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βird 2018 年 6 月 23 日 下午 11:05
The cheating problem in Saliens
As it stands, there are a ton of people using scripts to cheat in the game. A lot of them coming from the sub-reddit /r/saliens, and their steam group that was recently made.
And it shows because a group that was made like 3 days ago is on the top ranked groups. They are using scripts to play the game, and it isn't fair to regular people.
As it stands, they are winning all of the Steam games, maximizing their levels, and getting easy badges, items, and steam cards they can sell on the market for money.
My question is why is Valve allowing people to cheat? This is even worse than the 2015 monster clickr game, because in this you're not just winning a ranked badge. On top of leveling up a badge for free, you're winning cards and items you can sell, and having a way higher chance of winning free games while the honest players recieve nothing.
This is incredibly unfair and if your going to have events where you give away free stuff to cheaters, you may as well not have an event at all.
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Shotgun 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:09 
引用自 Zero
引用自 Marma
I think Valve are just toying with cheaters/scripters.

Towards the end of the sale, they will release boss fights with massive XP rewards, allowing everyone to obtain the maximum level badge in under an hour of legitimate play.
That. would be beautiful. The best way to troll cheaters and make them feel like they wasted their time. I have not a single problem with people who cheat and want their badges through this mindless grind but such a thing happening would also be nice. Cheaters might complain but that's also their problem. At the end, everyone will get what they want anyway. If only, though. :P
No one will complain about this or feel trolled, trust me. In fact, all of the script-running collectives fully expect this to happen.
FMP 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:21 
引用自 Zero
Even if they did. Ask yourself. Would it stop anybody? The drama is not caused by Valve's lack of answer but caused by people's complaining. It's a slightly different perspective. And whatever happens, mods can decide to lock every threads about it thereafter. Drama is caused by users.

Stop no, but the ones that want to can join in. A slightly different perspective indeed.

People complain because they don't have a definitive answer because the mighty Valve are unable to legitimise a play style for a game they designed. So no, the drama is caused by Valve, it's just voiced by the users.

Cause and effect.
最后由 FMP 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:34
Seraphita 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:42 
As far as I saw, people complain because "Oh noes, people are cheating and it's unfair, boohoo". Valve's only move here is that they made a game with too much grind. People would obviously cheat it to not waste their entire life grinding a poor flash game. Sure, in this case, Valve is who started the whole thing. People really have no reasons to complain about the CHEATING, tho...

They should instead complain about the system itself. It's not what this topic does. So... Yeah...
FMP 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:56 
引用自 Zero
As far as I saw, people complain because "Oh noes, people are cheating and it's unfair, boohoo". Valve's only move here is that they made a game with too much grind.
People would obviously cheat it to not waste their entire life grinding a poor flash game. Sure, in this case, Valve is who started the whole thing. People really have no reasons to complain about the CHEATING, tho...

They should instead complain about the system itself. It's not what this topic does. So... Yeah...


If you believe that then answer the OPs question with a source from Valve.

Why are they allowed to cheat?

Afterall, if the answer is everyone can, then it's fair isn't it and the source of the complaints go away because it's not cheating if it's a legitimate play style

Cause & effect.


最后由 FMP 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 10:56
happy 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 11:00 
引用自 Zero
引用自 Marma
I think Valve are just toying with cheaters/scripters.

Towards the end of the sale, they will release boss fights with massive XP rewards, allowing everyone to obtain the maximum level badge in under an hour of legitimate play.
That. would be beautiful. The best way to troll cheaters and make them feel like they wasted their time. I have not a single problem with people who cheat and want their badges through this mindless grind but such a thing happening would also be nice. Cheaters might complain but that's also their problem. At the end, everyone will get what they want anyway. If only, though. :P
Literally noone will give a ♥♥♥♥.
Im doing everything else i usually do while having a script play the game for me in the background, if at all, everyone who thinks this game was made for legit playing and actually plays it legit, wastes his time.
Insanity Claus 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 11:06 
引用自 ρyrefeather
引用自 Pay
We don't have higher chance to win games. But you're right for items that can be sold 0.01 cent.

Auto sending to a new planet immediately after one is beat. Time on planet = higher chance. Regular players aren't constantly checking when a planet is done. Ya, you totally don't have a higher chance. :claugh:
Except the script prioritizes hard and medium tiles. So, the script will send you off of a planet to go to another one to grind out the Hard and Medium tiles, meaning the person who stays on the planet will actually have a greater chance of winning than the person using the script that bounces around from planet to planet.
Seraphita 2018 年 6 月 25 日 上午 11:33 
Maybe the ONLY consequences I found people scripting is that they remove hard tiles fast but any early (or even mid-late) users will be fine. What scripters want is exp but there are so many tiles that everyone should have enough. As for winning the games, people can stick to 1 planet.
On Vacation 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 4:26 
引用自 Darth Schumy
引用自 On Vacation
People define cheating so very differently. However, I'm of the opinion that an advantage is not unfair if it's something that everyone can do within reason, carries no repercussions, and has no impact on another persons ability to play and experience the mechanics as intended.

Scripting in this event passes all three of those checks and as such I don't have an issue with it. Granted I'm not invested either way as I play 3 rounds a day for the cards and nothing else. It has always amused me though, how many threads I come across in various game discussions about "cheating" that have no real tangible impact on the person lodging the complaint.

