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blackie 2019 年 11 月 20 日 上午 9:12
Steam refuse to release Liberate Hong Kong
最后由 blackie 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 20 日 上午 9:20
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just.nuke.em 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 8:37 
引用自 Zombie Reagan
valve did say publicly they would allow pretty much anything on Steam
Assuming, theoretically, this was a legally binding statement, it is wide enough to drive an oil tanker through.

Since it it not a legally binding statement, it means literally nothing. It is a PR statement, which hold no obligation to to reader or sayer of the statement.

All companies say one thing, and typically do another, because they don't want to show their hand. In this case, the user who said something about the fact that China is potentially a huge market for them and they don't want to make bad with the Chinese gov't, is most likely the most correct view of why Valve did what it did. This makes sense from a business standpoint (until it doesn't and they about-face).
Necrius 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:54 
Because they're not stupid.
DocShady 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:55 
引用自 Zombie Reagan
引用自 MonkehMaster
not even sure why that would be a game.... seems just some nonsense to spread politics and cause issues.

glad steam is blocking that nonsense, if they did allow nonsense like that then they would have more complaints then they did with the horrible library UI.

in general, politics dont belong in games, we dont want to see it or play it.
Every piece of media is political. Every book you read, game you play, and video you watch, but that's besides the point.

Why exactly would something being political make it unacceptable? If this game isn't allowed on Steam, then why is Hatred or Spec Ops: The Line? Why is Bioshock allowed to condemn Libertarianism?

I have over 500 games on Steam, and I can guarantee you that at least one of them has an agenda or controversial opinion.

Depends on the content it presents. Is this game about student protesters and their struggle against a corrupt and tyrannical government? If so, its purpose is not to entertain, but to push a political charged message. It has no place on steam. If I was gabe, I wouldn't want my platform being used to push this message cause its gonna hurt the bottom line in the long run.

引用自 Necrius
Because they're not stupid.

Also this.
最后由 DocShady 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:56
Fumo Bnnuy n Frends 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:35 
引用自 DocShady
引用自 Zombie Reagan
Every piece of media is political. Every book you read, game you play, and video you watch, but that's besides the point.

Why exactly would something being political make it unacceptable? If this game isn't allowed on Steam, then why is Hatred or Spec Ops: The Line? Why is Bioshock allowed to condemn Libertarianism?

I have over 500 games on Steam, and I can guarantee you that at least one of them has an agenda or controversial opinion.

Depends on the content it presents. Is this game about student protesters and their struggle against a corrupt and tyrannical government? If so, its purpose is not to entertain, but to push a political charged message. It has no place on steam. If I was gabe, I wouldn't want my platform being used to push this message cause its gonna hurt the bottom line in the long run.

引用自 Necrius
Because they're not stupid.

Also this.
ITT don't release a political game unless you make an effort


tbh the game looks pretty meh at best. Like those dime a dozen other free games you can find on flash sites
Satsujinki 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:36 
It's properly because Valve wanted to avoid some controversy. Just like the one they did approved an appropriate game (Not relate with politic. Just a taboo one) before the community starts uproar and demanding to remove it before Valve slowly to realize it and removed it immediately.
Zalfir 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:45 
引用自 Sammy
It goes further than just not offending the Chinese govt. "Liberate Hong Kong" is basically a code word used by HK activists for "Trump please invade China for us".

Untrue, and it's disingenuous to try to discredit the people of Hong Kong by associating them with difficulties in American politics. I don't know how you came to that wildly speculative and inflammatory conclusion.

Not only that, but this isn't even a political forum, post or thread. This is about allowing *a game,* or not allowing *a game.*
Sammy 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:50 
引用自 Zalfir
引用自 Sammy
It goes further than just not offending the Chinese govt. "Liberate Hong Kong" is basically a code word used by HK activists for "Trump please invade China for us".

Untrue, and it's disingenuous to try to discredit the people of Hong Kong by associating them with difficulties in American politics. I don't know how you came to that wildly speculative and inflammatory conclusion.

Not only that, but this isn't even a political forum, post or thread. This is about allowing *a game,* or not allowing *a game.*
Dude, HK activists are literally marching with US flags and calling for Trump to "liberate Hong Kong", what do you think they mean? They have no chance of victory against the might of China, so they want the US to invade.
最后由 Sammy 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:51
Zalfir 2019 年 11 月 20 日 下午 11:57 
引用自 Sammy
引用自 Zalfir

Untrue, and it's disingenuous to try to discredit the people of Hong Kong by associating them with difficulties in American politics. I don't know how you came to that wildly speculative and inflammatory conclusion.

Not only that, but this isn't even a political forum, post or thread. This is about allowing *a game,* or not allowing *a game.*
Dude, HK activists are literally marching with US flags and calling for Trump to "liberate Hong Kong", what do you think they mean? They have no chance of victory against the might of China, so they want the US to invade.

