valve please stop the chase over visual novels and oriental games

[76561198305693217]

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

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why do not they do all this chase over games like gta V and the witcher III? just because they are western games and moreover AAA?

[kaibarnard]

...Ok if that arouses you, stay away from swimming pools, theres no context so if you're sexulising that, maybe you have an issue.

Otherwise EVERY single time a bikini or swimsuit appears you get to shout pedo filth - how do we know the main isn't baby sitting his little sisters, and this is a slice of family life, or its only the one of the right that has any 'romance options'

2nd one - art sytle and not a huge amount ot go on,

[Hazuki-chan]

Автор сообщения: ドラザラー

Автор сообщения: Bunnyz

The simple truth is that there is no easy way to have age verification on a system like steam that spans across so many contries all having different id systems - and also credit cards and steam cards can simply be used by minors anyway. The age gating that steam provides is adequate as well as they also have family settings.

It is up to parental control if young "Jimmy" is falsely clicking I am over 18, and instead of parents/adults getting upset about it and blamming steam, maybe they should be getting upset at young "Jimmy" for falsely stating a false age instead.

The issue about this topic is going of track as people are making excuses as to how people access "adult" games ect instead of the real issue which was that steam only targeted select titles from amoungst 100s if not 1000s of titles with simular content.
If steam had of from day 1 stated that ALL mature games with sexual themes/pornography aspects in them to be revised/reviewed there would not be the same outcry as there has been due to equal treatment across the board for all games not just smaller developers.

Imo the real issue is less about having an age gate, then the inequality and mistreatment of only a selected group of developers, specificaly that no major developers/studios were hit with the same notice of removal.

First of all Steam isn't a babysitter for little Jimmy. Secondly, it is against the rules for little Jimmy make a purchse of anything on Steam without a parent or legal guardian being present. To turn little Jimmy loose onto Steam with their credit card (or with any means to give payment) is very irresponsible and is not the responsibility for Steam to keep tabs on what little Jimmy does here.

I'd say you both make good points. Parents need to take responsibility, Valve or their representatives need to stop applying different standards to smaller, more vulnerable games and studios, PayPal need to stop taking hearsay as fact (are there even chargebacks on Steam? I hear chargeback fraud's all they care about in not wanting to deal with some porn sites), and of course Morality in Media need to ♥♥♥♥ off and disband their little hate group so that nobody looking to combat actual sexual exploitation or assault inadvertently ends up supporting their moronic anti-porn crusade.

Автор сообщения: T.TV/802Trip

Автор сообщения: carloszaga

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997258547397148675

why do not they do all this chase over games like gta V and the witcher III? just because they are western games and moreover AAA?

they arent actual games. "visual novels" are not games and dont belong on steam. They are just a waste of market space and if anything just making steam look bad.

Actually, a Valve employee has spoken out on this exact topic and said, essentially, "We don't feel it's our place to tell customers what is and isn't a game. For example, we had no idea visual novels were so popular." Can't find the article at the moment, as the current topic has... kind of clogged the internet in terms of what pops up when you try googling "Valve visual novel" or similar... but it was definitely someone at Valve making an official statement.

So basically, Valve agree that your personal opinion shouldn't invalidate ours (and vice versa).

Автор сообщения: Spawk

To be fair, visual novels are barely even games, and most of them are just absolute trash churned out by some Asian sweatshop or socially awkward teenager in the hopes of making a quick buck because of anime boobs.

To be fair, that sounds like the sort of thing someone who never actually played one would say. Or at least someone who's never played any of the good ones. Which would you say is more embarrassing... judging the whole genre based on a few lesser examples, or based on no data beyond equally uninformed rumors? Anyway, if you don't want to see visual novels, just add the tag "Visual Novel" to the exclusion tags in your preferences, found under your little gray user name in the top right of the main Steam window.

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

Автор сообщения: T.TV/802Trip

not a piece of sh+t weeb game.

You lack any argumentation or debating skills. Let your responses be evidence to anyone else that you are 1) pro censorship and 2) can't stand up or support what you believe in.

+1

[The nameless Gamer]

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Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

Is the sex scene in GTA V pornography? What about picking up hookers?

no because normal people dont j**k off to GTA scenes. all you weebs sit and Jerk it to these "novels"

And that's where your misconception lies. I hate repeating myself, but just for you: Visual novels are not pornography. The sex scenes are merely the peak of two characters building a relationship. There is a journey to them, and not always an easy one. "Kindred Spirits on the roof", "Starlight Vega" and "Blackberry Honey" are definitely not chock-full of random intimate scenes, they have a story (it's not Shakespeare-level writing, but that doesn't make it BAD) that leads to them. As I said, people who put an equasion mark between visual novels and pornography are ignorant and delusional.

[MADanger]

There are two types of individuals sharing ideas on this thread. One one hand, there are those that argue that freedom of expression should be encouraged in all its forms, and that censorship should never be tolerated. On the other, some are arguing for authoriatative censorship and the modern day equivalent of book burnings by censoring games deemed to be trash.

[The nameless Gamer]

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

There are two types of individuals sharing ideas on this thread. One one hand, there are those that argue that freedom of expression should be encouraged in all its forms, and that censorship should never be tolerated. On the other, some are arguing for more authoritarian modern day book burnings.

With the addition that those advocating modern day book burnings have double standards. Lovely, isn't it?

[MADanger]

Yup.

