valve please stop the chase over visual novels and oriental games

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https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997258547397148675

why do not they do all this chase over games like gta V and the witcher III? just because they are western games and moreover AAA?

[ハデス]

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U think Steam care about such niche genre?

Steam might not care about a few niche titles, but the people who buys these titles also bought a lot of other games on the store. I have over a thousand titles in my library on Steam, and their decisions over this debacle will have an influence on whether I am going to spend much more on their store.

This is an opinion that has been expressed by a few other individuals in this thread too, so I guess I am not alone in this train of thought.

Of course ur not not. Im in that too.

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Ofc $ and sale matters. If somebody thinks that Steam gonna rise a hand at GTA or Witcher, ur simply delusional. VN dev/pub are to small group to defend themselves.

That is why the community has to defend them, because if we won't no one will

Agreed.

[MrNuts70]

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Ofc $ and sale matters. If somebody thinks that Steam gonna rise a hand at GTA or Witcher, ur simply delusional. VN dev/pub are to small group to defend themselves.

That is why the community has to defend them, because if we won't no one will

We are all doing that now. I mean a game on steam for 3 years. Now suddenly gets this kind of reaction? People need to stop being so sensitive.

[Astro-rjs]

Valve has become a company of negativity and drama

every time I see an article about Valve it's something negative going.

What went wrong with this company?

[jferrer1310]

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Steam might not care about a few niche titles, but the people who buys these titles also bought a lot of other games on the store. I have over a thousand titles in my library on Steam, and their decisions over this debacle will have an influence on whether I am going to spend much more on their store.

This is an opinion that has been expressed by a few other individuals in this thread too, so I guess I am not alone in this train of thought.

Of course ur not not. Im in that too.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jferrer1310:

That is why the community has to defend them, because if we won't no one will

Agreed.

Yeah I will say that even if we individually are only a drop in the issue, together we are a tide

[jferrer1310]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jferrer1310:

That is why the community has to defend them, because if we won't no one will

We are all doing that now. I mean a game on steam for 3 years. Now suddenly gets this kind of reaction? People need to stop being so sensitive.

Honestly it isn't about which game it is, it is about the issue of censorship.

[Walach]

It might be more about how good "negativity sells" than what, in this case, Valve does?
https://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2013/Trussler-Soroka.pdf

[MrNuts70]

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We are all doing that now. I mean a game on steam for 3 years. Now suddenly gets this kind of reaction? People need to stop being so sensitive.

Honestly it isn't about which game it is, it is about the issue of censorship.

I agree with you 100% I am also worried that this is a step in the WRONG direction. SJW and people that complain are getting way way too strong.

[jferrer1310]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jferrer1310:

Honestly it isn't about which game it is, it is about the issue of censorship.

I agree with you 100% I am also worried that this is a step in the WRONG direction. SJW and people that complain are getting way way too strong.

Yeah I personally don't want SJWs to be able to exert their influence here aswell, I mean they have already ruined so much things that people enjoyed, and this is the thing I am not gonna let them taint

[SteveHNo96]

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The problem it is not because they are underaged, it is because it is porn, Huniepop the main game we know of that has been attacked by Steam is not about underage women, it is about adult concenting women, yet it still was attacked because it is pornographic in nature, for no other reason, and this group will attack anyone who doesn't ban porn, because to them that is their number one enemy.

It is underage girls, they are clearly under age girls, the perverts try to use a farce to cover it up, but they damn well know those girls are reprenting underage girls.
And Steam has always had rules against porn. So Hunniepop gets hit 2x, for being porn and for having sexualized under age girls.

Another level 0 idiot creating a troll account to justify a bad decision. How surprising.

[Falsus Te Deum]

Hes a known troll.

