Valve is terrified that Discord will open a digital retail market

[lockwoodx]

It's why they are forcing this new buggy clunky garbage upon us. Discord has superior social features and over 130 million users. Valve is playing catch-up and the users are suffering for it.

[Satoru]

ploppo původně napsal:

lockwoodx původně napsal:

Valve is terrified that Discord will open a digital retail market
It's why they are forcing this new buggy clunky garbage upon us. Discord has superior social features and over 130 million users. Valve is playing catch-up and the users are suffering for it.

I didn't read the whole thread, but they have now:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-08-09-discord-takes-on-steam-with-its-own-game-store

I accept I might be late to the party on this.

To me though there's a fairly strong counter example to Discord failing in this regard

Twitch

No one is going to argue twitch has zillions of users. It also has the power of Amazon behind it. 50% of US users have amazon prime, so basically they also have twitch prime. Twitch prime gives away games constantly. Twitch Prime users are by definition, mega spenders on Amazon to the point they want to pay extra for faster shipping. They are a self selecting ideal demographic of consumers with tons of disposable income. You can purchase games directly from twitch streams you watch. You literally have millions of users glued to an interface that has a button for "buy now" for the game you're watching. Yet. No one buys stuff.

Sure twitch is better than steam broadcasting. But there's not a lot of data showing that the people watching twitch streams are buying anything off of it. And twitch is years ahead of discord with regards to payment integration, product integration and overall development directly into their client.

Twitch has users but no actual buyers of games (note twitch is very good at making people spend money on subscriptions to twitch channels, but it can't seem to convert those people to buy actual games)

I dont see how Discord is gonna be different if Twitch+Amazon can barely convince people to buy stuff. Note their strategy of "we have exclusive games for 90 days" hasn't worked for Beamdog or Microsoft so again how are you gonna convince people to buy a game on that platform. Users really only do that reluctantly then go back to steam for everything else.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Quint the Calavera původně napsal:

ploppo původně napsal:

I didn't read the whole thread, but they have now:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-08-09-discord-takes-on-steam-with-its-own-game-store

I accept I might be late to the party on this.

So Discord finally figured out one possible way to make money. I guess there goes their innocence. :P

I think their innocence has been long gone since they confirm they do go out of their way to collect everyone data that was posted, or share over their service, but I don't remember if they said they share the data with anyone other than governments and law enforcement, but I do know they keep data.

[Satoru]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 původně napsal:

Quint the Calavera původně napsal:

So Discord finally figured out one possible way to make money. I guess there goes their innocence. :P

I think their innocence has been long gone since they confirm they do go out of their way to collect everyone data that was posted, or share over their service, but I don't remember if they said they share the data with anyone other than governments and law enforcement, but I do know they keep data.

I don't see how anyone thought they were not selling data to everyone. Not many users buy Nitro and that model isnt sustainable.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Satoru původně napsal:

ploppo původně napsal:

I didn't read the whole thread, but they have now:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-08-09-discord-takes-on-steam-with-its-own-game-store

I accept I might be late to the party on this.

To me though there's a fairly strong counter example to Discord failing in this regard

Twitch

No one is going to argue twitch has zillions of users. It also has the power of Amazon behind it. 50% of US users have amazon prime, so basically they also have twitch prime. Twitch prime gives away games constantly. You can purchase games directly from twitch streams you watch. You literally have millions of users glued to an interface that has a button for "buy now" for the game you're watching

Sure twitch is better than steam broadcasting. But there's not a lot of data showing that the people watching twitch streams are buying anything off of it. And twitch is years ahead of discord with regards to payment integration, product integration and overall development directly into their client.

Twitch has users but no actual buyers of games (note twitch is very good at making people spend money on subscriptions to twitch channels, but it can't seem to convert those people to buy actual games)

I dont see how Discord is gonna be different if Twitch+Amazon can barely convince people to buy stuff. Note their strategy of "we have exclusive games for 90 days" hasn't worked for Beamdog or Microsoft so again how are you gonna convince people to buy a game on that platform. Users really only do that reluctantly then go back to steam for everything else.

That's the joke, no one wants to bring up Twitch, or even want to use it to compare to any other service. It really make you think why GoG, and Steam are still top dogs all these years, and still going to be top dogs for many years to come due to the fact it's already are a huge platform, it's already has the tools, and everything that pubs/devs wants, and most likely wouldn't matter, unless other platforms offer much lower percentage compare to Steam/GoG, like 10% or 15%, which was the trend going on with Apple fighting with Google for the market app sales.

Satoru původně napsal:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 původně napsal:

I think their innocence has been long gone since they confirm they do go out of their way to collect everyone data that was posted, or share over their service, but I don't remember if they said they share the data with anyone other than governments and law enforcement, but I do know they keep data.

