What actions have you taken due to the Library UI change?

[FluffyPinkDecoyBunny]

I've read a lot of angry posts on the subject of this change and lots of folks demanding things to be changed back. I'd personally like it changed back or at the very minimum, get the new UI to work without running like crap. Right now the new Library UI runs slow, doesn't load most of the time, causes Steam to crash and eats up to 4x or more RAM than it used to, even if you have Steam minimized.


So, I'm just curious: What have you done in regards to the Library UI change?

* I've reverted back to an older version - things run smooth again. No crashes and nothing from Steam hogging resources.
* I've cleared out my nearly 70 game wishlist.
* I won't stop using Steam due to the fact I have a good amount of games on it, but I won't support them anymore by spending money with them. I found a good chunk of the games on my wishlist are also on GoG and I'll just shift what company I spend my money on.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

I have one complain that I think a lot's of peoples also mentioned , I'd really like if they allowed us to more or even remove the what's news sections.

the whole point of the interface is being customisable and it's still force you to have this category on the top.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

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Also this: https://playnite.link/screen1.jpg

Looks obnoxious as hell and like it would waste tons and tons of space at 4K.

Agreed. Not only that, but there's a column of completely static information on the left of the screen because whoever designed that UI thought (I guess?) things looked empty without it? That's a whole bunch of information you never need to look at, and it's been raised to the status of most important details to flood the screen with.

If this were a physical library of games, all that nonsense would be either on the side of the box or in a corner on the back because that's where it belongs, hidden away where you don't have to look at it.

If this were a better thought out UI, that info would be tucked away somewhere that requires an additional click to see, and in its place dynamic details about your game such as achievements earned, what your friends are doing in the game, news. etc.

Having all those static details wasting screen realestate really is clutter. It's neatly aligned clutter, but it's still clutter. If you can't see more interesting things on your screen because all that clutter is taking up so much space, we have a problem :P

How is that a "column of completely static information"? It's a very basic alphabetical listing of all the games. It literally isn't static because it can scroll, but I guess you could call it static if you can't change or re-sort what it contains.

Still, what this basically looks like is Steam's Detail View.

I disagree that a better UI would be "tucking" that info away into "somewhere that requires an additional click to see". There's more than enough screen space to display it; a ton of screen space currently used for the right-side panel is unoptimally used in that picture anyway.

Requiring an additional click makes the act of moving to another game slower for the user. It's better to use available screen space to show more information than to require users to click more.

Heck, even if you said "an additional keystroke", I might be more okay with that, since keystrokes are faster than mouse navigation.

That said, yeah, that space on the right could be used to show a lot more stuff relevant to the game itself. Right now, that big banner there is just there to look pretty. It ought to be optional. And the same applies for Steam.

[muffins]

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Agreed. Not only that, but there's a column of completely static information on the left of the screen because whoever designed that UI thought (I guess?) things looked empty without it? That's a whole bunch of information you never need to look at, and it's been raised to the status of most important details to flood the screen with.

That's a screenshot of their detail view. EVERYTHING in that screenshot can be moved, hidden, and resized. I use a heavily altered version of Detail view when I use it, but I'm usually using a modified List or Grid view instead.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927808395

Steam on the other hand has a Great Grey Box you can't hide, which houses their Holy Ad-Banner of Ads you can't permanently hide. 90% of Steam is The Grey Box now.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

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Agreed. Not only that, but there's a column of completely static information on the left of the screen because whoever designed that UI thought (I guess?) things looked empty without it? That's a whole bunch of information you never need to look at, and it's been raised to the status of most important details to flood the screen with.

If this were a physical library of games, all that nonsense would be either on the side of the box or in a corner on the back because that's where it belongs, hidden away where you don't have to look at it.

If this were a better thought out UI, that info would be tucked away somewhere that requires an additional click to see, and in its place dynamic details about your game such as achievements earned, what your friends are doing in the game, news. etc.

Having all those static details wasting screen realestate really is clutter. It's neatly aligned clutter, but it's still clutter. If you can't see more interesting things on your screen because all that clutter is taking up so much space, we have a problem :P

How is that a "column of completely static information"? It's a very basic alphabetical listing of all the games. It literally isn't static because it can scroll, but I guess you could call it static if you can't change or re-sort what it contains.

