go home. Which is where your mommy will make you a samich and actually listen to your nonsense.

oh I already know the limitations of all the sites, hence why i know your going to find the same or more severe restrictions everywhere on PC. It sounds like you should stick to consoles and not deal with PC gaming as your not happy with how the licensing works for PC games.

You're not even talking about the same thing. You are nonsensical.

2 different computers. 2 different games. 2 different accounts. Should both be "allowed" to play at the same time. Valve says no. Valve is wrong.

[Boblin the Goblin]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Yep, there isn't a PC store that lets you account share, Valve is the only one and the only reason the dev's on Steam agreed to it is because the restrictions limit any damage. Plus of course that every dev is free to opt out of family sharing at any time with no notice.

Hey now, that's being a "bad actor" and using a "child-like, bad faith, and nonsensical" argument.

But yes, no other PC gaming store allows unrestricted sharing of accounts. GoG outright says if they suspect you are doing it, they will terminate your account.

[Brian9824]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

oh I already know the limitations of all the sites, hence why i know your going to find the same or more severe restrictions everywhere on PC. It sounds like you should stick to consoles and not deal with PC gaming as your not happy with how the licensing works for PC games.

You're not even talking about the same thing. You are nonsensical.

2 different computers. 2 different games. 2 different accounts. Should both be "allowed" to play at the same time. Valve says no. Valve is wrong.

They are allowed. when you family share you aren't playing games on 2 accounts though, you are using the same account.....

Your just letting account B use account A without having to sign into it every time you want to access it. Family sharing just lets people SHARE AN ACCOUNT without having to sign out and login to that account.

Its still multiple people using the same account.

[Boblin the Goblin]

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

oh I already know the limitations of all the sites, hence why i know your going to find the same or more severe restrictions everywhere on PC. It sounds like you should stick to consoles and not deal with PC gaming as your not happy with how the licensing works for PC games.

You're not even talking about the same thing. You are nonsensical.

2 different computers. 2 different games. 2 different accounts. Should both be "allowed" to play at the same time. Valve says no. Valve is wrong.

Every other PC store also says "no". So I guess everyone is wrong.

[Brian9824]

KittenGrindr eredeti hozzászólása:

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

You're not even talking about the same thing. You are nonsensical.

2 different computers. 2 different games. 2 different accounts. Should both be "allowed" to play at the same time. Valve says no. Valve is wrong.

Every other PC store also says "no". So I guess everyone is wrong.

He is very confused and ignores that he is still trying to play 2 games from the same account at once which isn't allowed.

2 different PC's, 2 different games, 2 different accounts is fine, but family sharing isn't using 2 different accounts. Its trying to play 2 different games FROM THE SAME ACCOUNT, hence the sharing part. So it has restrictions.

of course he's also repeatedly ignored that he can just launch steam in offline mode on the 2nd account and his issue would be solved... So at this point he appears to want to argue for the sake of arguing rather then solving an issue.

[Boblin the Goblin]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

KittenGrindr eredeti hozzászólása:

Every other PC store also says "no". So I guess everyone is wrong.

He is very confused and ignores that he is still trying to play 2 games from the same account at once which isn't allowed.

2 different PC's, 2 different games, 2 different accounts is fine, but family sharing isn't using 2 different accounts. Its trying to play 2 different games FROM THE SAME ACCOUNT, hence the sharing part. So it has restrictions.

of course he's also repeatedly ignored that he can just launch steam in offline mode on the 2nd account and his issue would be solved... So at this point he appears to want to argue for the sake of arguing rather then solving an issue.

It's the same thing in the Steam Deck forums.

"It isn't account sharing, I'm on both devices!"

While they completely ignore the other threads of people literally wanting their friend to be able to play the Deck why they play on PC. You know, sharing their account.

[Mad Scientist]

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't take it personally, mate.

These people just oppose any suggestion as a default, I've seen them doing this for 2+ years.
If they had their way, Steam would be a stagnant, never-evolving platform.
A great deal of regulars refer to them as "bad actors" as their "arguments" are often irrelevant, child-like, made in bad faith or downright nonsensical.

I'd give you the same advice others game me, block them. Otherwise they'll keep attempting to drag you into nonsensical debates, which eventually lead to threads being locked.
They like to blame others for threads being locked but they are the only constant in threads that got locked because they "devolved into a non-constructive discussion".

Please leave your off topic self caused personal issues with moderation and other users out of the thread instead of trying to derail another thread and bait users into arguments as usual.

FOXDOOD eredeti hozzászólása:

It would be really nice if Steam improved their family sharing, as it is, consoles still provide a better alternative if you have one or more children.

Consoles are more as-is and still restrict to one copy at a time generally. They typically also do not have all of the immense benefits of playing on a PC. Remember, it's a store based client; the goal is to sell stuff, not to rent out accounts.

bones3dfc eredeti hozzászólása:

2 different computers. 2 different games. 2 different accounts. Should both be "allowed" to play at the same time. Valve says no. Valve is wrong.

It's their service & system, thus it is their choice. They chose to not allow numerous active sharing to prevent account sharing and overall abuse. That is not "wrong" and it also has the interest of everyone partnering to sell on their store.