D a R i U z Z 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 8:25
I am so glad the 200$ in recent purchases i've made are worth ♥♥♥♥ all
Otherwise i would have used the tokens from those transactions in coupons to buy a few things im still interested in, You know, Like last year? For ♥♥♥♥♥ sake.
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Crunchipop / TTV 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 10:01 
I buyed then i was have for 2 x coupons but steam only take 1 another i cannot use , i was open ticket in support looking for info.... 8 hours and counting.....
Phreya™ 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 10:19 
I know right. Love it when Valve decided that we, who use existing wallet funds, don't deserve the same privilege as the ones who added wallet funds during sale and using non-wallet funds.
Thanks Gabe!
Iron Monkey 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 10:19 
引用自 kasmemoro
You mean amnesty for exploit users who usually banned for life because its direct violation of Steam Subscriber Agreement or legitimizing Korgi cheaters? Valve allowed changing team - for Korgi only - but not enforced it. Whole "race" was a joke.

I said nothing about the races, only the sale in general.
最後修改者:Iron Monkey; 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 10:20
muckymucks 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 10:26 
引用自 Potato Marshal
Valve is just super cheap this event, moreso than usual. $7 of purchases gets you enough tokens for a chat gif that expires in 2 months. $10 gets you 30 uses of confetti. What a joke.

This is a problem with all digital platforms. Twitch does this too. They try to make a big deal about emotes and another junk like that when most people don't care about it or see any value in it. Sure, it's cute or whatever but most people see absolutely no monetary value in it.
NO THIS IS HATTRICK 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:02 
After this year they should either discontinue the token system or overhaul it completely.
Stop tying the tokens to real money spent and just make it a fun holiday themed mini-game where all the rewards are achievable by simply diligently doing tasks, just like in the older days of Steam.

As for the current token system, one of the main problems is that they keep changing the rules without telling anyone. For the 2019 Lunar Sale (where this system debuted iirc) you got extra tokens for prior Steam purchases, which I think also applied to the Summer Sale. And they didn't care then whether you used Steam Wallet funds or real money to buy your games. All of a sudden both these things changed, screwing over people that anticipated the sale, either by adding funds to their Steam wallet or made purchases in between the Summer Sale and the Winter Sale, expecting purchases to count towards the latter event.

I can see absolutely no benefit to them for limiting tokens purely to sales made during the holiday event, as someone said elsewhere all this ensures is that people will absolutely not buy anything at any other time.

The company in charge of designing this event, assuming it's work outsourced by Valve, should frankly be replaced. 2019 is the first year where every sale event was a bust, and each sale event was subsequently more disappointing than the last.

It will show up on paper perhaps as a short-term major monetary success this year for Valve as people tried to play along with and get accustomed to the token system, but it came at a great expense of customer goodwill, and in the long-term will cause customers to tighten their purse strings and defer their purchases.

EDIT:
I'd also like to add that another obnoxious change made this year was making their event emoticons and backgrounds unmarketable. I understand it's done to artificially inflate and maintain the virtual economy of tokens, but as I've said that system is terribly consumer unfriendly and needs to change. Also, no bonuses to people for crafting Steam badges? Why can't people be rewarded with tokens for crafting badges?
最後修改者:NO THIS IS HATTRICK; 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:24
HereIsPlenty 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:24 
My my everyone is especially whiny over this. No surprise there. Oh yeah no downvotes it is not Reddit. So now I have offended all of you, I can go further.

People (do not make me check if it was you) were complaining before about the system they tried, having made a change. So now you wanted them to keep with that deeply flawed system?

That last system that now seems rosy to you made next to zero value in taking part in the sales, gave terrible discounts because of multiple coupons (I bought about 6 of them with prior tokens and made a massive badge with leftovers so don't think I am being cheap here), sparked swathes of complaints and basically made a lot of the rewards inaccessible as people did not understand the (awful) system they were trying and thought they would keep getting massive rewards per day. Heck no.

So now we go back to the traditional method of sales revenue generating sales items. Gosh. How terrible for y'all. An actual inducement to take part. So what have you gained from buying those games when you did? Games. That you played, made badges, emotes, passed time.

