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Strai 2019 年 11 月 27 日 上午 9:40
Modern Steam is a Disgrace
This 2019 vote has made me, yet again, painfully aware of how awful, disgusting, pathetic, and just generally bad modern day "gaming" has become. In an attempt to find anything worth voting for from 2019 (spoiler alert, there isn't anything), I found this exciting list:

https://steam250.com/2008 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2011 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2019 1 good game, which is a remake of a PS1 game, the rest of that list is memes and hentai.

Steam should really delete itself from existence at this point, if its going to be such a disgrace to the medium. Hopefully, the Epic store improves their UI soon, and destroys Steam, harder than Facebook did Myspace. Youtube could use a replacement too, while we're at it, they're in pretty sad shape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best Throw all that in with this. Note how there used to be 10+ great games a year, while there haven't been 10 great games in the last 10 years combined.

Thanks, gaming!
I need a new hobby...
最後修改者:Strai; 2019 年 11 月 27 日 上午 9:51
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?Syntax Error 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:07 
引用自 jfoytek
引用自 (Strai)

As far as I can tell, the PlayStation store curates their entries. If you were to get 100 random games there, 90% of them would likely be worth having.

I just looked at the releases on PlayStation and they are all the typical triple AAA trash games I have NO desire to play.

So again its about tastes and games like

Death Standing
Star Wars jedi fallen order
Call of Duty
Borderlands 3
The Outer World
Apex Legends
Resident Evil 2
Monster Hunter World

Etc Etc are all in my eyes crap games I have zero interest in playing!

I would Rather play
Foundation
Druidstone
Green Hell
Uboat
Ostriv - Not even on steam yet

Not released this year but give you a better idea of what I like:
Battle Brothers
RimWorld
Crusader Kings 2

^^^^ Now those are great games!

Most Triple AAA titles get worse every year!

Example's
Daggerfall was better then Morrowind which was better then Oblivion which was better then Skyrim

Or The Total War Franchise that just reskins the game every year and sells it for 59.99

I don't like mainstream games because there Never any good because the Big Name developers are making them for profit not with passion to make the best game!
One of the reasons why I put my PS4 back into the box. I would buy Resident Evil 2 if it did not have Denuvo. The rest is that AAA list is just well ... Not worth my time.
Zaskar 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:07 
引用自 (Strai)
https://steam250.com/price/10-15 Top rated Steam games under $15. 90% of those will give you eye cancer just for browsing the screenshots.

Sure. Let's forget TW3, Stardew Valley, VA-11 Hall-A, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, STEINS;GATES, The Forest, Payday, Dark Souls 3, FF7 and many others...

Again, what you don't like =/= what everyone dislike. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Erebus 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:09 
引用自 (Strai)
引用自 ?Syntax Error
Sure there are good games on Steam, just have to take the time to find them.

Problematic indeed.

Maybe Steam could just add a "not complete crap" filter to their store or something.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/grid/STORE-MSF77008-BLACKFRIDAY19DU/1?gameContentType=games PS4 games under $15, every one is a high quality experience worth playing.

https://steam250.com/price/10-15 Top rated Steam games under $15. 90% of those will give you eye cancer just for browsing the screenshots.
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1003-CUSA12057_00-PRJMTN0000000000
Zaskar 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:11 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 (Strai)

Problematic indeed.

Maybe Steam could just add a "not complete crap" filter to their store or something.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/grid/STORE-MSF77008-BLACKFRIDAY19DU/1?gameContentType=games PS4 games under $15, every one is a high quality experience worth playing.

https://steam250.com/price/10-15 Top rated Steam games under $15. 90% of those will give you eye cancer just for browsing the screenshots.
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1003-CUSA12057_00-PRJMTN0000000000

I would add that as well.
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0006-CUSA05364_00-ANTHEM1000000000
jfoytek 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:14 
Again to take it even further:

I have alot more fun playing

This is the Police
or
Gladiator School
or
Winklejte

All games that your Playstation 4 would likely curate out of existence!!!
Again your taste's don't match up with everyone's as many of us like games from Indy developers who are still trying to make a great game even if they don't have much money to do it!