Okay.... let's see here.

Static data means stuff that has remained the same since you purchased your game.

1. How often does the publisher change?
   
2. What are the odds that after purchasing the game, its genre changes?
   
3. Why do I need to be told what platform the game is, when there's a Play button?
   
4. Release date matters why?

These are all static data, it's beyond ridiculous to even show these details anywhere except for a search-centric UI screen.

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Still, what this basically looks like is Steam's Detail View.

Which is why I really cannot wrap my head around the concept of that being useful.

Don't show me information I already know and/or am not looking for, I would prefer to see things I actually did in the game with all the wasted space reminding me such things as "game is still published by JoePublisher" or "game's release date hasn't changed."

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I disagree that a better UI would be "tucking" that info away into "somewhere that requires an additional click to see". There's more than enough screen space to display it; a ton of screen space currently used for the right-side panel is unoptimally used in that picture anyway.

Requiring an additional click makes the act of moving to another game slower for the user. It's better to use available screen space to show more information than to require users to click more.

Requiring an additional click makes it faster actually, the more details you don't need to see unless you're doing a search, the simpler the UI becomes and the faster you can go straight to the game you want.

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Heck, even if you said "an additional keystroke", I might be more okay with that, since keystrokes are faster than mouse navigation.

You must have misunderstood, the point of hiding things away is to get a clean view free from death-by-static-information-clutter (TM?), the speed at which you can reveal the information that was tucked neatly away doesn't matter because it's not information that has any importance after the initial sale of the game.

If you're in a position where that information is needed for something, you're in search mode. Steam's new UI has a separate interface for conducting searches, and that's where the otherwise unimportant static data is shown to you.

It's all about task-centric data. Simplify the UI when all that static nightmare wall of text is not pertinent to the current task. That's what we've got with Steam now, the UI in the screenshot follows the design principle of: indiscriminately puke rarely useful static data on the screen regardless what the user's doing.

[Erebus]

Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space? Like 50% of that screen is taken up by dates. There's only like 27~ objects visible. Ratings matter very little after you already bought something and almost a 3rd of if is just blank space.

It's also kinda annoying to parse quickly, but admittedly that's probably just me.

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Agreed. Not only that, but there's a column of completely static information on the left of the screen because whoever designed that UI thought (I guess?) things looked empty without it? That's a whole bunch of information you never need to look at, and it's been raised to the status of most important details to flood the screen with.

That's a screenshot of their detail view. EVERYTHING in that screenshot can be moved, hidden, and resized. I use a heavily altered version of Detail view when I use it, but I'm usually using a modified List or Grid view instead.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927808395

Steam on the other had had a Great Grey Box you can't hide, which houses their Holy Ad-Banner of Ads you can't permanently hide. 90% of Steam is The Grey Box now.

[muffins]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space?

That was how I used to use Steam. That is now how I use Playnite. It displays the info that I want and is relevant to me. EVERYTHING in that view can be changed. Different info columns, different size or font or colour text, etc. You can even resize the window so only the game names show, unlike Steam which forces you to stare at The Grey Box and The Ad-Banner.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space? Like 50% of that screen is taken up by dates. There's only like 27~ objects visible. Ratings matter very little after you already bought something and almost a 3rd of if is just blank space.

It's also kinda annoying to parse quickly, but admittedly that's probably just me.

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That's a screenshot of their detail view. EVERYTHING in that screenshot can be moved, hidden, and resized. I use a heavily altered version of Detail view when I use it, but I'm usually using a modified List or Grid view instead.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927808395

Steam on the other had had a Great Grey Box you can't hide, which houses their Holy Ad-Banner of Ads you can't permanently hide. 90% of Steam is The Grey Box now.

No, I feel the same way. I fall out of my chair every time I see it :P I've always been under the impression that it wasn't really intended to be used for any purpose than quickly sorting a list of games by something.

I never knew there were people who wanted their screen polluted with all of that information.

I do not know what they do with all those extra columns of information; it reminds me of my graduate school research assistant -- insisted her office was tidy because she was really good at clustering things and creating 3 foot tall towers of paper :) She at least did not claim to know a "system" for finding things, those are the worst. She flat out didn't know where to find anything and it's because no matter how many vertical columns of unrelated data you create, you're not actually organized.