We do not live for the sales, they are a little bonus. If you did not play games and sat with family enjoying life waiting for the sale then good for you. Personally I got what games I could on various little sales, played a lot of junk, got bundles and accept whatever format comes along.

If you are going to be critical then do not vaccilate between oh method A is awful, lets have method B and method B is bad, lets go back to A. Tackle the new things. Cosmetic items to play with over the holidays. Ok, that is the nature of toys and renting those digital gifs is an interesting experiment and probably suits our flash in the pan culture. I can accept that ownership of them would be a big call as a freebie and imbalances and devalues existing product if it was permanent but it still disturbs me. Have a dancing yule log or whatever and we take it away on this date. Thanks for the tokens.

No, use the sales the way they were meant, get extra points from badge crafting, get special emotes for free, some semi-decent backgrounds and buy the games you actually are here to play.
Iron Monkey 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:31 
引用自 HereIsPlenty
So now we go back to the traditional method of sales revenue generating sales items. Gosh. How terrible for y'all. An actual inducement to take part. So what have you gained from buying those games when you did? Games. That you played, made badges, emotes, passed time.

Except this is not the "traditional way" of the steam sales. It was always purchases made during the sale, not funds added during the sale. Yes we shouldn't expect credit from purchase between sales, that was new and who knows if they would continue that so it cant be expected. But we do expect to get credit for games purchased with our wallet as we always have been during every sale. Adding funds before the sale should make no difference what so ever as it never had before. THIS is why everyone is upset.
最後修改者:Iron Monkey; 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:32
Art 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:33 
引用自 HereIsPlenty
My my everyone is especially whiny over this.
Problem is Valve thinks that prior Steam wallet funds are something different than added in sales' timeframe. But it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. A lot of people added funds beforehand preparing for sales and now they are feeling punished because they have no bonuses that have people that just buy games with a credit card. It's discrimination. I don't care if there were no special bonuses at all. But the present system leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So, ok, lesson learned, don't ever hoard money in Steam wallet. No money on Steam wallet, no impulse buys from me. I'm glad that Valve cares about the safety of my money.
最後修改者:Art; 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:35
HereIsPlenty 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:36 
No, no, people are whiny over a few things in the thread but consistently over change. What I have said about the sales being bonuses, still getting games when you want them and sales income generating sales items still applies.

It made no sense for wallet cash to be stored as capital. Why on earth would you do that? Because granny gave you £30 for your birthday? Then buy a game, you will buy others that year. Because you sold a lot of emoticons? Great, you are a trader who can then reinvest that into more emoticons. Other than that, makes zero sense.

Then again, I am not rich enough to store money on Steam - if I was then no doubt I would feel aggrieved that money that was insignificant enough to do that was not being counted for minor rewards.

Developed world problems, eh?
NO THIS IS HATTRICK 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:40 
引用自 HereIsPlenty
That last system that now seems rosy to you made next to zero value in taking part in the sales,

Every system introduced this year has been terrible, and this is coming from someone that refrained from saying anything against the prior events to give them the benefit of the doubt.

引用自 HereIsPlenty
So now we go back to the traditional method of sales revenue generating sales items.

The traditional method did not involve directly spending real money to obtain rewards like emoticons or backgrounds. It involved crafting cards, which in turn was either given out for free with tasks like the Steam Award event is now, or from playing games and crafting other badges. The token system introduced during this year's Lunar Sale is akin to Diablo 3's RMAH (real money auction house), customer unfriendly regardless of whether or not you spend a lot or a little (people who made all their purchases during the VGA sale just a few days prior to the Christmas Sale for instance are effectively shut out from the sale event unless they spend even more money).

引用自 HereIsPlenty
We do not live for the sales, they are a little bonus.

That's what they used to be, and that is precisely what I'm advocating them to become again. What it is right now is a highly conditional bonus (only people that spend real money, not even Steam wallet funds, during the sale and not a day sooner).


