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Are companies paying Valve to push their games in GOTY awards?
Title. Let's see how long until the mods lock this one and censor discussion of it.
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Messaggio originale di Zekiran:
Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:
And there you have it. It's all about popularity and accessibility. God forbid a game demands a little commitment, ten thousands of people will not acknowledge its existence.

It's a popularity contest.

Thus: popular game gets votes.

Wow.
But they're not even that popular in some cases. This isn't a new discussion either, it's just that this year is one of the most blatant I have ever seen
https://steamcommunity.com/app/264710/discussions/0/1796278072841772214/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/292030/discussions/0/1795152172934644126/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/154642447919614716/
And Valve doesn't ever seem to release statistics
Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/154642447919614716/
Take more care in selecting your sources, this one was a complaint about The Game Awards which is a different award from The Steam Awards.

First link is practically a study on "My preferred game deserves better, it must be rigged".
https://web.archive.org/web/20190224174705/https://store.steampowered.com/stats/

21,336 24,709 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
7,868 7,868 Subnautica
The "generic fantasy setting" had almost 3 times as many players when that post was made.
Ultima modifica da Glimmer; 26 dic 2019, ore 19:50
Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
No. I was never given a reason why it was locked. It's a valid topic.

As to the individual trying to claim it was "spreading blatant lies" go ahead and look: mixed reviews on games in teh finalist places. The only person spreading blatant lies, is you
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1097840/Gears_5/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/221100/DayZ/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/991260/Borderlands_2_VR/
you would think that a GOTY finalist would at least be able to muster better reviews on its own store page than "mixed" no?

None of them are in the GOTY category. Also, like I told you, all of those three have positive recent reviews. Btw, your claim was "every categories have at least one mixed game" and as far as I know, there's more than 3 categories. So yeah, blatant lies.

Well, coming from you, it's not really surprising.
Ultima modifica da Zaskar; 26 dic 2019, ore 19:41
Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
Title. Let's see how long until the mods lock this one and censor discussion of it.
Well, Idk about this one, but selling trophies is common. My company bought one one time, you paid for the award and the news clip, basically paying for an ad.
I see the OP is trying to rev that conspiracy engine, rev all you want but you won't get it to start. It's done by the users and for the users.

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:
Let me guess. You're miffed the game you nominated didn't make the cut so you assume there must be aasome grand conspiracy, as opposed to you know the idea that other gamers really like thie games that made the finals?

It's always the same. They nominate some obscure game and it's not on the list so that means every game must have paid to be on the list.
You hear this every year they have had this type of award.
Messaggio originale di Zaskar:
Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
No. I was never given a reason why it was locked. It's a valid topic.

As to the individual trying to claim it was "spreading blatant lies" go ahead and look: mixed reviews on games in teh finalist places. The only person spreading blatant lies, is you
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1097840/Gears_5/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/221100/DayZ/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/991260/Borderlands_2_VR/
you would think that a GOTY finalist would at least be able to muster better reviews on its own store page than "mixed" no?

None of them are in the GOTY category. Also, like I told you, all of those three have positive recent reviews. Btw, your claim was "every categories have at least one mixed game" and as far as I know, there's more than 3 categories. So yeah, blatant lies.

Well, coming from you, it's not really surprising.
Those are in all their respective separate GOTY categories for things like best VR, or best coop, or whatever.

You are once again blatantly lying.
I'm frankly baffled by your inability to consider the possibility that you are actually wrong.

Also I'm seeing a lot of complaining about what is in the lists (with no real reasoning behind why they don't qualify or you can't see how they got nominated) and nothing from you on what you think they replaced?

Do remember the 2019 restriction actually rules out a lot of games, add to that you need to win the popular nomination vote against hundreds of other games so games with a dedicated fan-base are more likely to win (due to the fans voting for them) as opposed to necessarily the best games (which might have more fragmented voting) and you can easily see how you end up with the list that we have.
OP, you're making the mistake that the Steam Awards are anything more than just a popularity contest of the worst kind, particularly where one is able to nominate all sorts of random bullcrap rather than being limited to some small number of meaningful choices before the last step rolls around.

So, if enough people like a thing enough to nominate it in sufficient numbers, friends and alts and all, and does so in greater numbers than any other game does, then it gets in.

Take it from me. I have very little opinion on these games and I hadn't even heard of some of them before this vote. And all I did was register a series of mainly protest votes, such as voting for games that are 2D or otherwise show non-full-3D graphics, or have something that just happens to pander to my tastes (e.g. the zoo), while also snubbing games that other people had asked me to vote for because I feel they're too popular. This is all because I really don't know most of these games and otherwise don't even have an opinion on them.

I don't give a hoot about this and you probably shouldn't either.
Ultima modifica da Quint the Alligator Snapper; 27 dic 2019, ore 23:08
Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
Messaggio originale di Zekiran:

It's a popularity contest.

Thus: popular game gets votes.

