Zeke45 2/fev./2020 às 20:19
Sad state of affairs
I'm getting more and more disinterested in acquiring any new games -- not gonna pay AAA prices to find out 8 or 10 hours in that the game's got a woke agenda or some stupid "edgy" crapola shoved in as if the devs were angst-ridden suburban goth kids in the 90's; Steam's refund system is laughable and outdated -- there are some games that take more than two hours just to get past their third-party registration requirements, set up the keyboard keys, manage to nail a suitable and original online username that's not already taken (because you're basically shackled with it for life in many cases), and get past the tutorial; then there are all these "less is less" games and gimmicky trendy-as-hell 16-bit -looking games that are all into reverting to the 1980's (and getting inexplicable rave reviews).

Also, when's the last time Steam had an actual decent, valuable promo giveaway? Age of Wonders 3 or something? You get better giveaways from small-time resellers. (No need to mention the "dread" Unreal people over there.)

Lastly, maybe 20 percent of the time I browse this site, their servers are overloaded or something; videos won't play, or there's lag, even simple photos won't load unless you check back later.

If I'm aware enough and put-off enough about some of these things to take time to post a comment here, you know significant negative issues are starting to dawn on many others.

My whinge for the week.
Última edição por Zeke45; 2/fev./2020 às 20:24
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RedLightning 4/fev./2020 às 17:25 
Escrito originalmente por Zekiran:
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:

Yea.. no.. you say that.. I doubt it.

your opinion is not marked in stone.


Oh look case in point:

LITERALLY TODAY Paypal updated its terms of service which will go into effect in March.

Where is your 'opinion' on that?

Or do you never use Paypal or any service like it? Because I just got an email describing the changes that will be occurring and they are quite extensive and very specific. Would you like to see them?

Here's their Policy Updates page. On it is linked also ALL THEIR PAST UPDATES.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full?locale.x=en_US

So let's see: living, tangible proof with a paper trail of the fact that contracts CHANGE while you use them.

and exactly what does a Banking service have ANYTHING to do with a gaming platform?

Nothing.
Zaskar 4/fev./2020 às 17:39 
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
Escrito originalmente por Zekiran:


Oh look case in point:

LITERALLY TODAY Paypal updated its terms of service which will go into effect in March.

Where is your 'opinion' on that?

Or do you never use Paypal or any service like it? Because I just got an email describing the changes that will be occurring and they are quite extensive and very specific. Would you like to see them?

Here's their Policy Updates page. On it is linked also ALL THEIR PAST UPDATES.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full?locale.x=en_US

So let's see: living, tangible proof with a paper trail of the fact that contracts CHANGE while you use them.

and exactly what does a Banking service have ANYTHING to do with a gaming platform?

Nothing.

It shows that EVERY ToS can and will eventually change and you have to accept that.
RedLightning 4/fev./2020 às 17:42 
Escrito originalmente por Zaskar:
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:

and exactly what does a Banking service have ANYTHING to do with a gaming platform?

Nothing.

It shows that EVERY ToS can and will eventually change and you have to accept that.

Right.. I see .. the programming works well.

The last time I knew.. if I did not agree with the EULA for a game I could get my money back. .

Again EULA.. NOT TOS..

Now all of a sudden they can force you to agree or just take your game away without compensation..

Steams brood is getting rediculous .. seriously.. defend each and every front.

I'm just going to assume that each and every company on this service is going to pull a stunt like that in the future.. and just NOT buy from here again..

Tack it right up to the million reasons why Valve sucks..

IFIYGD 4/fev./2020 às 17:45 
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
Escrito originalmente por Zaskar:

It shows that EVERY ToS can and will eventually change and you have to accept that.

Right.. I see .. the programming works well.

The last time I knew.. if I did not agree with the EULA for a game I could get my money back. .

Again EULA.. NOT TOS..

Now all of a sudden they can force you to agree or just take your game away without compensation..