I don't see how anyone thought they were not selling data to everyone. Not many users buy Nitro and that model isnt sustainable.

Well if they make the subscription service just like Twitch, you get free game/s each month it then might be, but if not then yea the model isnt sustainable as you said, if they plan to compete with other services. I highly doubt any of the other services are threaten at all.

[lockwoodx]

I told you so: https://www.pcgamer.com/discord-to-start-selling-games-plans-steam-like-universal-game-launching-tab/

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 původně napsal:

Quint the Calavera původně napsal:

So Discord finally figured out one possible way to make money. I guess there goes their innocence. :P

I think their innocence has been long gone since they confirm they do go out of their way to collect everyone data that was posted, or share over their service, but I don't remember if they said they share the data with anyone other than governments and law enforcement, but I do know they keep data.

I've already been annoyed at their tracking what games I play and basically forcing the games tab on me.

[βird]

lockwoodx původně napsal:

It's why they are forcing this new buggy clunky garbage upon us. Discord has superior social features and over 130 million users. Valve is playing catch-up and the users are suffering for it.

This is it. The final countdown. Discord has officially declared that it is going to start selling games, and are actually curate their service with hand picked games from the Discord community, and not let 20+ games release on their service daily. Everyone white knighting Steam and saying it will never happen just got truely BTFO'ed.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/9/17665340/discord-game-sales-thq-deep-silver

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lockwoodx původně napsal:

It's why they are forcing this new buggy clunky garbage upon us. Discord has superior social features and over 130 million users. Valve is playing catch-up and the users are suffering for it.

Steam is meant for games, it isn't a fb clone.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Ƥyrefeather původně napsal:

lockwoodx původně napsal:

It's why they are forcing this new buggy clunky garbage upon us. Discord has superior social features and over 130 million users. Valve is playing catch-up and the users are suffering for it.

This is it. The final countdown. Discord has officially declared that it is going to start selling games, and are actually curate their service with hand picked games from the Discord community, and not let 20+ games release on their service daily. Everyone white knighting Steam and saying it will never happen just got truely BTFO'ed.
https://youtu.be/zXWYiTM-K9s?t=142

Remember time Gog was a hot trend about being DRM free an all that 12 years?
Remember time EA made Origin, and only sell their newer games on Origin only 7 years ago?
Remember time Twitch open up their own retail platform?
Remember Greenman doing it as we, and all other sites, and so on...

Some how Steam still most common platform to buy games for all these years. As Satoru as pointed out above about Twitch, a huge amount of people use Twitch, and is back by Amazon, and yet, Steam still top of it all, go fig right?

I doubt everyone will go out of their way to rebuy the games they already own on another platform, because that will just be throwing money, and if those that are trying to make a point about buying games on another platforms only prove further that when another service comes by, they be eager to jump another platform *just because whatever reason* which is nice to have more services to get games from, but will cause inconvenience to everyone having games all over the place, which was kind of the point i'm explaining this.

Also Emuparadise getting shutdown?

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Ƥyrefeather původně napsal:

This is it. The final countdown.

IT'S THE FIIIINAAAAAL COOOOUNTDOOOWN!! *hard rock music plays*

Ƥyrefeather původně napsal:

Discord has officially declared that it is going to start selling games, and are actually curate their service with hand picked games from the Discord community, and not let 20+ games release on their service daily.

I have a simple test for them.

1. Are they selling the games I want?
2. What DRM are they using to provide those games?

Right now, their highly curated selection is failing the first test, so I'm not interested yet.

FWIW, Steam is still a second choice for me, because of its DRM.

[SPG]

And let us not forget the coming launching of WeGame in Hong Kong (Tencent), a precursor for global distribution. Now, they ARE a company that has mega money and have a stake in Epic Games, Riot Games, Activision-Blizzard, and PUBG Corporation.

Everyone seems to be chipping away at Steam

[RiO]

Wouldn't it be fantastic if Valve have been sitting on a half-finished Half-Life 3 all this time, just to have an ace-in-the-hole for a situation such as this?

Where they can easily re-corner the market with it.



Hey; stranger things now literally have happened. ;-)

[echelon]

 echelon původně napsal:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 původně napsal:

OP won't tell you, or show you proof, he trolling.

Discord aren't going to be selling games, but I did see a video about this a few weeks ago (not about Discord selling games, but about Valve being scared of Discord), I'm pretty sure The Know posted it but I can't find it on their channel, but I remembered that the info came from superdata so instead I found the article referenced.

https://www.superdataresearch.com/why-discord-is-the-biggest-threat-steam-has-faced-in-years/

Well I take this back D: