Whats your thoughts on Using Steam as a kickstarter platform?

[Sneakydude]

I have to ask, we as consumers have been rooked in the last few years for these Devs that kickstarter games, flip them and move onto publish another game using the same codes. Expressing they do not have enough sales to keep funding the game, and or getting paid. It is my understanding steam rules clearly state you have to be able to fund your own project. What gives do we not have any protections at all? Should Steam be doing credit checks and balances on these publishers, and or Devs before they start asking for money. If that's the case anyone wish to startup a new project and we can scam everyone else? i could use a extra pay check. Joking aside you see where i am going with all of this? I can count a good half a dozen projects like that.

[nullable]

Well Early Access has some risks that the games may never get done, and projects do fail, or the games don't end up very good. You're not tricked into buying Early Access games, so if you don't like the system, avoid it. I am personally very wary of Early Access. So you know what I don't have an ax to grind over? Early Access.

You're free to participate or abstain as you see fit, you don't need Steam's help for that. And there's no way to guarantee a project will get done, get done on time, or in a timely manner, or produce a product to your satisfaction. If that's your expectation I suggest you re-read the Early Access blurb on each Early Access game store page and review your own shopping habits if you find it a difficult lesson to learn.

You can see where I am going with this? You have the freedom to choose, exercise that freedom.

[PocketYoda]

Isn't that exactly the same as early access?

[ReBoot]

I personally avoid EA like the devil avoids holy water because I don't want to buy into ideas.

In general, I consider EA a good idea. The risks are clearly advertised so if somebody wants to take them, hey, its their choice.

That said, I willingly bought into EA once, Killing Floor 2 was worth it, for me, as the precursor was among my favorite games of all times.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by ReBoot:

In general, I consider EA a good idea. The risks are clearly advertised so if somebody wants to take them, hey, its their choice.

^^this.

I have some EA titles on my wishlist that I'm following. Some have left EA state and are fully released. There are some interesting projects going on and like any other game I keep them on my wishlist untill I either lose interest in it or think it's time to purchase.

I've only bought one EA game, though. I bought Slay the Spire when the last act was added, as it was a really good game. 3-4 months later it went full release and I'm quite happy I got it when I did.

[Start_Running]

Oh look someone else who didn't bother to read the FAW or the Blue Box. Disclaimer.

[Nepgear]

I think it's clear enough: "Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.".

[Sneakydude]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Oh look someone else who didn't bother to read the FAW or the Blue Box. Disclaimer.

Got that wrong i actually kickstarter projects all the time, but i am turning away from Steam EA because of the amount of abuse it is lately. Never seen it so badly. Start a project, take the steam cash, cancel it redeploy the same game in a different area. Its even against EUA from steam, if you read it. 20 dollar projects are just trash, i usually do much much more when i can. 10+ in the last year.

[Sneakydude]

Originally posted by 99% Crit Chance:

I think it's clear enough: "Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.".

This is true, but developments from some of the devs have been flipped to another game using the same coding language as the first. Or its bought up by some publisher, flipped as a new name. Has steam gone this route on purpose?

[Graeystone]

Grim Dawn showed it can be done. . .its just too bad there are too many lazy/crooked people out there just waiting rip off the gamers with 'early access'.

[Paratech2008]

I thought kickstart projects could end up not producing anything and you're out whatever you donated to it, whereas an EA game is sold in the state it is with no promise of an update.

If you don't like the EA game as it is sold, why are you paying for it now when you could wait to see if it gets finished?

Also when a game is EA there is a product available whereas there is nothing on Kickstart until after the goal is met, if it is met.

[Sneakydude]

Originally posted by Paratech2008:

I thought kickstart projects could end up not producing anything and you're out whatever you donated to it, whereas an EA game is sold in the state it is with no promise of an update.

If you don't like the EA game as it is sold, why are you paying for it now when you could wait to see if it gets finished?

Also when a game is EA there is a product available whereas there is nothing on Kickstart until after the goal is met, if it is met.

You havent read a thing i said did you? its getting worse. Others have abandoned hope on getting games to market due to the EA abuse. Abuse because deep into it, you have to understand it has to be a working client, updates regular etc.. and most of all you have to fund your own project. It is almost like these devs start off with a 1000 dollar budget, sit in their basements and code... then abandon all hope if it doesnt become the next dayz cash flow. Another product we shouldnt talk about.

[Paratech2008]

I've seen more asset flipping games with anime porn get through than EA games that start with nothing.

I don't see any examples of current EA games that break. I don't see where EA games are forced on anyone either.

I just see mindless ranting about EA. I've purchased a number of EA games and was happy with the majority of the ones I supported.

Simple solution, don't buy EA games.

[Sneakydude]

Originally posted by Paratech2008:

I've seen more asset flipping games with anime porn get through than EA games that start with nothing.

I don't see any examples of current EA games that break. I don't see where EA games are forced on anyone either.

I just see mindless ranting about EA. I've purchased a number of EA games and was happy with the majority of the ones I supported.

Simple solution, don't buy EA games.

Again you don't read, i back projects all the time, even invest more then a 100 or so dollars. I am talking about the excessive problems in the last few years of EA games, flipping and dying before they even where started. Nothing wrong with backing projects its when they start to flop and steam is not enforcing some of the rules. So again i have roughly 10 backed in the last year and most have made it through its the ones that are showing 33% that should never have been started on steam. Go to kickstarter first, find investors etc.. but don't place it on steam customers. But we both have opinions.

[Paratech2008]

Name examples of EA games that went bad, the dozens you claim, then mention who was forced to support them.

I've supported a number of EA games on Steam and am happy for what I received.

How were you burned by EA? What bad deals did you support, how were you forced to buy them?

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

I have some EA titles on my wishlist that I'm following. Some have left EA state and are fully released. There are some interesting projects going on and like any other game I keep them on my wishlist untill I either lose interest in it or think it's time to purchase.

I usually follow any EA game I'm interested in for a time. See the development updates and buy it only when I'm confident in what I see and the actual state.

I've not been disappointed in an Early Access game I've bought in a good while (And when I did I was quite aware of the risks, so never felt like a big loss)