Steams brood is getting rediculous .. seriously.. defend each and every front.

I'm just going to assume that each and every company on this service is going to pull a stunt like that in the future.. and just NOT buy from here again..

Tack it right up to the million reasons why Valve sucks..
You need a new hobby.

Gaming is apparently not for you.
RedLightning 4/fev./2020 às 17:56 
Escrito originalmente por IFIYGD:
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:

Right.. I see .. the programming works well.

The last time I knew.. if I did not agree with the EULA for a game I could get my money back. .

Again EULA.. NOT TOS..

Now all of a sudden they can force you to agree or just take your game away without compensation..

Steams brood is getting rediculous .. seriously.. defend each and every front.

I'm just going to assume that each and every company on this service is going to pull a stunt like that in the future.. and just NOT buy from here again..

Tack it right up to the million reasons why Valve sucks..
You need a new hobby.

Gaming is apparently not for you.

lol.. nah..

The rules are always changing .. and they are not changing for you .. or anyones benefit..

Everyone just wants to roll over and let em do as they like..

That is fine.. But how dare they shoehorn in a piece of spyware frontend into game after game .. YEARS after purchase.. and FORCE ME TO AGREE TO A NEW CONTRACT.. with no rebuttal..

screw that..

screw valve.

screw all those companies doing such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
IFIYGD 4/fev./2020 às 18:01 
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
Escrito originalmente por IFIYGD:
You need a new hobby.

Gaming is apparently not for you.

lol.. nah..

The rules are always changing .. and they are not changing for you .. or anyones benefit..

Everyone just wants to roll over and let em do as they like..

That is fine.. But how dare they shoehorn in a piece of spyware frontend into game after game .. YEARS after purchase.. and FORCE ME TO AGREE TO A NEW CONTRACT.. with no rebuttal..

screw that..

screw valve.

screw all those companies doing such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
And you are still mad at Valve for something Paradox did.

Sounds legit...

You need to take it up with the devs and publishers.
Valve had nothing to do with it.
And guess what... if you had bought the game on any other platform (if it could be bought on any other platform...) the EULA update would still not be Valve's fault, or the platform-that-you-bought-the-game-on's fault.

Seriously, you need to go outside once and a while, and get a new hobby.
Zekiran 4/fev./2020 às 18:42 
Do you not understand that EULA and TOS are ... the same... thing?
Tito Shivan 4/fev./2020 às 23:18 
Escrito originalmente por Zekiran:
Do you not understand that EULA and TOS are ... the same... thing?
Pretty much.

Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
That is fine.. But how dare they shoehorn in a piece of spyware frontend into game after game .. YEARS after purchase.. and FORCE ME TO AGREE TO A NEW CONTRACT.. with no rebuttal..
Did the former EULA you agreed to have a clause regarding changes on the license terms?
Zekiran 4/fev./2020 às 23:43 
Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Escrito originalmente por Zekiran:
Do you not understand that EULA and TOS are ... the same... thing?
Pretty much.

Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
That is fine.. But how dare they shoehorn in a piece of spyware frontend into game after game .. YEARS after purchase.. and FORCE ME TO AGREE TO A NEW CONTRACT.. with no rebuttal..
Did the former EULA you agreed to have a clause regarding changes on the license terms?


Of course it did.

Because lawyers put them there *automatically* these days, for exactly this reason. I mean, just because folks "won't read all that" or "don't agree because The Man" or some nonsense. Doesn't mean the agreement isn't being confirmed.


Then they come around screaming when it changes and they didn't realize they were doing anything 'wrong' ... *sigh*
Count_Dandyman 5/fev./2020 às 1:24 
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
Escrito originalmente por Count_Dandyman:
After four years you got your moneys worth for what you paid and that is not simply a matter of opinion its is a factor in all countries consumer laws that cover refund rights under the limitations of reasonable product lifespans.