RimWorld
and
BattleBrothers

Are perfect examples of 5 star games what wouldn't exist in your world...
Strai 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:17 
引用自 Erebus
You've been attacking whole genres. You've got some kind of bizarre bone to pick with DOTA. And so forth.

Oh, sure. The "taste" of literally illegal gambling addiction and/or porn shouldn't be allowed. Don't see how that's even up for debate.

引用自 Erebus
You're basically just campaigning for some faceless drone to arbitrarily decide what is that 90% (of crap), and what is the 10% that gets through. someone wholly biased because they'll want to avoid "hot topics" and maintain "valuable business relationships".

This is how Steam used to do it, and it worked better. This is how consoles still do it, and they make up 90% of sales.

引用自 Erebus
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1003-CUSA12057_00-PRJMTN0000000000

Indeed, a failure of the system, I'll assume similar to my good faith pre-order, but it never should have happened. But you guys going out of your way to pick out one-off specific bad games goes back to the exception vs rule thing. Its not "every game is bad rats" on the PS4 store, even if there are some bad rats that slip through. Which somebody should be held accountable for.


引用自 Zaskar
Sure. Let's forget TW3, Stardew Valley, VA-11 Hall-A, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, STEINS;GATES, The Forest, Payday, Dark Souls 3, FF7 and many others...

Was your point that all of those games are indeed terrible? Because all of those games are indeed terrible. Except maybe FF7, which is a PS1 game, that I hear is a terrible port, so still terrible.


引用自 jfoytek
All games that your Playstation 4 would likely curate out of existence!!!.

It wouldn't curate them out of existence, they would simply have to exist on their own merit, instead of a free ride on the Steam store. Factorio, for example, sold 100,000 copies before it released here.
Zaskar 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:22 
引用自 (Strai)
引用自 Zaskar
Sure. Let's forget TW3, Stardew Valley, VA-11 Hall-A, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, STEINS;GATES, The Forest, Payday, Dark Souls 3, FF7 and many others...

Was your point that all of those games are indeed terrible? Because all of those games are indeed terrible. Except maybe FF7, which is a PS1 game, that I hear is a terrible port, so still terrible

At this point, you're either a troll or really beyond any help. Terrible games, yeah, sure. :lunar2019laughingpig:

I surely thank God that you're not the one who curates a store. I would give up on gaming.
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Erebus 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:28 
引用自 (Strai)
Oh, sure. The "taste" of literally illegal gambling addiction and/or porn shouldn't be allowed. Don't see how that's even up for debate.

You realize there are literally tons of VNs that aren't porn right? And even of the ones that have "nsfw" content, many of them are censored to be the same version that consoles see. Playstation has a ton of all-ages VNs.

This is how Steam used to do it, and it worked better. This is how consoles still do it, and they make up 90% of sales.
As pointed out earlier it didn't work. Steam had a ton of crap no one would willingly buy. Some of the worst rated titles on Steam to date released before greenlight even happened.

Also consoles suck at it:

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP5682-CUSA17665_00-HRRSTRS301CNSLPS

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP4008-CUSA15611_00-BEESIEA000000000

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP9000-CUSA00068_00-KNACK00000000000

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP3995-CUSA09591_00-LTRUCKTYCOON2PS4


Which somebody should be held accountable for.
Yeah that's where you should learn a concept called personal responsibility. It's your money, you're at fault if you buy something that isn't good. Unless the marketing was outright false or the product literally defective (bad isn't the same as defective) it's your own damn fault.


引用自 Zaskar
Sure. Let's forget TW3, Stardew Valley, VA-11 Hall-A, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, STEINS;GATES, The Forest, Payday, Dark Souls 3, FF7 and many others...