Filing stuff away and then using a proper search protocol, that's where quasi-organization becomes real organization.

[muffins]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space?

Compare to The Great Grey Box that is now the Steam Library.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927825966

[Erebus]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space?

That was how I used to use Steam. That is now how I use Playnite. It displays the info that I want and is relevant to me. EVERYTHING in that view can be changed. Different info columns, different size or font or colour text, etc. You can even resize the window so only the game names show, unlike Steam which forces you to stare at The Grey Box and The Ad-Banner.

I still find it a huge waste of space in anything, be it a game client or a file explorer. Lot of columns in stuff is pointless info and it limits how much you can show on screen unless you do a double or triple list BUT then it's basically unusable at a glance.

[Erebus]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space?

Compare to The Great Grey Box that is now the Steam Library.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927825966

You realize your endless hyperbole just shoots you in the foot... repeatedly right?

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space? Like 50% of that screen is taken up by dates. There's only like 27~ objects visible. Ratings matter very little after you already bought something and almost a 3rd of if is just blank space.

It's also kinda annoying to parse quickly, but admittedly that's probably just me.

No, I feel the same way. I fall out of my chair every time I see it :P I've always been under the impression that it wasn't really intended to be used for any purpose than quickly sorting a list of games by something.

I never knew there were people who wanted their screen polluted with all of that information.

I do not know what they do with all those extra columns of information; it reminds me of my graduate school research assistant -- insisted her office was tidy because she was really good at clustering things and creating 3 foot tall towers of paper :) She at least did not claim to know a "system" for finding things, those are the worst. She flat out didn't know where to find anything and it's because no matter how many vertical columns of unrelated data you create, you're not actually organized.

Filing stuff away and then using a proper search protocol, that's where quasi-organization becomes real organization.

Your assistant sounded like some of my family...

For UIs I'd rather everything where I can find it at a glance, and then if I desire more info I can then look at it in depth. Showcasing all the details at once just limits the objects the screen can show and slows down how fast I can immediately locate stuff. List view is the "true" "information overload"... course yeah you might be able to choose to not display all of that... but then over half your screen real estate is utterly empty.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

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Am I the only person that finds list view a terrible waste of space?

Compare to The Great Grey Box that is now the Steam Library.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927825966

Nice clean interface, what's not to like? If you're building a bookshelf and leave the shelves off, you have the best organized library physically possible. It's all downhill from there.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

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Compare to The Great Grey Box that is now the Steam Library.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1927825966

Nice clean interface, what's not to like? If you're building a bookshelf and leave the shelves off, you have the best organized library physically possible. It's all downhill from there.

it's not perfect , I been thinking about it the large gray box is something I'd like to resize.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

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Nice clean interface, what's not to like? If you're building a bookshelf and leave the shelves off, you have the best organized library physically possible. It's all downhill from there.

it's not perfect , I been thinking about it the large gray box is something I'd like to resize.

Why? Wouldn't an adjustable splitter between the list on the left and the details on the right make more sense? Resizing the box itself would just leave holes in the UI :)

[Starry Cube]

What actions have i taken due to the Library UI change ...

Wishlist cleared.
Signed two petitions.
A recent sale has been ignored.
From a certain date, Nothing regarding Steam was acquired or Launched. Exclude Steam client for trying to download auto-update.
The Steam forum is visited through a regular browser like FireFox.
A Support ticket has been sent.
Submitted a Suggestions in "Beta Feedback" as new Discussion/Topic.
Submitted a Suggestions in "Suggestions/Ideas" as new Discussion/Topic.
Submitted a Suggestions in "Suggestions for the new Steam Library" as a Comment.
Submitted a Suggestions with Description of current problems due to the new UI Library in "Feedback regarding Library changes!" as a Comment.
In some Suggestions and Comments, I suggested reading Discussion/Topic where the regular user offers his vision of the new Library UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/1658943116233081546/

( Screenshot is here: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/769482421526062647/75A2905C1453F721990D49ED7BCC2E638C003EE3/ )

Supported by the short Comment or leaving just "+1".a majority of all Discussions/Topics about making changes to to UI, like reverting (either adding as an Options for the user's Choice, or full reworking the new UI to give it it's former qualities: neat appearance, usability, functionality, stability, reduced resource consumption and guaranteed launch ability of games.).
The problem is not in case is New UI or Old UI, the problem is that New UI is done Bad in many aspects.
Therefore, the way in which Steam returns to Order ... whether it is permanent revert, or an Option for choosing, or reworking the New into something better - is not so important for me.
Let it be New, but Good one, i will not mind. Really.



