A client for older operating system that just downloads and playing on older operating systems

[XeneoMorph]

So I like to play games but there are games so broken on windows 10 and cause all sort of issues due to the fact they were never meant for xp. Their should be a client that should just be simple that all it does is download and playing games on xp like older total wars games which have all sort of issues on modern operating system but on xp it does have issues but it should work fine without crashing. This is just a lame example but we have a huge library of older games and trying to get them to work on windows 10 is a hassle and just adding back older operating system support from xp-7 will allow people to play these games on the operating system it was released for.

Edit: I am not asking for a client that has social or buying features, I am asking for a client that you just sign in then you only download your game then play it

Edit 2: Stop ♥♥♥♥ing arguing with each other jesus christ your all acting like animals. I'm sorry fpr you guys but this whole argument just a ♥♥♥♥ing warzone which seriously you should stop this. I'm just asking for a client just released very little maintenance and all it does is download games and just play them on older operating system like xp not a ♥♥♥♥ing argument about legality and ♥♥♥♥ but just a suggestion on a client for that and I'm not expecting security for the users as the operating system is out of date but at least have some support on it as there are a lot of windows xp games still on the store or in people's library that went off sale but it's still in their libraries like Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse which works fine on older operating system but on windows 10 I heard it's a hassle to get running. This is an example of why there should be some support people still owns games in their library that were removed from the steam store that have a hard time running on windows 10. I'm only asking for just that client nothing more then less so stop adding in gog and other ♥♥♥♥ that has nothing to do with a client for older operating systems.

[CouchPowerS]

Tito Shivan,
▶️ Google provides a ✔️ browser running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.
▶️ Ubisoft provides a ✔️game client running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.
▶️ Valve actively and intentionally blocked the use of any version of the ❌ client under Windows XP. Without any rational reason, Valve arbitrarily prevented anyone with Windows XP from accessing their library purchased for Windows XP.

Sooner or later, Valve will do the same with Windows 7 (officially discontinued system from Microsoft). It is unacceptable for me to never have access to my game library on this computer with Windows 7 I'm writing from, just because Valve decided to destroy Windows 7! Valve will block access. For games that run under Windows 7, just because Valve has decided that it no longer wants Windows 7 customers, it will make the game library inaccessible to them.


The question will be simple:
Why Valve has been selling services on Windows XP for x years and suddenly prevented these customers from using them on their Windows XP?
What is the reason for Valve to actively prevent customers from accessing the licenses they have purchased on Windows XP, where games still work, but Valve actively prevents their use (actively blocked access to all older clients)?

Here, Valve can list why it does not provide a version compatible with Windows XP and why from June 5, 2020 it actively blocked logging on to older versions and thus definitely actively blocked everyone from accessing the game library on Windows XP.


If you don't see the difference, that's not my problem. My request is, let Valve know! This is the official discussion forum. I can open a private request through support, but here it is public, available to anyone. This will be attached as proof of Valve's arbitrariness and his steam service. I don't need to prove my truth. Valve will prove the validity, not the customers.


I don't think I have anything more to add. I have a video of how Windows XP works. How Google Chrome works, how Uplay works and how Steam does not work. As a Valve one day it will block libraries for Windows 7 users. Just like that. Because they can.

I have a 98% complete game. Thanks to Valve's arbitrary decision to block older clients, I can't finish it. It can claim to use a different client, a different operating system.
If it works out, Valve will have to rationally justify restricting certain groups of customers due to their operating system, where it used to work so that they would then deinitively actively block it. We will see. Writing a complaint is not that difficult. Nor send it to hundreds of email addresses of MEPs.

Have a nice weekend.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

▶️ Ubisoft provides a ✔️game client running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.

Yet Ubisoft clearly lists that XP is unsupported. So no, they don't actively offer it.

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

The question will be simple:
Why Valve has been selling services on Windows XP for x years and suddenly prevented these customers from using them on their Windows XP?
What is the reason for Valve to actively prevent customers from accessing the licenses they have purchased on Windows XP, where games still work, but Valve actively prevents their use (actively blocked access to all older clients)?

Because at that time XP was there and supported. Now it isn't anymore.

They block the older ones because they're unsupported by various parties. Even newer games are not supporting the old client anymore (Borderlands 3 needs the new UI, otherwise it won't run).

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

I don't think I have anything more to add.

Actually, you do. How about you provide evidence for your claims that customer rights have been violated? So far anything you posted is in the camp of "I want", which does not equal violated consumer rights.

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Clear violation of customer rights.

Please provide clear evidence where it's listed in the rights that companies have to support an unsupported OS and that what Valve did is against those rights.

[Tito Shivan]

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Tito Shivan,
▶️ Google provides a ✔️ browser running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.

Unsuported

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

▶️ Ubisoft provides a ✔️game client running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.

Unsuported

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Valve can list why it does not provide a version compatible with Windows XP and why from June 5, 2020 it actively blocked logging on to older versions and thus definitely actively blocked everyone from accessing the game library on Windows XP.

