valve please stop the chase over visual novels and oriental games

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https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997258547397148675

why do not they do all this chase over games like gta V and the witcher III? just because they are western games and moreover AAA?

[『YukitoOnline』]

引用自 Zero：

引用自 Musashibō Benkei：

In the end there's no correlation of any of their so called point being true.
Look at Japan, all of these stuff made by them and you see almost no crime at all..
Most of their crime came from people who are already sick of life (which is a rare case) and from the local Yakuza (which is a common case)..

This. So much this. Heck, the most "sick" fetishes come straight from Japan and yet, at most, you'll have a few perverts who look at schoolgirls and be arrested straight on the spot. At the same time, lot of people over there and everywhere like EXTREMLY sick fetishes are still look pretty much normal in real life. In fact, we're all on the intenet. It's not hard to find the tags. lol.

The point is about those who "DRAW" the line between Fiction and Reality..

My College buddies are into SCAT, Guro, Traps and whatever fetishes that shows up in the fictional realm. In the end they know how to draw the line between fiction and reality and are living normally in society, working on Phone Tech Supports, IT Personel, Tuna Fisher and Online English Teacher.

I got a Monster Girl fetish. Those people protesting against these stuff thinks Monster Girls or whatever fictional characters are real and wants them to have human rights..lol

[Seraphita]

Well, this is certainly much creepier than what I like. (2nd paragraph) but then again, if I wouldn't notice it in real life if I met him then I don't see the problem. Drawing the line between fiction and reality is an important part of "being human and respecting the life of others". Very important...

[『YukitoOnline』]

引用自 Zero：

Well, this is certainly much creepier than what I like. (2nd paragraph) but then again, if I wouldn't notice it in real life if I met him then I don't see the problem. Drawing the line between fiction and reality is an important part of "being human and respecting the life of others". Very important...

Everyone has their own fetishes and kinks..
It's about how and where everyone will draw the line between fiction and reality..

[Hazuki-chan]

引用自 Zero：

Well, this is certainly much creepier than what I like. (2nd paragraph) but then again, if I wouldn't notice it in real life if I met him then I don't see the problem. Drawing the line between fiction and reality is an important part of "being human and respecting the life of others". Very important...

Yeah, and a lot of the time, the people saying "We must ban this filth" about harmless romantic ecchi VNs and the like... tend to have far more creepy and bizarre fetishes going on behind the scenes. Ugh, these demagogues and their projecting...

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引用自 Spawk：

Could you link to a few unbiased studies about this then?

There was a correlation found in studies of people with sexual attack convictions and access to porn. Basically easier access to wanking material was lowering potential of re-offense at a statistically significant level.

I'll see if I can dig it out somehow.

Well, found something different along the way, but even more applicable:

Most significantly, they found that the number of reported cases of child sex abuse dropped markedly immediately after the ban on sexually explicit materials was lifted in 1989.[www.sciencedaily.com]

Can't speak for veracity of the study, though, haven't actually heard about that one until now.

Another quotation about the same study (so I assume somebody did bother doing a peer-review, and found not glaring issues iwth it):

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. Their findings are published online today in Springer’s journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.[www.springer.com]

Here's the mentioned Danish study's summary:

The Danish liberalization of legal prosecution and of laws concerning pornography and the ensuing high availability of such materials present a unique opportunity of testing hypotheses concerning the relationship between pornography and sex offenses. It is shown that concurrently with the increasing availability of pornography there was a significant decrease in the number of sex offenses registered by the police in Copenhagen. On the basis of various investigations, including a survey of public attitudes and studies of the police, it was established that at least in one type of offense (child molestation) the decrease represents a real reduction in the number of offenses committed. Various factors suggest that the availability of pornography was the direct cause of this decrease.[spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

[Seraphita]

引用自 Hazukichan：

Yeah, and a lot of the time, the people saying "We must ban this filth" about harmless romantic ecchi VNs and the like... tend to have far more creepy and bizarre fetishes going on behind the scenes. Ugh, these demagogues and their projecting...

Yeeeeah... Everyone has their fetishes, whatever it is. I personally find the yuri VNs to be pretty innoffensive compared to lot of things out there and yet people complain as if it was corruption.

People are more insane than they themselves realize. This world is crazy in its "normalness"...

[『YukitoOnline』]

引用自 Sheepify：

引用自 Spawk：

Could you link to a few unbiased studies about this then?

There was a correlation found in studies of people with sexual attack convictions and access to porn. Basically easier access to wanking material was lowering potential of re-offense at a statistically significant level.

I'll see if I can dig it out somehow.

Hence Japan has almost no sex crimes (majority of it are usually the guy being wrongfully framed)..