Was your point that all of those games are indeed terrible? Because all of those games are indeed terrible. Except maybe FF7, which is a PS1 game, that I hear is a terrible port, so still terrible.
"I can't imagine anyone having a different point of view than my own. Even though various games have millions of sales and people that happily enjoy them, if I dislike them they are crap and don't belong on Steam."

Did you have helicopter parents as a child or something? I don't get how someone can be so self-absorbed.

instead of a free ride on the Steam store
Steam store isn't a free ride. It's survival of the fittest. Having a low barrier to entry means everyone has to actually put work forth. Whereas back in the "golden days" when a crappy indie hit steam it made massive bank because the PC platform was starved for content.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:37 
引用自 (Strai)
This 2019 vote has made me, yet again, painfully aware of how awful, disgusting, pathetic, and just generally bad modern day "gaming" has become. In an attempt to find anything worth voting for from 2019 (spoiler alert, there isn't anything), I found this exciting list:

https://steam250.com/2008 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2011 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2019 1 good game, which is a remake of a PS1 game, the rest of that list is memes and hentai.
You're wrong; I've only played four games released on Steam in 2019, and two of them are good games.

Though, neither of them is on that 2019 list, because they're just not popular enough. So much for popularity being a metric for quality. :P

(The other two either didn't let me rebind keyboard keys or wasn't fun anymore after several levels.)

引用自 (Strai)
Steam should really delete itself from existence at this point, if its going to be such a disgrace to the medium.
No, it shouldn't because I'm still dependent on Steam servers to get permission to play some of my games, because of @#$%ing DRM.

引用自 (Strai)
Hopefully, the Epic store improves their UI soon, and destroys Steam, harder than Facebook did Myspace.
No, hopefully GOG destroys them all.

引用自 (Strai)
Youtube could use a replacement too, while we're at it, they're in pretty sad shape.
The problem with YouTube is that it became too big to fail, as opposed to being one of at least several major video sites. It's a different problem.

引用自 (Strai)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best Throw all that in with this. Note how there used to be 10+ great games a year, while there haven't been 10 great games in the last 10 years combined.
You do realize that (1) it takes time for something to be considered notable enough and commended enough by other sources (due to Wikipedia's "no original research" rule) to get onto that list, and (2) you're still basically appealing to a popularity contest, right?

引用自 (Strai)
Thanks, gaming!
I need a new hobby...
Check your local park for nature trails.

No, I'm serious; it's really gratifying to learn about local flora and fauna. I've been doing that lately myself. Also you basically get to play Pokémon-collecting but with real life.


引用自 (Strai)
But are they dealing with all the "visual novels"? Which A, should be free, B, shouldn't be on a gaming platform, and C, are most of the time literally just porn?
I dunno about you but a good darn lot of visual novels are known for their storylines. Some of them also can contain porn (particularly if you get the patch for that), but some don't.

Then there's a bunch of less noteworthy stuff. But that's like, for every genre.

引用自 (Strai)
How about Early Access? Are they deleting that scam of a concept from existence?
Probably not, but I'm not giving it any of my money.

Also, it ain't always a scam. But I do prefer buying finished products...unless I happen to think they're worth more than just a game and worth investing in, like a Kickstarter project. And those cases are rare.

引用自 (Strai)
What about indie games in general? Or having any kind of quality control whatsoever?
I'm pretty sure some of the indie games I've played and enjoyed wouldn't be on Steam if Valve had tried to curate things manually. Both because they have different tastes than me and because they'd be drowning in submissions.

Valve has been trying to gradually either automate or let the community decide on stuff, rather than having a hand in it. (Ironically, the exception is the Steam client, which they horribly mangled right in time for Halloween.)

引用自 (Strai)
There was a time when buying a game on Steam guaranteed it was worth your money. Now its basically the opposite.
I don't know why you'd blindly buy games on Steam just because they're on Steam; that would be like blindly buying stuff in a bookstore and expecting to like it.