It tells you the very moment you sign up for a Steam Account:
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

2. LICENSES ⏶

A. General Content and Services License

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Steam may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time. You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates, new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

It is quite ironic when the authentication client doesn't work even though the game itself does.

Steam really ought to have some sort of solution/workaround for older systems at least for its older games.

Otherwise, it's Steam that's the bottleneck at fault. This is the problem of depending on a client.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

It didn't happen when Steam deprecated support for W2000 and it didn't when they dropped it for XP and Vista. I wouldn't count on it happening.
As said above there's been lengthy discussions over the subject every time an OS is dropped from support which should be avaiable through the search engine.

From 06/05/2020 no older client will not connect to Steam!
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2299597907723991725/#c2299597907724148354
Why can Uplay have a client for XP and Steam when it completely disables Windows 7? I don't have a single game for Windows 10.
For a while, it was definitely impossible to play games via Steam even on Windows 7?
Here Valve crossed the border. If this does not work out quickly, I will contact the EP and the EC. When they knew how to divide the railways, power plants, gas stations, airports, they can also do it with Steam. This is a huge encroachment on fundamental rights. Bequeath this to the bosses of this private company. AT&T is on its way! At least the new commission will have some success. I also know what to suggest to them.

Cool story bud. Your threats do nothing but make you look like a joke.

[rawWwRrr]

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Sooner or later, Valve will do the same with Windows 7 (officially discontinued system from Microsoft). It is unacceptable for me to never have access to my game library on this computer with Windows 7 I'm writing from, just because Valve decided to destroy Windows 7! Valve will block access. For games that run under Windows 7, just because Valve has decided that it no longer wants Windows 7 customers, it will make the game library inaccessible to them.

quoting this so that the hypocrisy can be seen in case it is deleted. I'll zero in on the pertinent piece of information below:

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Windows 7 (officially discontinued system from Microsoft).

exactly who is responsible for "destroying" your choice of operating system? let's get all CSI and enhance the picture futher:

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Microsoft

Hey.... seems like Valve is following the direction that everyone else in the industry is doing and abandoning old, outdated, insecure versions of WIndows.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Цитата допису rawWwRrr:

Hey.... seems like Valve is following the direction that everyone else in the industry is doing and abandoning old, outdated, insecure versions of WIndows.

...and thereby leaving old, otherwise working copies of games inaccessible due to the authentication client getting fracked up.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Цитата допису rawWwRrr:

Hey.... seems like Valve is following the direction that everyone else in the industry is doing and abandoning old, outdated, insecure versions of WIndows.

...and thereby leaving old, otherwise working copies of games inaccessible due to the authentication client getting fracked up.

Oh well. Technology moves on. Things become obsolete. That's literally what happens in the world.

[Glimmer]

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

...and thereby leaving old, otherwise working copies of games inaccessible due to the authentication client getting fracked up.

Which games do not work on Windows 10? Do cite specific titles.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Цитата допису Fiddle:

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

...and thereby leaving old, otherwise working copies of games inaccessible due to the authentication client getting fracked up.

Oh well. Technology moves on. Things become obsolete. That's literally what happens in the world.

Technology does not automatically become obsolete.

It only appears to become obsolete because other people forcefully attach systems that require connections to other things that change.

A well-maintained system continues to be able to run the software it was able to run years ago, as long as the software hasn't changed.

Game consoles from the 90s still work to this day.

Цитата допису Glimmer:

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

...and thereby leaving old, otherwise working copies of games inaccessible due to the authentication client getting fracked up.

Which games do not work on Windows 10? Do cite specific titles.

While I don't personally have Win10, based on what I've read on their game forums on Steam, the three eXceed shmups (Gun Bullet Children, Vampire REX, and Jade Penetrate Black Package) and Fortune Summoners have some nonzero chance of running into big problems with Win10.

I would expect similar issues with these older small indie games.

I've also personally had issues with running Age of Empires II (the original version, albeit maybe with a patch or two, that runs on WinXP) on Win7, and Empire Earth on Win8.1 (for quite a while, before it was patched on GOG).

[Satoru]

Цитата допису CouchPowerS:

Tito Shivan,
▶️ Google provides a ✔️ browser running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.

Google Chrome is unsupported in XP

▶️ Ubisoft provides a ✔️game client running under Windows XP. They didn't block it, it actively offers it.

https://support.ubisoft.com/en-AU/Faqs/000026524/Uplay-PC-and-Windows-XP

No they dont

▶️ Valve actively and intentionally blocked the use of any version of the ❌ client under Windows XP. Without any rational reason, Valve arbitrarily prevented anyone with Windows XP from accessing their library purchased for Windows XP.

No because Steam, just like every other gaming client on the planet that you use, uses Chromium as its base. Chormimum stopped supporting XP. Which means Steam has to stop supporting XP because the underlying browser rendering engine its built on, stopped supporting XP.