Right.. so your saying I'm renting them.. hmmm. I wish they would make up their damned minds.
No I'm saying that after four years you are not entitled to special refund rules and treatment because the at most $30 game you purchased requires you to accept new terms that you don't want to.
Crazy Tiger 5/fev./2020 às 3:01 
Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:
Escrito originalmente por IFIYGD:
You need a new hobby.

Gaming is apparently not for you.

lol.. nah..

The rules are always changing .. and they are not changing for you .. or anyones benefit..

Everyone just wants to roll over and let em do as they like..

That is fine.. But how dare they shoehorn in a piece of spyware frontend into game after game .. YEARS after purchase.. and FORCE ME TO AGREE TO A NEW CONTRACT.. with no rebuttal..

screw that..

screw valve.

screw all those companies doing such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Paradox does that, not Valve. Paradox changes the EULA on every platform to accomodate their new launcher, it's quite amusing that you want to throw blame at Valve for that.

It's quite clear by now that whatever the beef is that you have with Valve/Steam is clouding your judgement. You blame Valve/Steam for stuff that isn't their fault or responsibility.

I think you would do good by taking a break from stuff. At least until your head is clear.
Mofuji 5/fev./2020 às 3:09 
I've completely ignored the last few sales, because there's just nothing that I really want anymore.
Marius 5/fev./2020 às 10:14 
For me it's achievements that mainly ruin the enjoyment for me.

Let's take an example: When I played 'Octopath Traveler' the first time, I had a look at the achievements and I was like: ''Bruh, I've to find all the items in the game, scan all the enemies in the game, doing a run under 4 hour too and many more.' It ruined a fresh first experience cause I've to do so many things, and perhaps replaying the game 4 times and such. Eventually I stopped playing the game cause it took the enjoyment out for me.

Same with FPS shooters which has collectibles to find if ruins the pace of the game. And also the same with Dragon Quest IX where I've to find all the costumes in the game I will never use, etc.

I just want to delve into the story, the gameplay, the game without the fuss to miss out stuff and I've to replay a whole game cause I can't backtrack to find missing items, and such.

Put on top of that MTX, Cut-content DLC and Season Passes. I just want my game to be released at a finished state with a complete story and gameplay. Perhaps release a expansion 1.5 year later to even enhance and improve the game. Parkitect is a good example how a game can fare into the oversaturated market: Just release a base game, doing some patches and free content, release an expansion year later. That's great spirit.

However, gaming has become too booming and it will never be the game. 2009 was the beginning of current era and we will never go back pre-achievements, mtx and dlc. I fear for the next generation of gamers who never experience how it's to play games in relaxing exploring mode rather than chasing achievements, the stress of playing multiplayer and the fear to miss out aka DLC and MTX.
Última edição por Marius; 5/fev./2020 às 10:22
Aachen 5/fev./2020 às 10:23 
Why do you permit your knowledge of achievements to control your engagement with the games in question?
IL PALLINO 5/fev./2020 às 10:34 
Escrito originalmente por Marius:
For me it's achievements that mainly ruin the enjoyment for me.

It ruined a fresh first experience cause I've to do so many things, and perhaps replaying the game 4 times and such.

I personally enjoy the concept of achievements, and I've been gaming since the 1980's.

Perhaps you should have played your own way first, and then done subsequent playthroughs with achievement hunting in mind? If I can relate my own personal experience, I mucked up badly in my first playthrough of GTA V. (I made a number of poor choices, namely my choices for gunmen in the first two heists.) But I have no remorse about playing my own way and no regrets about throwing away progress after completion of the storyline in order to start over from the beginning to do things right.

Eventually I stopped playing the game cause it took the enjoyment out for me.

Burnout happens in even the best of games. It doesn't matter how good the game or how much the player loves what they're playing. IMO, it's unfair to blame burnout solely on achievements. True, I have gotten burnt out on games in the midst of achievement hunting, but it can be argued I would have quit playing sometime before then anyway.
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