Besides, since games DO get incredibly cheap, if I don't know what it is, I simply wait until it's cheap enough (to my liking) before buying it.


引用自 (Strai)
引用自 Herald_UK
So Steam is to blame cos gamers vote for trash ? Is that it ? some folk..... ?

Steam (and YouTube) is responsible for bring that trash to the mainstream. And for not doing anything about meme reviews.
I've commented before that Steam should have a minimum word count for reviews, which would at the very least somewhat impede meme reviews.


引用自 (Strai)
So you mean steam should moderate reviews? They should be one-sided,work with developers and ban any review against? No,thanks.

They should remove blatantly irrelevant reviews. Like a cooking recipe. Though, actually, what they should do, is simply remove the written requirement for reviews. Not only would that make reviews more accessible, but more honest.
I support this idea, as well as the flipside of making it possible to leave a review without picking either an upvote or downvote.


引用自 (Strai)
A. Because all games should be free2play, they can make money in better ways, and VNs certainly have little-to-no value. Plus, they used to be free, when they were on Flash platforms, where they belong, if even.
1. Eww, free-to-play. Free-to-play games often have microtransactions. Screw that crap. I'd rather just pay once for the game and then have it in complete form.

2. If you think that VNs "have little-to-no value", then I guess you don't like bookstores.

3. Try to find me when Phoenix Wright or Steins;Gate or fault milestone one or The Fruit of Grisaia "used to be free". (Piracy does not count.) Or, for that matter, were on Flash. (Fangames don't count.) (Protip: a lot of visual novels use the Ren'py engine. Flash is rarely ever used, except for amateur projects. You may want to actually learn about the object of your criticism before being so sure of yourself.)


引用自 (Strai)
Why would I give up my existing Steam library? They used to have good games. I spend probably 10x less here than I used to, while my Epic library is coming along nicely, and a bit of PS4 on the side. Epic should just buyout Steam.
Nah, Epic's CEO is a jerkwad.

Instead, Epic should go DRM-free. And so should Steam.


引用自 (Strai)
引用自 Satoru
Ah yes the logical fallacy of "Thinks I dont like" means "these things suck"

How is that a fallacy? If the thing didn't suck, I would like it, eh?
N.B. "suck" is not an objective assessment but is based on one's tastes.

You may be interested to know that, according to your profile, you've spent 189 hours playing a game I don't see any reason for me to play.
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Strai 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:38 
引用自 Zaskar
I surely thank God that you're not the one who curates a store. I would give up on gaming.

Seems to work pretty well for consoles https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/4ofqrz/♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/



引用自 Erebus
You realize there are literally tons of VNs that aren't porn right? And even of the ones that have "nsfw" content, many of them are censored to be the same version that consoles see. Playstation has a ton of all-ages VNs.

Then those ones don't need to be taken down? Though arguably the entire genre fails a quality check, as un-animated, un-voiced doodles behind textboxes doesn't qualify as a game. But whatever if people wanna buy non-porn books, I'm fine enough with that. Just like I have little interest in sports games, but its fine if people want to buy them.

引用自 Erebus
Also consoles suck at it:

How many times are you going to fail to make this same bad rats point?

引用自 Erebus
Unless the marketing was outright false or the product literally defective (bad isn't the same as defective) it's your own damn fault.

How is a bad game not defective? You brought up Ark, so you're probably a hater against that, so lets use that as an example in my favor. The doors in Ark are buggy as hell. They fail to open, they can randomly unlock, they can fail to let you walk through them because of lag, and probably other issues. Is that not defective? If I bought a door in real life, and it was that broken, I would certainly return it, so how do bad video games not fail the same defective check?

引用自 Erebus
"I can't imagine anyone having a different point of view than my own. Even though various games have millions of sales and people that happily enjoy them, if I dislike them they are crap and don't belong on Steam."