Steam isn't going to use an older version of Chromium because that would be like saying you should run a 5 year old browser with giant security holes in it. The steam client is a very large possible vector into your system. And Steam keeps up with Chromimum updates to ensure the steam client's browser is secure from any potential web attacks

So no, Steam isn't going to put a giant sign on your computer saying "Hackers please steal all this person's stuff" because you want to run Steam on an outdated OS that only 6% of Steam users use.

Sooner or later, Valve will do the same with Windows 7 (officially discontinued system from Microsoft). It is unacceptable for me to never have access to my game library on this computer with Windows 7 I'm writing from,

Is it 'unacceptable' that you can't run Steam in MSDOS

Update ton Windows 10. Hell its FREE. So you don't even have an excuse of "it costs money".

just because Valve decided to destroy Windows 7! Valve will block access. For games that run under Windows 7, just because Valve has decided that it no longer wants Windows 7 customers, it will make the game library inaccessible to them.

No, all you have to do is upgrade to Window 10 and you have total access to your library. Just like when XP was deprecated, you just had to upgrade to Windows 7 or above.

Why Valve has been selling services on Windows XP for x years and suddenly prevented these customers from using them on their Windows XP?

Because games made under Windows XP run fine under Windows 10.

What is the reason for Valve to actively prevent customers from accessing the licenses they have purchased on Windows XP, where games still work, but Valve actively prevents their use (actively blocked access to all older clients)?

The actual question is "why are you not upgrading to windows 10 so you can easily access your entire gaming library"

Here, Valve can list why it does not provide a version compatible with Windows XP and why from June 5, 2020 it actively blocked logging on to older versions and thus definitely actively blocked everyone from accessing the game library on Windows XP.

Chromium is the reason

So now you know

Upgrade to Windows 10

If you don't see the difference, that's not my problem

"I will ignore all criticism because I dont want to read it" is a super hot take from someone making demands.

I don't need to prove my truth. Valve will prove the validity, not the customers.

The 'validity' is upgrade to Windows 10

Problem solved.

[Cat on Linux]

install Linux on spare partition, use wine to run games in XP compatibility, or steam play feature (proton). works the best for old games.

steam demands to be used on Win 7, you can have XP prefix and just put steam alone into Win 7 mode, so it will run games in XP mode.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Цитата допису Satoru:

No because Steam, just like every other gaming client on the planet that you use, uses Chromium as its base. Chormimum stopped supporting XP. Which means Steam has to stop supporting XP because the underlying browser rendering engine its built on, stopped supporting XP.

Steam isn't going to use an older version of Chromium because that would be like saying you should run a 5 year old browser with giant security holes in it. The steam client is a very large possible vector into your system. And Steam keeps up with Chromimum updates to ensure the steam client's browser is secure from any potential web attacks

Frankly speaking these clients shouldn't be using browser engines anyway.

Цитата допису Satoru:

Update ton Windows 10. Hell its FREE. So you don't even have an excuse of "it costs money".

and switching to WIn10 would basically require reconfiguring a crapton of stuff on one's computer for use on a different operating system, as well as making space for a new OS, as well as dealing with various problems of programs not working under Win10.

And...seriously, changing operating system simply to make a game launcher work?

Цитата допису Satoru:

Because games made under Windows XP run fine under Windows 10.

Not necessarily.

A number of older games have to be updated to work properly with recent Windows OSes; otherwise they don't work or work buggily.

Цитата допису Satoru:

What is the reason for Valve to actively prevent customers from accessing the licenses they have purchased on Windows XP, where games still work, but Valve actively prevents their use (actively blocked access to all older clients)?

The actual question is "why are you not upgrading to windows 10 so you can easily access your entire gaming library"

The more fundamental question is "why are we locked out of access to our games that run on a given system only because the third-party launcher got updated which caused it to stop working?"

[Tito Shivan]

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Frankly speaking these clients shouldn't be using browser engines anyway.

And do their own browsers? Almost every service out there is little more than glorified webpages displayed through a container app. Doing it so through your own made browser only calls for causing yourself a lots of problems for no other reason than 'I don't want to use chromium'

There's no need to reinvent the wheel.

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

And...seriously, changing operating system simply to make a game launcher work?

Because using a so much deprecated OS like WinXP networked in this day and age is basically a risk, a liability for others and a reckless thing to do. Least of the problems of doing so is Steam not working on it.

Цитата допису Quint the Alligator Snapper:

The more fundamental question is "why are we locked out of access to our games that run on a given system only because the third-party launcher got updated which caused it to stop working?"

The real fundamental question is "Why accept a license terms that warns you specifically about this specific scenario and then complain when the agreed scenario happens?"

[Cat on Linux]

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

And do their own browsers? Almost every service out there is little more than glorified webpages displayed through a container app. Doing it so through your own made browser only calls for causing yourself a lots of problems for no other reason than 'I don't want to use chromium'

There's no need to reinvent the wheel.

indeed, there's no need to reinvent the wheel and to use web browser for desktop application. no one forced Valve to trash desktop app they had for steam client in favor of chromium framework. this is valve's fault for using wrong technology to create their app. why it has to be our problem now? there's no need to use web browser in the desktop app in the first place.