What actions have you taken due to the Library UI change?

[FluffyPinkDecoyBunny]

I've read a lot of angry posts on the subject of this change and lots of folks demanding things to be changed back. I'd personally like it changed back or at the very minimum, get the new UI to work without running like crap. Right now the new Library UI runs slow, doesn't load most of the time, causes Steam to crash and eats up to 4x or more RAM than it used to, even if you have Steam minimized.


So, I'm just curious: What have you done in regards to the Library UI change?

* I've reverted back to an older version - things run smooth again. No crashes and nothing from Steam hogging resources.
* I've cleared out my nearly 70 game wishlist.
* I won't stop using Steam due to the fact I have a good amount of games on it, but I won't support them anymore by spending money with them. I found a good chunk of the games on my wishlist are also on GoG and I'll just shift what company I spend my money on.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Erebus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

How many updates and manpower did the list view cause in the time since it was created?

What if they had made the new library a choice?
If that thing was so awesome it would have been worth the extra effort.
But as is, the new library had to hide itself behind the removal of choice.

I am quite sure, the people who created this library would not have been happy about the real acceptance figures, which choice would have revealed.

A handful of the same users whinging in every thread points to the figures actually being most like it or don't care. Given the most ardent haters are exclaiming they won't purchase more on Steam since it went live... the noteworthy success of Star Wars Jedi Fallen order (in spite of origin integration and Denuvo) points to the people that actually spend money on the store not being supremely devastated by the concept of change.

If there is no choice you can not say, that it is the choice.

On the 30th october not all people magically thought, yes, this is my choice now.

Just everyone has to use it, even if they have no use for it.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Erebus:

A handful of the same users whinging in every thread points to the figures actually being most like it or don't care. Given the most ardent haters are exclaiming they won't purchase more on Steam since it went live... the noteworthy success of Star Wars Jedi Fallen order (in spite of origin integration and Denuvo) points to the people that actually spend money on the store not being supremely devastated by the concept of change.

If there is no choice you can not say, that it is the choice.

On the 30th october not all people magically thought, yes, this is my choice now.

Just everyone has to use it, even if they have no use for it.

This.

And, oh, "if you don't like Steam then you can just not use it" (1) is not a meaningful choice, and (2) happens to explain the reaction of a good number of people who've already posted their thoughts here about it -- they will choose not to use it.

Whether this is a winning strategy for Valve remains to be seen.

[Glock17]

Diposting pertama kali oleh GreenPea:

I am pretty much done buying on Steam at this point. Buying has become a rarity now. I have no faith in the company. The client fiasco showed me how we need alternatives to this place.

indeed. Its sad. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot and letting this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bleed and refuse necessary aid to stop the bleeding.

They dont care, they're seriously going to run themselves out of business by screwing over the loyal and important community base in favor appealing to a larger market for greed.

If they cant keep their main core community happy. How can they keep the new ones to stay?

its going to end in lower ROI and that will lead to debt increase and then they're gonna start butchering their own company in order to save money in favor of attempting to maintain profits.

And everyday, people are learning, the numbers of people switching over maybe be small, but it will continue and eventually valve will end up with nothing and lose in the end. Wont be a year for now, but it will be within 8 years. OR. They can nip it in the bud and actually do some community change and really put our best interests in mind.

Not only would they get the loyal base back, but it will make us love them for it and more likely to leave a beaming review for anyone who doesnt know to enjoy. What is better? A stable paying base that will last decades down the road or "super-duper trendy get-rich-quick schemes" gamble?

Id bet the house on stable consistently-paying base for the rest of my life.

I might not get a ferrari or a mansion, but at least I wont worry about not having a means to provide in the next week.

[Glock17]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

If there is no choice you can not say, that it is the choice.

On the 30th october not all people magically thought, yes, this is my choice now.

Just everyone has to use it, even if they have no use for it.

This.

And, oh, "if you don't like Steam then you can just not use it" (1) is not a meaningful choice, and (2) happens to explain the reaction of a good number of people who've already posted their thoughts here about it -- they will choose not to use it.

Whether this is a winning strategy for Valve remains to be seen.

I can for sure tell you its not.

It may not seem like a losing strategy, but in a few years down the road, you will see a significant decrease on sales and membership.

Once that happens, its going to affect every single feature on steam; less likes on artwork, less active users, less smart IT people providing guides, less items being sold on the market, less people making content and workshop items for games: especially market items and paid or subscribed content.
Less people troubleshooting games, less people being interested, and then the trend follows.

Soon, they will have no active playerbase and that means no money coming in, then it calls for question for what is important in operating their business: start shutting down departments within the company.

Also lots of unhappy people, especially CSkins hoarders who bank on the live community base on the market.

But! if less means for skins, means less scammers online on steam, they'll go somewhere else xD

[CORBINLORD]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Erebus:

It's not laggy by default, that depends on the users' operating environment.

"Ferrari sports cars are not expensive by default, that depends on the prospective owner's disposable income."