引用自 HereIsPlenty
If you are going to be critical then do not vaccilate between oh method A is awful, lets have method B and method B is bad, lets go back to A.

These forums are here precisely for the purpose of discussing the current state of affairs of Steam. People are free to criticize as they like, it's the only way we can obtain constructive discourse.
Art 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:42 
引用自 HereIsPlenty
No, no, people are whiny over a few things in the thread but consistently over change. What I have said about the sales being bonuses, still getting games when you want them and sales income generating sales items still applies.

It made no sense for wallet cash to be stored as capital. Why on earth would you do that? Because granny gave you £30 for your birthday? Then buy a game, you will buy others that year. Because you sold a lot of emoticons? Great, you are a trader who can then reinvest that into more emoticons. Other than that, makes zero sense.

Then again, I am not rich enough to store money on Steam - if I was then no doubt I would feel aggrieved that money that was insignificant enough to do that was not being counted for minor rewards.

Developed world problems, eh?
First of all It's easier for me to manage my budget by storing money on Steam wallet that I will spend on games anyway. Also Valve taught us that consumers have bonuses on big sales. So my buying pattern is that I buy a handful bunch of games on big sale that I will play the next six months, but sometimes it leads to impulse buy from time to time because I have enough money on my Steam wallet. And now the present system is teaching us that having Steam wallet funds beforehand is bad, so ok, lesson learned, so no impulse buys from me, because from this moment on no money on a Steam wallet.
最後修改者:Art; 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:47
HereIsPlenty 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:45 
Of course they are free to criticise. Just as I am doing in counterpoint. It is the fact that I am glad to see us go back to queues giving cards, crafting giving cards, sales giving cards. And there are special event badges, good options for the tokens including ranges of emote expressions, etc.

And I did not complain about the prior events either. Sure I had reservations but shrug, whatever, not going to change my life or make my bills cost less. Not going to make work colleagues more tolerable - playing games will though.

Why are we on Steam? Just to play and be part of a community. So yes I agree with a lot of what you say, Hattrick Patrick, except about the part of existing wallet funds. For regular normal practices wallet cash made no sense.

So here is a suggestion - spend that wallet cash on crafting badges, like we used to do (I did this again this time) and put actual money in for the much bigger discounts on games that are on this time.
HereIsPlenty 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:48 
And as to the last comment that arrived about managing your budget through Steam? I could start any number of positions on that one. If the money is critical enough then keep it for food or emergencies. If the budget is that tight then let me point out that I may have a library of games (bundle, cough, bundle) I am still 6k hours over 3 free to play games and just added another one I mean to start.

I love shiny new games sure but of the 7 I intend to get on this sale, they are all either dirt cheap or the only one that is a little more expensive is an art package I have waited months for - so yes I understand waiting but I will budget like a grown up, through banks, wages and general making do.
NO THIS IS HATTRICK 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:49 
引用自 HereIsPlenty
It made no sense for wallet cash to be stored as capital. Why on earth would you do that? Because granny gave you £30 for your birthday? Then buy a game, you will buy others that year. Because you sold a lot of emoticons? Great, you are a trader who can then reinvest that into more emoticons. Other than that, makes zero sense.

Actually there was a precedent for this in a previous sale where people could not make purchases with forms of payment other than Steam wallet funds on the last day of said sale due to heavy load on Steam's servers (might have been Christmas 2018), since everyone was trying to make purchases at the same ON TOP OF the servers being DDOS'd. Some of the details as I described might be wrong, as it was a while ago, but the gist of it is that after that, people started pre-loading their Steam wallets in anticipation of sales so that it wouldn't happen to them again.
HereIsPlenty 2019 年 12 月 19 日 下午 11:52 
Yeah well I am not new to Steam. I did however just buy what I wanted when the sales came up where possible - not expecing a 70% bonus to turn into a 90%. This time I am waiting to get paid. Since spare cash lying around is, like I have said, not a thing in the modern economy.

But given that the sale is on till 2nd January I see no strength in preloading wallets as an argument. Unless you think oh no its last minute fortnight, better put cash on a month in advance.
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