[⎛⎝ Kupo ⎠⎞]

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Did you see the game '' Hatred '' that if I remember correctly Steam was first going to pull, but later let it be on Steam because people got outraged about it potentially being removed?
In one of the CoD's too there's a scene in the beginning where you massacre civilians at an air port. That game is also on Steam.
How are these games really any different than commiting a mass-shooting in a school?
In Hatred you're even literally playing as a mass-shooter.

Yes I saw those, I think the mission is "no russian"..... :rolleyes:

Comparing that kind of violence is no longer the point but you can surely establish an intersectional[en.wikipedia.org] line from less to more serious (how explicit, what level of detail, what meaning or context etc.) from Mario Bros stepping mushrooms to something like "rapelay extreme on VR!": https://k46.kn3.net/taringa/C/C/F/6/8/B/vagonettas/5B5.gif + http://i.imgur.com/IDp58HU.jpg


... and realize that at some point in that continuous chain of games we will begin to cross stripes that previously seemed acceptable to us and now not so much or that the moral is the same but the point in that chain of continuum is another extreme and that at the same time everything depends on the context. Etc etc. etc. blablabla more boring talk.

At this time, gender differences are an important issue that we are reviewing and we are not, and we will never be exempt, from falling into contradictions or points that are a dilemma. It is not so simple.

What I think is that some pseudo antifas online have risen worried about the "censorship" but because they care about a product/game and not the social problem that originates all this big problem. But now they are worried about "censorship".

I am confused by your post.
I do question your view on this being about sexism/ inequality tho in this context.
If we were talking about something like ''Rapelay '' for example then yes I'd agree that there is sexist context and content in that game, but most definetly NOT in a game like Huniepop.
If we're talking about a game with consensual sex like Huniepop or lets say a game with skimpy outfits then the sexist value is something that you yourself are applying and need to justify somehow.
In my view it's more your own projection of your own negative and sexist views than the game itself.
Because I know for a fact that I don't hold the same views nor like lets say skimpy outfits for the reasons that I am being told that I do, nor do I know anyone else who does either for that matter ( including women too ).
But the people who claim that I do sure do seem to have extremely negative and judgemenetal attitudes and views themselves and use a lot of degrading language which is quite telling.

There are cases tho where I would say that there is sexist content in games likes these on Steam where there is sexual violence and such going on.
But honestly, a game like GTA or even The Witcher series has by far more sexist content in them than Huniepop.
The fact that Triss is continously slut-shamed whilst Geralt isn't for example is a good example of genuinly sexist content. And even tho it could be argued that it makes sense from a medieval pov, it's still a very common idea to this very day ( not to mention that it doesn't, men having casual sex wasn't okay either in most societies back then ).
That women need to remain '' pure '' until they're owned by a man and then she solely belongs to that man.
Which honestly is what I think that a lot of these negative attitudes towards women being portrayed in a sexual way in fiction often boils down to.
That they're not '' pure '' enough and need to be '' put into place '' for their own good no matter what they might want.

I am not 110% sure what you're even saying tbh.
But the way that I interpreted you from before is that you're asserting that there is sexist/ inequal content and contexts in these games that we're discussing here such as Huniepop.
And I completely 110% disagree with you and question that assertion.
Altho that doesn't mean that I'd disagree with you in every single case ever.
I know that there is a game called '' Mirror '' for example that does contain sexual violence and some genuinly sexually degrading content.
And I'd agree in that case for example.
Is Ivy Valentines costume in Soul Calibur sexist tho for example?
I'd argue that you're the one who would have to apply that context to it, and that you would be the one perceiving it in a sexist way because of your projection of your own sexist views.
( I could have a long ass discussion about her costume and what it actually means in the context of the game, her design is not random at all and actually makes a great deal of sense in the context of the visual narrative and her story and role in the lore/ big story. But the point still remains regardless ).

Btw, I didn't know what the '' No-Russian style '' thing was referring to.
Sorry about that.
I don't mean to '' argue '' with you or anything. I just feel as if it's important to question you and express another side too. Because I really think that there's a danger in a lot of the assumptions made here against content such as this.
Especially since I believe that it perpetuates the idea of womens value being directly connected to their '' purity '' so to speak.