Scripting is cheating and does affect all aspects you list:

1. It is a big advantage and it's unfair when others don't have it (this point alone makes it cheating)
2. Repercussions include people judging you.
3. It is not within easy reach for all; if I can download it, I might also get a virus.
4. It does have impact on another person's ability to play; seeing another player get Rank 6, can make a legit user not bother playing it, because they'll never reach the same heights and ask "what's the point"?

There are many instances in gaming where someone will have an advantage over you that would not be classified as cheating. Take time as an example, which some people have more than others and in online game's especially this can create a large gap between players. It's not the advantage that matters to determine whether something is cheating, but rather the established rules as well as equal opportunity. The reasons you've laid out why this isn't "equal opportunity" are one's based on a user's ignorance, which is not in and of itself inherently unfair. A mere few minutes investigating show quite a few options with no real potential of virus or malware infection. If someone is not knowledgeable enough to know this, then to be frank that's on them. The information is out there for anyone and everyone.

The other point, that of judgement is rather irrelevant unless you're a person who is overly concerned with what random people on a social platform think of you. People will judge you for numerous arbitrary and/or superficial reasons, but it's only a repercussion if it impacts your life. In this case it only does so if you care and I can't fathom why anyone would, in this specific instance. What comes of these random people's judgement and what bearing would it have on your life? Maybe a nasty comment on your profile. The irony being says quite a bit about the commentor themselves and not favorably. At the end of the day, it's an insignificant act, with arguably no actual consequences.

As far as point 4, when I said affects their ability to play I meant in a tangible, physical way within the game itself. Motivation is a subjective and rather flimsy thing and isn't something I was or would consider as meaningful criteria. I meant something more along the lines of wall hacks or an aim bot, which has an in game impact on you and your ability to use the mechanics of said game. I'm just not the type of person who is overly concerned with how x person chooses to play (or 'not' play in this case) a game, if it does not impact my experience within said game.
最后由 On Vacation 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 4:35
Sgt William DK 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:09 
So it is not illegal to use the script for Saliens Game?
Washell 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:13 
引用自 Sgt William DK
So it is not illegal to use the script for Saliens Game?
If it was, they'd have shut it down to fix it long before now.

Using a script for saliens is the same as using a high quality mouse and keyboard most people can't or won't buyin csgo. Perfectly fine.
最后由 Washell 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:14
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 Washell
引用自 Sgt William DK
So it is not illegal to use the script for Saliens Game?
If it was, they'd have shut it down to fix it long before now.
Just because they haven't shut it down to fix it doesn't mean that it's necessarily allowed or intended.

Consider how short the sales event is. Would you expect them to have time to shut it down to patch it only for the thousands of scripters out there just to find another exploit?

Rather, they're likely just turning a blind eye to it and rolling with the punches.
CreepyCreeper 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:18 
引用自 Washell
If it was, they'd have shut it down to fix it long before now.
Just because they haven't shut it down to fix it doesn't mean that it's necessarily allowed or intended.

Consider how short the sales event is. Would you expect them to have time to shut it down to patch it only for the thousands of scripters out there just to find another exploit?

Rather, they're likely just turning a blind eye to it and rolling with the punches.

It would be impossible to earn the full badge playing traditionally at this point unless they add some super xp planets before the end.
Potato Marshal 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:44 
I'm lvl 10 right now and it takes 2.4 million exp to level up and I only have a lvl 3 Saliens badge. Stop pretending like Valve intended people to sit here clicking the same 3 aliens 24/7 just because you can't figure out how to get the scripts to work yourself.
最后由 Potato Marshal 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:47
Ebyl 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:50 
引用自 Washell
If it was, they'd have shut it down to fix it long before now.
Just because they haven't shut it down to fix it doesn't mean that it's necessarily allowed or intended.

Consider how short the sales event is. Would you expect them to have time to shut it down to patch it only for the thousands of scripters out there just to find another exploit?

Rather, they're likely just turning a blind eye to it and rolling with the punches.

They were well aware that people would script - in fact they designed the badges to accomodate scripters. This is a continuation of the 2015 game where they actively added new content for the scripters once they realized what was going on.

So yeah, this isn't turning a blind eye or not having time. If you want to play normally, go for it, there are badges to get. If you want to script, they have accomodated you as well with higher level badges that are worth basically nothing (very small chunks of Steam exp).

But don't pretend they didn't know this was coming - they planned for it.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 8:02 
引用自 Ebyl
Just because they haven't shut it down to fix it doesn't mean that it's necessarily allowed or intended.

Consider how short the sales event is. Would you expect them to have time to shut it down to patch it only for the thousands of scripters out there just to find another exploit?

Rather, they're likely just turning a blind eye to it and rolling with the punches.

They were well aware that people would script - in fact they designed the badges to accomodate scripters. This is a continuation of the 2015 game where they actively added new content for the scripters once they realized what was going on.

So yeah, this isn't turning a blind eye or not having time. If you want to play normally, go for it, there are badges to get. If you want to script, they have accomodated you as well with higher level badges that are worth basically nothing (very small chunks of Steam exp).

But don't pretend they didn't know this was coming - they planned for it.
No one worth even half their salt in the software industry would think that people wouldn't throw scripts at this kind of stuff.

But just because they've accommodated people using scripts doesn't mean that they want people to use them in an ideal world. It could just mean that they know it's useless to try to shut out the scripters and so they're "rolling with the punches" and accommodating them rather than trying to fight them.
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