Steam does ask suddenly for ID, if I want to buy a game?

[Blitzwing]

Its very odd, just yesterday I could simply buy games, now it does ask for ID?
like where you life and phone number

Update 27.01.2020
Here is the proof, what steam does request now.
https://imgur.com/a/BPV7ZG8

Some people do "guess" its due to new laws in USA, but I do life in Germany.

There is still no official statement from Steam.

[isomorphic_projection]

Цитата допису NeXuS23:

Цитата допису isomorphic_projection:

ok i'm party 1, they are 2, irs is 3, how they gonna pay up to 4 my own countries irs.

1. First Party (Customer)
2. Second Party (Valve)
3. Third Party (Any natural or legal person, public authority, agency or body other than 1. and 2.)

Viewed this way, the payment processor itself of course is a third party and interestingly subsidiaries like Valve GmbH and Valve S.a.r.l mainly used for payment processing are also considered a third party, but as I know at least Valve S.a.r.l no longer exists since Jan 1, 2017.

But now regarding your fear of data transfer to the IRS, it would also be important to mention that some countries prohibits the transfer of personal data to foreign countries and others allows it only for approved countries with adequate level of data protection or only if they fully comply with their standards and laws etc.

But well the whole thing gets more and more complicated the more you read and then every country additionally has different regulations.

That 3th party better be in my own country. Cause the IRS is not in any direct way a legal party in the Netherlands why. I'm a dutch citizen, i pay tax here. They can't go through their own IRS first. Not with the data asked now in this case. So country, nothing more. They need it to pay VAT in my country, not to bill me.

[Tokrar]

Цитата допису isomorphic_projection:

Цитата допису NeXuS23:

1. First Party (Customer)
2. Second Party (Valve)
3. Third Party (Any natural or legal person, public authority, agency or body other than 1. and 2.)

Viewed this way, the payment processor itself of course is a third party and interestingly subsidiaries like Valve GmbH and Valve S.a.r.l mainly used for payment processing are also considered a third party, but as I know at least Valve S.a.r.l no longer exists since Jan 1, 2017.

But now regarding your fear of data transfer to the IRS, it would also be important to mention that some countries prohibits the transfer of personal data to foreign countries and others allows it only for approved countries with adequate level of data protection or only if they fully comply with their standards and laws etc.

But well the whole thing gets more and more complicated the more you read and then every country additionally has different regulations.

That 3th party better be in my own country. Cause the IRS is not in any direct way a legal party in the Netherlands why. I'm a dutch citizen, i pay tax here. They can't go through their own IRS first. Not with the data asked now in this case. So country, nothing more. They need it to pay VAT in my country, not to bill me.

Agreed but my tax admin never asked for my phone number ... I have an ID card, a bank account on which my salary is put and that is linked to the ID and that is all they need to work with to tax me.

Can't see my phone number being of any relevance when it comes to taxes. On the contrary, my government is doing active campaings on "not sharing personal data over the internet".

[isomorphic_projection]

Цитата допису Tokrar:

Цитата допису isomorphic_projection:

That 3th party better be in my own country. Cause the IRS is not in any direct way a legal party in the Netherlands why. I'm a dutch citizen, i pay tax here. They can't go through their own IRS first. Not with the data asked now in this case. So country, nothing more. They need it to pay VAT in my country, not to bill me.

Agreed but my tax admin never asked for my phone number ... I have an ID card, a bank account on which my salary is put and that is linked to the ID and that is all they need to work with to tax me.

Can't see my phone number being of any relevance when it comes to taxes. On the contrary, my government is doing active campaings on "not sharing personal data over the internet".

Same here, an active campaign not to share personal data online.

[Hunta]

ive been buying stuff for years without having to give you my adress

2020 comes around and suddenly i need to give you my billing adress? I think not.

[Cheezus Crisp]

It's for tax reasons. Read the other threads literally below yours.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

New year, new rules.

[Magma Dragoon]

You mean telling Valve you are in Farkas Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands?

[Hunta]

Цитата допису Magma Dragoon:

You mean telling Valve you are in Farkas Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands?

no literally giving them my adress

[Tokrar]

Цитата допису Odd 1:

Цитата допису Magma Dragoon:

You mean telling Valve you are in Farkas Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands?

LOL this got me pretty good.