Oh I can understand it, the problem is that people with different "opinions" than me are just objectively wrong, and therefore irrelevant. For example, one of the reasons I pre-ordered FO76 was to play with my fiance. She had never played a FO game before, and couldn't understand why everyone hated it so much. Then I got her FO4 and it blew her mind what a piece of scam trash FO76 was. That's you, about every other game, apparently.

引用自 Erebus
Steam store isn't a free ride.

It absolutely is. Releasing on the Steam store returns a guaranteed profit on a potentially free investment. Which is why everyone is trying to intentionally make the lowest quality product they possibly can nowadays. Throw in some meme or some hentai and those freebie sales go up by probably 10,000%
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Quint the Alligator Snapper 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:42 
引用自 Syrrah
I think the point of the awards is to nominate games that you PLAYED, not games you found on a list composed by someone else.

I mean ... there has to be some recent game that you actually liked? We've been seeing some pretty good retro FPS-es this year for example (Amid Evil, Dusk, the new Blood, Ion Fury, ...). The Indie scene is doing very well also. The new Star Wars game if you absolutely want an AAA title?
It's a little difficult for me since I've only played four 2019 Steam releases.

Fortunately, Atelier released five games so I nominated a couple of them instead.



引用自 (Strai)
引用自 Syrrah
I think the point of the awards is to nominate games that you PLAYED, not games you found on a list composed by someone else.

I started that way, but the 10 or so games that popped up on my list were all hot garbage, so I went looking for something actually worth voting for, which didn't exist, so I just voted for all the games on my list by default to get the achievement out of the way.
Don't worry; you're not the only one who basically wonderposted a nomination list. I did too.
Erebus 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:48 
引用自 (Strai)
Then those ones don't need to be taken down? Though arguably the entire genre fails a quality check, as un-animated, un-voiced doodles behind textboxes doesn't qualify as a game. But whatever if people wanna buy non-porn books, I'm fine enough with that. Just like I have little interest in sports games, but its fine if people want to buy them.
There you fail again. Some are animated. Some are voiced. Some have way more voiced lines than your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fallout 4 game.

How is a bad game not defective? You brought up Ark, so you're probably a hater against that, so lets use that as an example in my favor. The doors in Ark are buggy as hell. They fail to open, they can randomly unlock, they can fail to let you walk through them because of lag, and probably other issues. Is that not defective? If I bought a door in real life, and it was that broken, I would certainly return it, so how do bad video games not fail the same defective check?
low quality isn't the same as defective

You buy low quality cheese, its kinda oily, salty, and doesn't melt well... you can still use it as "cheese" and it's still edible... it's just not good. Defective would be like something renders it inedible.

Oh I can understand it, the problem is that people with different "opinions" than me are just objectively wrong, and therefore irrelevant.
On top of looking up quality and defective in the dictionary you might as well add objectively to the pile and look up the word "opinion" for good measure.


It absolutely is. Releasing on the Steam store returns a guaranteed profit on a potentially free investment. Which is why everyone is trying to intentionally make the lowest quality product they possibly can nowadays. Throw in some meme or some hentai and those freebie sales go up by probably 10,000%
False which is precisely why some indies bawl their eyes out on twitter and their games "journalist" friends rant that steam needs gatekeeping.
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Blargo 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:50 
Yowza.
Strai 2019 年 11 月 28 日 下午 6:53 
引用自 Erebus
On top of looking up quality and defective in the dictionary you might as well add objectively to the pile and look up the word "opinion" for good measure.

Sure, lets play.
Defective:
- imperfect or faulty.
- lacking or deficient.

That's 99% of Early Access games, and 90% of indie games. Ark's inability to walk through a door sure sounds "imperfect or faulty". Unanimated unvoiced text boxes as a way to deliver a story is certainly "lacking or deficient", unless its a port of some decades old PS1 game, when that was about the extent of technology. Hell, even those were usually animated, and when they port them they often add voice acting. MGS1 was even voice acted way back when.
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