Hong Kongers just want Hong Kong to be free, how to achieve that while being oppressed by China's military in police uniform is kind of up to them, since they see very few options ahead of them.
"Free Hong Kong" is only code for "Free Hong Kong."
KillahInstinct 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 12:43 
If so, I think this is a clever way to generate hype for your game/cause.
Satsujinki 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 12:52 
引用自 Throttle Kitty
So the right to freedom of speech, and right to express one's political opinion doesn't matter here at all. On Steam, you are a subject of the Chinese government, as if you were a citizen of China itself.
Pretty sure what I remember Blizzard managed to killed freedom of speech and caused the intense backlash which they never change their mind. Not to mention the congress wrote their letter to Blizzard. And their outcome is becoming somewhat uncertain.



引用自 Throttle Kitty
This is equally true with any company that bends to the excessive censoring demands of the Chinese government. They are effectively agents and funding parties of the Chinese communist party.
What about universities? I read the news somewhere else before. They start to meddle universities before Australia starts to notice something odd and starts to investigate whether or not.
MonkehMaster 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 1:52 
引用自 Zalfir
引用自 Sammy
It goes further than just not offending the Chinese govt. "Liberate Hong Kong" is basically a code word used by HK activists for "Trump please invade China for us".

Untrue, and it's disingenuous to try to discredit the people of Hong Kong by associating them with difficulties in American politics. I don't know how you came to that wildly speculative and inflammatory conclusion.

Not only that, but this isn't even a political forum, post or thread. This is about allowing *a game,* or not allowing *a game.*

fact is, its not a game at all.... most "games" that come to steam like that are mostly trolls and are made to cause issues and push political agendas, i wouldnt take any dev seriously who makes "games" like that and would most likely block their "name" so i dont see their crappy "games".

nonsense like that doesnt belong in our games, we dont want to see or play that bs.

引用自 Throttle Kitty
Censoring a game for its politics (if that is what happened) is unacceptable, and unamerican! It's not hate speech, it's not copyright infringement. There's nothing "wrong" with someone stating a political opinion. No one has any right to tell these developers not to make a game based on their political opinion.

"unamerican" :steamfacepalm:

"china invading america" :steamfacepalm:

we as americans or any other nationality dont want to see politics or any other nonsense in our games, most play games to escape that bs, we play them to have fun or be competitive.

we arent here to be brainwashed with our or other countries political nonsense, media or any other forms of bs pushing something, we are here to play games.
最后由 MonkehMaster 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 2:02
tomk1 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 2:09 
引用自 Sammy
引用自 Zalfir

Hong Kongers just want Hong Kong to be free, how to achieve that while being oppressed by China's military in police uniform is kind of up to them, since they see very few options ahead of them.
"Free Hong Kong" is only code for "Free Hong Kong."
Hong Kong is a legal territory of the PRC, and that ain't gonna change. Since they have no chance of "freeing" HK themselves, they want to try and get the US to do it, ie to cause a war.

"Free" is just a Western propaganda term to mean neo-liberal republic.

Honestly, China should just roll the tanks in and crush these wanna-be Americans, it's their sovereign territory and they have every right to enforce control and order over it.
Rather than invade with an army, turn the citizans into the army and direct them with use of social media and operatives in funded grassroots groups, after the revolution give aid and assistance and direction. (Eqypt Libya Ukraine and now HongKong)
There's an old game not on Steam Republic: The Revolution -Square Enix Europe
WIKI It is a depiction of grassroots political action, where one attempts to put their preferred government in power Its a fun game problem was it didn't save progress so had to leave running or restart.
A game called "Liberate Hong Kong" does seem to have a ongoing political agenda calling to arms.
KongKong a Pawn, How about a nice game of chess?
VB Driver 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 2:33 
Steam released a bunch of pro/anti Trump games in 2016 and that was home elections, not some China.
Zalfir 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 3:15 
引用自 MonkehMaster
引用自 Zalfir

Untrue, and it's disingenuous to try to discredit the people of Hong Kong by associating them with difficulties in American politics. I don't know how you came to that wildly speculative and inflammatory conclusion.

Not only that, but this isn't even a political forum, post or thread. This is about allowing *a game,* or not allowing *a game.*

fact is, its not a game at all.... most "games" that come to steam like that are mostly trolls and are made to cause issues and push political agendas, i wouldnt take any dev seriously who makes "games" like that and would most likely block their "name" so i dont see their crappy "games".

nonsense like that doesnt belong in our games, we dont want to see or play that bs.

It's true that most players don't want their games _censored_ by politics (btw, your facetious use of quotes is weird, you should pay more attention to detail). In the respect of protecting *our* games from political persuasion (like adding an excessive number of women in a war game that is supposed to be historical and not fantastic) or censorship (like removing a series of missions because it depicts a particular people negatively) then I'm completely with you there. 100% we're on the same page in that regard.

However, if political content was removed from games entirely, we wouldn't have Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings, any Total War game, "Papers, Please", various election games, city managers with political components, UFO/Xcom series (it has geopolitics interfered with by a third party) or even games with a fleeting political component to their story, like Call of Duty, Just Cause or Farcry.

If we're going down this route you may as well try to get rid of games that even just touch on modern political content that some cultures may not agree with (ie. Gone Home, Tacoma); I'd love to see how well that goes for you.
Crazy Tiger 2019 年 11 月 21 日 上午 4:24 
Me thinks the dev is lying about the reason and in that is generating more exposure than he would have gotten if the game was quietly released.
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