I don't care if a game is a porno game or not. ALL GAMES should be ready for purchase in the free market devoid of all censorship. I am okay with putting some meaningful restrictions for age (you know, like the adult paid sites do).

Valve needs to get with the program: Most gamers are now in their 30s. We want more mature and adult content. Some of us want porno games, some of us don't. All games should be available for people to choose what they want.

[marijn211]

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

There are two types of individuals sharing ideas on this thread. One one hand, there are those that argue that freedom of expression should be encouraged in all its forms, and that censorship should never be tolerated. On the other, some are arguing for authoriatative censorship and the modern day equivalent of book burnings by censoring games deemed to be trash.

Then I am the third

[Pan Paka Pan]

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

There are two types of individuals sharing ideas on this thread. One one hand, there are those that argue that freedom of expression should be encouraged in all its forms, and that censorship should never be tolerated. On the other, some are arguing for authoriatative censorship and the modern day equivalent of book burnings by censoring games deemed to be trash.

Imho censorship is something that shouldn’t exist. It just serves the purpose of alienating people and feeding discrimination.
I don’t care if Valve remove all novels, as i never had interest to reading them (I’m not a book person), but then again, I don’t think it’s right to use double standards and alienate people into western games vs anime games.

Most of these visual novels are about 99% slice of life + relationship building and just 1% about actual nudity or sex. People saying we can’t compare GTA or Witcher, well we actually can cuz the percentage or duration of adultness is the same. VNs here on Steam are not hentai with sex from start to end.

Is the entire goal and theme of these games to depict sexually suggestive or even explicit content meant to elicit sexual arousal, and do they contain underage looking characters in sexually explicit situations, as is the case in many adult visual novels?

You are using one example. Anyone can point out dozens others novels that doesn’t have any pornography yet got threatened by removal. Obviously it’s double standards against anime art.

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On topic:
Valve saying to disregard then re-reviewing is just marketing speech. They got pressured in saying that cuz of all the media/press buzz against Valve. Now they are wondering if they will indeed remove everything or accept everything. I’m sure they are thinking if they should add a 18+ section with proof confirmation or just forget and censor everything. It’s a tricky situation for a store that got globally famous and attracted moralists (MiM) attention.

[MADanger]

We don't want or need the moralists. We need a venture capitalist to put funding into a market that competes against Valve: WHERE ALL GAMES are allowed.

[Grima The Fell Dragon]

Oh boy, after wading through the sea of comments I think I can see the problem. There are people who very misinformed about vns and/or hate anime styled games. Look if someone wants boobs or toned abs along side character development and story good on ya.

Look I hate 99% of shooter games (minus bullet hell games and Overwatch), but I wouldn't want them removed from the store for people who like them. Steam just needs a filter that doesn't just tone down the frequency that a genre appears but outright prevents it from appearing. That way everyone's happy.

[MADanger]

Автор сообщения: Grima The Fell Dragon

Oh boy, after wading through the sea of comments I think I can see the problem. There are people who very misinformed about vns and/or hate anime styled games. Look if someone wants boobs or toned abs along side character development and story good on ya.

Look I hate 99% of shooter games (minus bullet hell games and Overwatch), but I wouldn't want them removed from the store for people who like them. Steam just needs a filter that doesn't just tone down the frequency that a genre appears but outright prevents it from appearing. That way everyone's happy.

Thank you! I agree 100%. I don't own or play a single anime/hentai/visual novel game. No real interest in them at this point in time; however, I support 100% the existence and sale of these games on Steam.

All games should be allowed. Censorship is disgusting and reeks of authortarianism. Time to open the marketplace to the demands of the people.

[GrimAtrament]

Автор сообщения: T.TV/802Trip

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

Is the sex scene in GTA V pornography? What about picking up hookers?

no because normal people dont j**k off to GTA scenes. all you weebs sit and Jerk it to these "novels"

sorry but people jerk off to GTA people also jerk off to skyrim guess we better remove both games.

also

a large chunk of Visual novels don't have sex and don't revolve around it.

maybe you should atchally reaserch what you debating against before trying to dismiss it. in the end you only make yourself look the part of the fool.

[Seraphita]

Trash games should be left to trash. (I am not pointing at anime games as I love them. I mean real trash quality games). Hating on anime games is like if I decided to hate on all platformers and complained that they should all be banned. Censors also ruin good games and it sucks...

[Crimson Hog]

Автор сообщения: Mad Ass Danger

Define a "real game".

Real game is a wildfowl, which is hunting for food or fun.

[GrimAtrament]

Автор сообщения: Spawk

Автор сообщения: kaibarnard

...Ok if that arouses you, stay away from swimming pools, theres no context so if you're sexulising that, maybe you have an issue.

Otherwise EVERY single time a bikini or swimsuit appears you get to shout pedo filth - how do we know the main isn't baby sitting his little sisters, and this is a slice of fmaily life, or its only the one of the right that has any 'romance options'

No, clearly they threw in little girls in swimsuits in a risque game for the story, making sure to zoom in on their butts and sticking phallic objects between their legs for no reason. Here, enjoy your trailer:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/758090/_Monobeno/

Stop feigning ignorance, dude.

if anyones feigning ignorance its you just thought i would point that out.

so does 1 VN speak for 100% of all visual novels then? does one human speak for all of humanity? does one fps speak for all fps?

also do you know the story for that game? I don't, but nor am i jumping to any conclusions. because it would be IGNORANT to jump to coclusions without actually knowing anything ;)