[jferrer1310]

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Hes a known troll.

Don't really care about trolls, I merely care about correcting his misinformation

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Unpageable:

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U think Steam care about such niche genre?

Steam might not care about a few niche titles, but the people who buys these titles also bought a lot of other games on the store. I have over a thousand titles in my library on Steam, and their decisions over this debacle will have an influence on whether I am going to spend much more on their store.

This is an opinion that has been expressed by a few other individuals in this thread too, so I guess I am not alone in this train of thought.

I feel the same way.
These issues are incredibly important to me. And I do believe that I will take my business elsewhere depending on their decision here.

[SteveHNo96]

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It is underage girls, they are clearly under age girls, the perverts try to use a farce to cover it up, but they damn well know those girls are reprenting underage girls.
And Steam has always had rules against porn. So Hunniepop gets hit 2x, for being porn and for having sexualized under age girls.

So let me know which of these girls is underaged ok?
So we have Aiko the Teacher who is a 28 Year Old College Proffesor
Tiffany the classic Girl Next Door type who is a 20 year old College Student
Nikki the Gamer Girl an 18 year old Barista.
Jessie the 36 year old MILF porn actress who is also a single mother (GOD FORBID!).
Audrey the 21 year old spoiled kid which does sex and drugs on the regular and by far my least favourite.
Kyanna the 21 year old Single Mother who works as a Hair Stylist.
Beli the 23 year old Yoga Instructor of the local Gym, a spittual and religious girl.

Lillian the 18 year old mall goth with daddy issues
Zoey the 19 year old cybergoth crystal queen
Abia the 25 year old repressed Muslim working at airport security
Nora the 29 year old cholo hotel maid
Sarah the 20 year old Ganguro girl who works as a Boba girl
Candace, the 25 year old stripper and coke addict

There seems to be no underage people at all. This guy is a level 0 troll who created a "private" account just to bash a game he doesn't like.

[⎛⎝ Kupo ⎠⎞]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jferrer1310:

So let me know which of these girls is underaged ok?
So we have Aiko the Teacher who is a 28 Year Old College Proffesor
Tiffany the classic Girl Next Door type who is a 20 year old College Student
Nikki the Gamer Girl an 18 year old Barista.
Jessie the 36 year old MILF porn actress who is also a single mother (GOD FORBID!).
Audrey the 21 year old spoiled kid which does sex and drugs on the regular and by far my least favourite.
Kyanna the 21 year old Single Mother who works as a Hair Stylist.
Beli the 23 year old Yoga Instructor of the local Gym, a spittual and religious girl.

Lillian the 18 year old mall goth with daddy issues
Zoey the 19 year old cybergoth crystal queen
Abia the 25 year old repressed Muslim working at airport security
Nora the 29 year old cholo
Sarah the 20 year old Ganguro girl who works as a Boba girl
Candace, the 25 year old stripper and coke addict

There seems to be no underage people at all. This guy is a level 0 troll who created a "private" account just to bash a game he doesn't like.

To be fair, I think that what he is talking about is the artstyle.
Which is why he refers to a '' farce '' ( the stated ages ).
He probably believes that they look underage due to how they're being drawn.
They don't look underage to me at all still tho.
I still buy that they're at the very least 18+.
It's really hard tho in a lot of artstyles to make characters look a specific age.
Look at a lot of the characters in the animated Batman series for example. They all kinda look either the same young:ish age or like an old man/woman.

Edit: And btw, I am 25 myself. And I don't really find it all that hard to believe that the ones in the same age-range as me are their stated ages.
Perhaps if you're new to Anime artstyles it might not look that way, but it's really just a thing with artstyles that have to be consistent to be drawn quickly like Anime art.
They all kinda end up looking the same:ish age tbh. There's these big leaps from child->young adult->old grey haired man/woman and very little inbetween.