Modern Steam is a Disgrace

[Strai]

This 2019 vote has made me, yet again, painfully aware of how awful, disgusting, pathetic, and just generally bad modern day "gaming" has become. In an attempt to find anything worth voting for from 2019 (spoiler alert, there isn't anything), I found this exciting list:

https://steam250.com/2008 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2011 5+ amazing games
https://steam250.com/2019 1 good game, which is a remake of a PS1 game, the rest of that list is memes and hentai.

Steam should really delete itself from existence at this point, if its going to be such a disgrace to the medium. Hopefully, the Epic store improves their UI soon, and destroys Steam, harder than Facebook did Myspace. Youtube could use a replacement too, while we're at it, they're in pretty sad shape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best Throw all that in with this. Note how there used to be 10+ great games a year, while there haven't been 10 great games in the last 10 years combined.

Thanks, gaming!
I need a new hobby...

[Strai]

Erebus の投稿を引用：

Yeah curation only lets in quality... Oh wait.

As I said last time you (or somebody) made that point, its not that there weren't exceptions to the rule before. Its that now the rule is "every game is bad rats", and the exceptions are when there's actually a good game.

[Paratech2008]

I have over 600 hours played with 10 games made in the past 10 years, some even 5.

They are a number of diverse games, farming, racing, fighting, arcade shooters.

Its not hard to ignore the bad games, but people have a right to buy what others dislike.

[Erebus]

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

Erebus の投稿を引用：

Yeah curation only lets in quality... Oh wait.

As I said last time you (or somebody) made that point, its not that there weren't exceptions to the rule before. Its that now the rule is "every game is bad rats", and the exceptions are when there's actually a good game.

Again your tastes aren't a template everyone else lives by.

Sekiro, DMCV, RE2 Remake, Jedi Fallen Order, Bloodstained, Code Vein, and a number of other games have released this year to positive reception. Dozens and dozens of smaller titles too.

It's your own personal problem if stuff isn't to your tastes.

[jfoytek]

Been ignoring this thread but the OP is a bit crazy!

First off I do agree with the OP that Steam has gone down hill but that's because of this horrible library!!!

As for the quality of games on steam!?! "WTF" does that have to do with steam??? It has nothing to do with steam.

Now as for your personal Poor Tastes "Yes I am looking at you OP"

There have been several decent games released on steam this year:

Foundation
Druidstone
Green Hell
Project Winter
Planet Zoo
Outward
Greedfall
Strategic Mind: The Pacific
Uboat

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

[Strai]

Paratech2008 の投稿を引用：

I have over 600 hours played with 10 games made in the past 10 years, some even 5.

Is this even a real account? You own over 3,000 games but only have like 1 hour in 10% of them.

Erebus の投稿を引用：

Again your tastes aren't a template everyone else lives by.

Quality isn't taste. A good farming game vs a good fighting game is taste. A farming game that runs at 12 FPS, has bad graphics, and a buggy broken UI, on the other hand...

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

Been ignoring this thread but the OP is a bit crazy!

Mostly

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

As for the quality of games on steam!?! "WTF" does that have to do with steam??? It has nothing to do with steam.

Steam (and YouTube) selling literally any game has changed the design philosophy from "I have to make the best game so people will even see it!" to "I have to make the worst possible game as fast as possible!"


Look at it like this. If you won the Steam lottery, and got 100 random games for free, what % of those games would be worth playing from today's Steam vs 2011's? 10% now vs 90% then?

[jfoytek]

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

Steam (and YouTube) selling literally any game has changed the design philosophy from "I have to make the best game so people will even see it!" to "I have to make the worst possible game as fast as possible!"


Look at it like this. If you won the Steam lottery, and got 100 random games for free, what % of those games would be worth playing from today's Steam vs 2011's? 10% now vs 90% then?

Again this has nothing to do with steam!

If you were given 100 Random games on "Insert Console Name" (None of these games are on Steam) compared to games on Nintendo or Atari in the 90's you would still have the exact same thing...

Again its not steam do anything in this instance!

in the 90's the Demographic of people who would be interested in a video game was far smaller then now....