Wow.
But they're not even that popular in some cases. This isn't a new discussion either, it's just that this year is one of the most blatant I have ever seen
https://steamcommunity.com/app/264710/discussions/0/1796278072841772214/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/292030/discussions/0/1795152172934644126/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/154642447919614716/
And Valve doesn't ever seem to release statistics
WHy should they. People would hjust claim the stats are lies because 'reasons'.

Messaggio originale di Quint the Alligator Snapper:
OP, you're making the mistake that the Steam Awards are anything more than just a popularity contest of the worst kind, particularly where one is able to nominate all sorts of random bullcrap rather than being limited to some small number of meaningful choices before the last step rolls around.
They did.. by polling the audience and counting the highest responses as the most meaningful. Can you think of a better way that doesn't fall into the same Agenda driven Tarpits as the Oscars, Music awards, etc?



Messaggio originale di Darren:
Do remember the 2019 restriction actually rules out a lot of games, add to that you need to win the popular nomination vote against hundreds of other games so games with a dedicated fan-base are more likely to win (due to the fans voting for them) as opposed to necessarily the best games (which might have more fragmented voting) and you can easily see how you end up with the list that we have.
The best games are those that can grab and hold on to dedicated fanbases.
As opposed to 'flash in the pan' games. The 2019 thing was actually a restriction added based on user complaints because many opeople thought it wasn't 'fair' that a game would have to compete against the likes of Witcher 3, or Skyrim.
Ah, another BlackSun thread.
Gets the popcorn*

Proceed.
:lunar2019piginablanket:
While I do think Valve have fallen over the years I somehow doubt they sunk THAT FAR in the ground.


That's the sort of shady dealings that risks disgusting your own employees and them leaking the info. And bad rep like that sticks on you for a LONG time.


Most of valve's failings are to do with their own arrogance to admit faults, disconnection to the actual needs of their fans and customers, failing to do anything of note with their time and money, no clear direction as to where they are headed, too easily scared by outrage which forces them to go against previous promises (banning games and manipulating reviews) and a general feeling of incompetence that is probably the result of talent getting sick of creating cosmetics leaving the company.

And as for greed so far they seem to have restrained themselves to exploiting their own titles more or less and the steam market is at least transparent as to what people are doing.
The worst example so far for Valve's greediness is Artifact and again that is their own title.


I would sooner believe that any manipulation of the GOTY awards is a result in trying to become "respectable". Like how in the previous awards people could chose any game regardless of release date or genre and while that sort of thing is wonderful for getting general feedback as to what people truly like and is a has a great sense of freedom. Valve probably would have wanted the awards to appear more professional and stick to the year part of the game of the year title.
Messaggio originale di Apples:
Nope, it's that like with everything on Steam there's no quality control. The nominations are ridiculous. GTA V is a game made to siphon cash out of whales and the farthest thing from a labour of love. Yet there it is in that category.
Because it's all a matter of perspective. You say that this, while fans of the game will say that it is a labour of love because it still gets updates.

Like quality control, the reasons for nominations are subjective. Who would have thought that, eh?
Messaggio originale di Apples:
Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:
Because it's all a matter of perspective. You say that this, while fans of the game will say that it is a labour of love because it still gets updates.

Not even close. It's all about the intention.
Your interpretation of their intention is still a matter of perspective. It doesn't change a thing, you say the negative thing, fans will say the positive thing. Funnily enough, both are right in their own perspective.
Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:
Messaggio originale di Apples:

Not even close. It's all about the intention.
Your interpretation of their intention is still a matter of perspective. It doesn't change a thing, you say the negative thing, fans will say the positive thing. Funnily enough, both are right in their own perspective.
Bingo.

GTAV as a labour of love. Well considering if they didn't have the 2019 release limit it would probably wind up in the GOTY vategory again...its not suprising. People enjoy the game. Many people who are very happy to say as much. Not me of course I've honestyly never gotten into the GTA series.

One day i will figure out why its easier to believe some unprovable conspiracy than the more mundane idea that, other people just like the game.
Messaggio originale di Quint the Alligator Snapper:
particularly where one is able to nominate all sorts of random bullcrap rather than being limited to some small number of meaningful choices before the last step rolls around.
Do you realise that in the case Valve gave a small number of meaningful choices instead of letting people vote whatever random bullcrap they chose we'd STILL be having this very same thread?

It's the funniest part of conspiracy theories. They're not bound to reason.

Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
No. I was never given a reason why it was locked. It's a valid topic.
There you have one. Neither the former threrad or the actual one are meant for discussion, they're just tinfoilhattery that's bound to make people angry if left running for long around. So instead of waiting for this to blow up and since there's no basis on the premise, to avoid having to issue warnings or bans because people got too riled up discussing a vapid subject we lock it.

And to answer your OP. No, they're not and it'd be stupid for them to do so.


Messaggio originale di BlackSun:
it would help if Valve was more transparent
If You don't believe the nominations why would you believe the voting data from the same source? We'd just be discussing how the data is rigged instead of the results.

See how this is a rabbit hole without any valid course or conclussion?
That's why these topics get locked.
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