I’m not understanding these threads. What’s wrong with giving Valve, a place you do business with your address? Amazon, eBay, PayPal, and others have your address. If you have facebook then I can’t even tell you how many times your info was leaked. Every time I have bought something off the internet I had to give my info.

When you get something from amazon in the mail your full address and phone number is on the label for the world to see. Is valve wanting info now really a big deal? Or am I missing something.

Someone people don't care about sharing this information, some do. I count myself in the latter category and would have preferred to get some communication from Steam upfront instead of being left to second-guess. Not everyone is comfortable with filling in personal data in a field that appears out of nowhere.

If it is indeed tax, should be pretty straight-forward to just refer to the new legislation. Like a pop-up the first time you pay now, saying "hey ... kindly note that because of ... we now require you to fill in these fields. Your data will be used for ..."

There is not necessarily a right or wrong here. I believe people just want to hear it from Valve / Steam and not from other forum users (in no way not diminishing their good intentions to help clarify this).

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Цитата допису Tokrar:

There is not necessarily a right or wrong here. I believe people just want to hear it from Valve / Steam and not from other forum users (in no way not diminishing their good intentions to help clarify this).

Ask support then. They will tell you what we have.

Valve is not going to reply here.

[Tokrar]

Цитата допису cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Цитата допису Tokrar:

There is not necessarily a right or wrong here. I believe people just want to hear it from Valve / Steam and not from other forum users (in no way not diminishing their good intentions to help clarify this).

Ask support then. They will tell you what we have.

Valve is not going to reply here.

:qr:

Not asking for a reply here. I referred to a pop-up or note when you are doing a transaction.

I don't get why people say "report them", "contact support", etc in all honesty. Is it that difficult to communicate upfront in a constructive way instead of people needing to go for a "confrontation" just to get an explanation?

[Thorba]

This new tax law must be exclusively for valve then, i checked all the other stores and none wants this data right now.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Цитата допису Thorba:

This new tax law must be exclusively for valve then, i checked all the other stores and none wants this data right now.

Thinking ahead rather than waiting until the last minute like they usually do is a far better solution.

[Porky Pig]

When I made my first purchase on steam five years ago, using my Debit Card, I had to put in my address.

Let me have a guess, maybe it's to prevent fraud

[Blitzwing]

Цитата допису Odd 1:

Цитата допису Magma Dragoon:

You mean telling Valve you are in Farkas Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands?

LOL this got me pretty good.

I’m not understanding these threads. What’s wrong with giving Valve, a place you do business with your address? Amazon, eBay, PayPal, and others have your address. If you have facebook then I can’t even tell you how many times your info was leaked. Every time I have bought something off the internet I had to give my info.

When you get something from amazon in the mail your full address and phone number is on the label for the world to see. Is valve wanting info now really a big deal? Or am I missing something.

Steam doesn't deliver games to me where I do life,
Steam doesn't need to call me,

so they don't need my address and phone number.

just this month on 22 January 2020 this happened

Цитата допису author:

Microsoft exposed 250M customer service records due to ‘misconfiguration’ of internal database

Microsoft exposed approximately 250 million customer service records due to what the company called a “misconfiguration of an internal customer support database” used for tracking support cases.

Tech review company Comparitech and security researcher Bob Diachenko spotted the exposed records. Comparitech’s security research team uncovered several “Elasticsearch servers,” which included 14 years worth of logs of conversations between Microsoft support representatives and customers from all over the world.

In a blog post about the incident, Microsoft said the issue stemmed from a Dec. 5 change to the database that “contained misconfigured security rules that enabled exposure of the data.” Comparitech and Diachenko notified Microsoft of the problem Dec. 31, and the tech giant quickly took steps to correct it.

“Misconfigurations are unfortunately a common error across the industry,” Microsoft wrote in the blog post. “We have solutions to help prevent this kind of mistake, but unfortunately, they were not enabled for this database.”

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/microsoft-exposed-250m-customer-service-records-due-misconfiguration-internal-database/


If it can happen to Microsoft, it can happen to any company.

Now Steam is much more interesting target for hackers than ever.
To know anonym accounts know games who cares, to know your played than "adult game" for 500 hours, and send us now 100 Euros or we tell your girlfriend and workplace dear "real life ID name" is a huge difference.

With my phone number, I can be easy found, and if it's a mobile phone even my current location.

I dont want Criminals to know my phone number, my games and where I do life.