Answers to possible questions and suggestions ...

"reverted back to an older version"
- failed.
Steam in the next Launch returns to the non-working version, also each time updating the contents of steam.cfg... blaming my clumsy hands and slowpoke head but can't do anything.

"Just using Steam the same way as before, click a game - launch it, don't look back."
- currently impossible in my case.
Most of the games just does NOT start, those that start doesn't do it on the first Try.
All Steam is constantly Hanging or Crashing, in a short time when client runs it does it very laggy and glitchy, resource consumption is increased and performance has been lowered harshly.
Failure of whole Steam working when some Game is running, means an instant termination of a Game, which will follow: Restarting the entire Steam, suffering from a blotaware UI causing headache, and only then a few attempts to restart a Game. The stable work of Steam after this steps is not even assumed, the resource consumption is increased.

All attempts to fix problems on user side, like: recalculating cache, reinstalling the Games, reinstalling the entire Steam, set Library Tiles to small, disabled video encoding, enabled low bandwidth mode, enabled performance mode, searching for malwares and viruses, checking functionality of whole OS and etc. did not give positive results.
The last attempt to fix something on user side in one's own hand, was made on November 5, 2019.
(November 5th, 2019 - is the date after which Nothing regarding Steam was acquired or Launched. Exclude Steam client for trying to download auto-update.)
Further auto-updates and patches also did not produce positive results.
Currently Steam client is uninstalled due it's impossible to use it as it meant to (launch Games related to Steam), so i'm awaiting for a news informing that Steam is back to Order and flow of complains/negative feedbacks has been stopped by users itself - because they doesn't have to do it anymore due everything is fixed, working, looks neat and convenient in use again.

Games which is not related to Steam (retail) work flawlessly. But there are only 3 of them, since I relied on Steam. Looks like i made a huge mistake when I chose Steam and now I regretted this ...

"insert a command line as ..."
- insert a command line does not improve the situation as a whole.
Reasons still unknown, it just can't help or updated steam have no required instructions for those string commands.

"I just click the shortcuts on my desktop so it hasn't affected me at all"
- i do not confirm that.
Creating shortcuts does not help, because to launch Steam version of Game requires Steam to be launched (and work stable), and Steam will attempt to self-start but it no longer works stable due to the methods of how the new Library UI functioning.



In conclusion...

As i said before at some Discussion/Topic , for me it is too many problems that fell suddenly over 10 years of use, it’s impossible to handle with all of this.

Steam hasn't to be fixed before this "new Steam Library features" was released, but now it should be fixed.

I loved Steam for it's convenience and ease of usage.
It become something like a part of my life.
I gain pretty popular communication possibility with old friends, found new ones, become a part of several communities, even my own communication skill was risen (from the ground level).
Steam is platform where i chat, Steam is platform where i buy games, Steam is platform where i play with other players, Steam is platform where i search patches and solutions in forum or trying to give advices, Steam is platform where i watching new games via wishlist, Steam is platform where i looking at ingame screenshots... pretty amount of doings related to Steam which was used almost every day those 10 years.

I can’t find another such platform where I could do absolutely everything that I could with Steam - there are none.

I can’t buy again all the games that are added to my Steam account - it's too expensive for me.
Although people say that GOG will give away all the games assigned to my Steam account for free - i didn’t succeed.

Stagnant point. Everything i has is Obliterated now.

What actions have you taken due to the Library UI change? I taken every action i able to, and i have nothing to do more, except to just wait until Steam with this horrible UI will be fixed...

[Erebus]

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the problem is that New UI is done Bad in many aspects.

Nope, false.

You just don't like it.