I am in my 50's and I am a hardcore gamer, everyone games these days thus its a market far more business's and corporations are trying to tap into and again the quality arguement is irrelavent as steam is a reseller and they will resell anything.

And they should it makes them money!

Just wish this greedy corporate clowns could give us back a decent library!!!

[?Syntax Error]

I like this evolution really. The more crap gets on Steam , the better I feel. Because that is how I grew up, 1000's of games on the commodore 64 and Amiga 500. And a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ones.

So why whine about ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games? It's a never ending cycle. You play what you want to play , it's subjective.

I do have to agree on the hentai games tho ... But hey no offense to the people who like that .

[Maggie]

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

This 2019 vote has made me, yet again, painfully aware of how awful, disgusting, pathetic, and just generally bad modern day "gaming" has become.
I need a new hobby...

Honestly this year was a bit dry for me and part of the problem comes from you can only vote from games that got published as a full game in 2019. I had a few good things I could nominate like "DUSK" which was an amazing fps game that is sort of like a modern doom. I did have a lot of games I've brought this year though that were good but they were published in 2017 or 2018 so weren't eligible. I have a lot of games I'm keeping an eye on coming next year too and a lot of those games were 2019 release that got delayed. There is still the gearbox fiasco too or I would have another game probably to add to the awards and the outerworlds wasn't released on steam; only store I would say to buy it from is microsoft but still holding out on it for steam at this point.

EDIT: here's some games I've played/brought that are new this year and I loved a LOT there are way more good ones too these are just what stuck out the most.

Remnant: from the ashes
Risk of rain 2
Gensokyo night festival (early access only first level released but beautiful and smooth)
Spyro Trilogy (haven't played the trilogy yet but played them on ps1)

These are some games that again have caught my eye and look really interesting released in 2019 but I haven't brought or played any of these below.

Noita
Void Bast ards (profanity filter might block out bastards even with a space)
Blasephemous
Bloodstained: ritual of the night
Children of morta
Eagle island
Sekiro: shadows die twice
Flowscape (3d art program for world building)
RAD
Undermine
Sangaria
Valfaris
Postal 4
The pit: infinity (also want to play the first game in SOTFS series)
Minoria
Valley of decay (free but haven't gotten around to it still)
Batmud
WRATH: aeon of ruin

[Strai]

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

If you were given 100 Random games on "Insert Console Name" (None of these games are on Steam) compared to games on Nintendo or Atari in the 90's you would still have the exact same thing...

As far as I can tell, the PlayStation store curates their entries. If you were to get 100 random games there, 90% of them would likely be worth having.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/grid/STORE-MSF77008-BLACKFRIDAY19LP/1

There's a few sports games on that list I wouldn't be interested (because taste, not quality), but everything else looks solid. Good luck finding a list like that on Steam.

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

Just wish this greedy corporate clowns could give us back a decent library!!!

The new library functions almost exactly the same, aside from having a homepage and a fancier per-game page. Or are you saying the old one wasn't good enough as well?

?Syntax Error の投稿を引用：

So why whine about ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games?

Cause I have lots of free time since there's no good games on Steam to play =P

[?Syntax Error]

Sure there are good games on Steam, just have to take the time to find them.

It's the same with music and movies, beyond all the BS there is good tings to be found.

Some personal suggestions of mine : AMID EVIL, Dusk, Slay The Spire, We were here together(play with a friend).

[Strai]

?Syntax Error の投稿を引用：

Sure there are good games on Steam, just have to take the time to find them.

Problematic indeed.

Maybe Steam could just add a "not complete crap" filter to their store or something.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/grid/STORE-MSF77008-BLACKFRIDAY19DU/1?gameContentType=games PS4 games under $15, every one is a high quality experience worth playing.

https://steam250.com/price/10-15 Top rated Steam games under $15. 90% of those will give you eye cancer just for browsing the screenshots.

[Paratech2008]

I supported Greenlight bundles and many weren't up to snuff. I supported bundles where I only wanted 1 or 2 games because the bundle cost less than the 1 or 2 games ever cost even on sale.