[☦₪TBC₪☦フェルニー]

引用自 Sheepify：

Gaiman said something along the lines that the ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy is the cornerstone of sanity.

Then there's this thing called delusional disorder. I am begining to suspect a lot of pro-censorship people might suffer from it to some degree.

(And the ones doing it on "religious" grounds are rather certain to, because your imaginary friend telling you something through a book of questionable origin is not a sane thing)

Could it be this?:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

[GrimAtrament]

You doing the post link without researching into the games spawk if you did you would realize there's a lot less then 27 that "focus on sexual stuff."

Also having big boobs=/= sexualization.

unless your going to go around acussing every girl with big boobs of sexualizing themselves for somthing they are born with.

[Pan Paka Pan]

引用自 Sheepify：

引用自 Spawk：

Could you link to a few unbiased studies about this then?

There was a correlation found in studies of people with sexual attack convictions and access to porn. Basically easier access to wanking material was lowering potential of re-offense at a statistically significant level.

I'll see if I can dig it out somehow.

I’m sure the young shooters from U.S. at some point in their life played a FPS game. Hmm... there must be a correlation... 🤔

/sarcasm

[『YukitoOnline』]

引用自 Spawk：

引用自 Musashibō Benkei：

Hence Japan has almost no sex crimes (majority of it are usually the guy being wrongfully framed)..

On the other hand, it's easy to not be a criminal in japan if they turn a blind eye to certain activities.

Ah, the MSM frame of Japan.. So great right? when sensational stories like that gets passed through social media through your friend's friend's friend..

Edit:
Usually coming from the MOST TRUST WORTHY UNBIASED NEWS SOURCE.
Like VICE, CNN, BBC, TYT, BuzzFeed, Vox and etc

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引用自 †₪TBC₪† Don Ferny：

Could it be this?:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

No, can't find the exact line there, but I read it yesterday of two days ago in looking for something else.

引用自 Old Tiger 🐯：

I’m sure the young shooters from U.S. at some point in their life played a FPS game. Hmm... there must be a correlation... 🤔

At least one of them also listened to Rammstein!

RAMMSTEIN!

A German music group. A homosexual German music group! Basically, a gay Nazi!

(It's like "offensive-bingo" for right-wingers while they were still against Nazism...)

[GrimAtrament]

引用自 Spawk：

引用自 Musashibō Benkei：

Hence Japan has almost no sex crimes (majority of it are usually the guy being wrongfully framed)..

On the other hand, it's easy to not be a criminal in japan if they turn a blind eye to certain activities.

引用自 Hazarddex：

You doing the post link without researching into the games spawk if you did you would realize there's a lot less then 27 that "focus on sexual stuff."

Also having big boobs=/= sexualization.

unless your going to go around acussing every girl with big boobs of sexualizing themselves for somthing they are born with.

Blatantly untrue.

Prove it read the summary of every single VN on steam. As that will tell you if its story oriented or not.

Mr. Fruad your basically trying to argue about a genre you know nothing about. Where I actually know what I am talking about. A larger prectage of the VN on the new release page focus on story.

all your doing is "B-But the screenshot." Which are taken form the absolute minimum of the game to avoid spoilers and dont accurately represent what the game is about a majority of the time. the main point of VN is whats wirten and the multiple choices that effect the outcome of the story.

Not only that you are seeing sexualization where there isn't any. As I proved with the visual novel higurashi and steins gate not to long ago.

Also no commiting a crime in Japan is not easy as they are generally a thightly packed community and rumors spread like wildfire.

[『YukitoOnline』]

引用自 Sheepify：

引用自 †₪TBC₪† Don Ferny：

Could it be this?:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

No, can't find the exact line there, but I read it yesterday of two days ago in looking for something else.

引用自 Old Tiger 🐯：

I’m sure the young shooters from U.S. at some point in their life played a FPS game. Hmm... there must be a correlation... 🤔

At least one of them also listened to Rammstein!

RAMMSTEIN!

A German music group. A homosexual German music group! Basically, a gay Nazi!

(It's like "offensive-bingo" for right-wingers while they were still against Nazism...)

You usually hear the part where they got Bullied before the crime and the MSM usually doesn't mention that part of the story..

[GrimAtrament]

引用自 Spawk：

引用自 Hazarddex：

Prove it read the summary of every single VN on steam. As that will tell you if its story oriented or not.

Then look at the artwork and trailers.

I already pointed out the flaw in that. Howabout your actually read for once? also I did look at the trailers(for those that actually have them.) and again a majority are story oriented

VN will only show artwork in both trailer and screenshot that only show the minimum of whats in the game.

After all Whats the point of selling a VN if they give away spoiler artwork right at the start.

So please you'll have to do better then your weak argument based on screenshots that only show non spoiler content and have no context to the story.