I've also made mistakes in buying some games, I buy less now, but I buy smarter than I did over 10 years ago when I started my Steam account.

[jfoytek]

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

As far as I can tell, the PlayStation store curates their entries. If you were to get 100 random games there, 90% of them would likely be worth having.

I just looked at the releases on PlayStation and they are all the typical triple AAA trash games I have NO desire to play.

So again its about tastes and games like

Death Standing
Star Wars jedi fallen order
Call of Duty
Borderlands 3
The Outer World
Apex Legends
Resident Evil 2
Monster Hunter World

Etc Etc are all in my eyes crap games I have zero interest in playing!

I would Rather play
Foundation
Druidstone
Green Hell
Uboat
Ostriv - Not even on steam yet

Not released this year but give you a better idea of what I like:
Battle Brothers
RimWorld
Crusader Kings 2

^^^^ Now those are great games!

Most Triple AAA titles get worse every year!

Example's
Daggerfall was better then Morrowind which was better then Oblivion which was better then Skyrim

Or The Total War Franchise that just reskins the game every year and sells it for 59.99

I don't like mainstream games because there Never any good because the Big Name developers are making them for profit not with passion to make the best game!

[?Syntax Error]

Paratech2008 の投稿を引用：

I supported Greenlight bundles and many weren't up to snuff. I supported bundles where I only wanted 1 or 2 games because the bundle cost less than the 1 or 2 games ever cost even on sale.

I've also made mistakes in buying some games, I buy less now, but I buy smarter than I did over 10 years ago when I started my Steam account.

Yea, I recently stopped buying total crap, well I got alot of games deleted from store anyway, not that it matters. I like to play bad games sometimes when I'm bored.

[Erebus]

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

Erebus の投稿を引用：

Again your tastes aren't a template everyone else lives by.

Quality isn't taste. A good farming game vs a good fighting game is taste. A farming game that runs at 12 FPS, has bad graphics, and a buggy broken UI, on the other hand...

Except you've not been arguing that specifically (and your purchasing habits supports things that go counter to that).

You've been attacking whole genres. You've got some kind of bizarre bone to pick with DOTA. And so forth.

(Strai) の投稿を引用：

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

If you were given 100 Random games on "Insert Console Name" (None of these games are on Steam) compared to games on Nintendo or Atari in the 90's you would still have the exact same thing...

As far as I can tell, the PlayStation store curates their entries. If you were to get 100 random games there, 90% of them would likely be worth having.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/grid/STORE-MSF77008-BLACKFRIDAY19LP/1

There's a few sports games on that list I wouldn't be interested (because taste, not quality), but everything else looks solid. Good luck finding a list like that on Steam.

jfoytek の投稿を引用：

Just wish this greedy corporate clowns could give us back a decent library!!!

The new library functions almost exactly the same, aside from having a homepage and a fancier per-game page. Or are you saying the old one wasn't good enough as well?

?Syntax Error の投稿を引用：

So why whine about ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games?

Cause I have lots of free time since there's no good games on Steam to play =P

There's garbage on consoles too you know, and less choices. And a number of gems that don't and wouldn't ever get passed the crappy way they curate.

You ever heard of 'Sturgeon's law'? The whole 90% of everything is crap/crud? The thing with curation is it's always someone else deciding which is which. Some might be overly strict on factors buyers don't give a damn about, and some might phone it in because a publisher is already a known entity. A large amount of crap games pre-Greenlight got on Steam by being under the banner of small to mid-sized publishers... they'd bypass the curation because of the business relationship. That too is an unavoidable part of curation because if you notice Fallout 76 is on the consoles whose curation you love oh so much. The business relationship is more important than "quality assurance".

You're basically just campaigning for some faceless drone to arbitrarily decide what is that 90% (of crap), and what is the 10% that gets through. someone wholly biased because they'll want to avoid "hot topics" and maintain "valuable business relationships".

I'd rather decide for myself... since I can do a competent job of finding entertainment for myself. I don't need you or a store drone deciding what I enjoy or whether it is "quality" in your eyes.