Based on middle-class working adults...yes they are. Nice try, but apples and oranges. You take it and put a small twist on a variable like a reference medium [average wage] does not make it an acceptable use of explanation.
I do DISAGREE though that the majority of lag was based on users incapable or imperfect pc setup. I myself have had bugs and issues that are simply that...bugs, and are easily recognizable when they are fixed or have noticeable fluctuations within a brief period of time with absolutely no changes to the users system itself.

[craigsters]

None, sometimes thing's need a change for the better, been part of forums that change there look and design every few years, you get used to the layout and re-learn to navigate and use it again!..

gtaforums.com member sense 2006 seen many looks and changes there
cheathappens member sense 2007
steak N cheese, consumptionjunction - sick site network member sense 2004 damn site was sold to the pron industry

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AustrAlien2010:

Changed a few basic settings. I've not been messing around with it all that much.

Don't want to divert or change the installation, to prevent any uncommon bugs from occuring from having a custom installation.

Let's see...

Disabled GPU support for browsing.
Let low bandwidth mode on.
Disabled pre-caching.

That's all I've changed. I'm not sure what will happen if i turn those things on. I just turned them off or changed them, for no particular reason. No problems.

Performance will improve for one if you turn them back on :) Why did you turn that stuff off?

Low bandwidth mode was good until it also disabled precaching of library images. As a result of the precaching change, bandwidth will be reduced, but the client will also be less responsive when selecting a game for the first time and many people are complaining about the amount of time it takes to stream in the library assets. If you're one of those people who complain that stuff's not appearing instantly, turn low bandwidth mode back off.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AustrAlien2010:

Changed a few basic settings. I've not been messing around with it all that much.

Don't want to divert or change the installation, to prevent any uncommon bugs from occuring from having a custom installation.

Let's see...

Disabled GPU support for browsing.
Let low bandwidth mode on.
Disabled pre-caching.

That's all I've changed. I'm not sure what will happen if i turn those things on. I just turned them off or changed them, for no particular reason. No problems.

Performance will improve for one if you turn them back on :) Why did you turn that stuff off?

Low bandwidth mode was good until it also disabled precaching of library images. As a result of the precaching change, bandwidth will be reduced, but the client will also be less responsive when selecting a game for the first time and many people are complaining about the amount of time it takes to stream in the library assets. If you're one of those people who complain that stuff's not appearing instantly, turn low bandwidth mode back off.

All of this should not happen in the first place.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

Performance will improve for one if you turn them back on :) Why did you turn that stuff off?

Low bandwidth mode was good until it also disabled precaching of library images. As a result of the precaching change, bandwidth will be reduced, but the client will also be less responsive when selecting a game for the first time and many people are complaining about the amount of time it takes to stream in the library assets. If you're one of those people who complain that stuff's not appearing instantly, turn low bandwidth mode back off.

All of this should not happen in the first place.

It doesn't, until you go poking around turning off options you don't understand.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how important it is to leave GPU accelerated rendering on. 90% of the Steam client is rendered using Chromium now, about the only thing that's not affected by that setting is the control panel and the Store, Library, Community, Username bar of text -- yes that toolbar with those buttons and that toolbar only.

You may complain about performance after you turn GPU accelerated rendering back on. Until then, you're just shooting yourself in the foot and telling us how painful that is.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

All of this should not happen in the first place.

It doesn't, until you go poking around turning off options you don't understand.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how important it is to leave GPU accelerated rendering on. 90% of the Steam client is rendered using Chromium now, about the only thing that's not affected by that setting is the control panel and the Store, Library, Community, Username bar of text -- yes that toolbar with those buttons and that toolbar only.

You may complain about performance after you turn GPU accelerated rendering back on. Until then, you're just shooting yourself in the foot and telling us how painful that is.

In firefox it says, (this setting) uses your gpu to process things like videos and games.

A library should not need that. I do not want to play a library.

I do not see why i should waste energy and video ram on a library.

[random]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Erebus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh random:

And in all of this you kinda forgot to give players a list of available "Launch Option" commands so that they dont have to ask google every time they want to disable an intro movie of the games you play.

You kind of make your entire rant look like nitpicking from someone that doesn't know much when you include stuff like this.

Launch options aren't universal. Syntax can vary with OS version in some cases, options and syntax definitely varies by game engine, even games within the same engine valid commands and options differ.

You're ranting while demanding stuff that showcases how little you understand the PC platform.

The GAME knows how to respond to each individual input, right? I didnt mean a universal list of launch options, I meant launch options SPECIFICALLY for each game.

Also, it is absolutely mindblowing how after walls of text that did include outrage and quite a lot of cries for change you still dismiss this outburst as inconsequential. This has been quite a bit more than the usual feedback.

But hey, all of Steam's competitors are having a field day. Steam looked inpenetrable. Invulnerable. The big one. Change is forced upon us, and overall the change does not provide something we like. Comparing it to new Windows releases is somehow quite fitting: A lot of the new Windows releases have been HORRIBLE on release, and unsafe to use for quite a period of time. We want this BS changed. We are pushing for MORE changes, because the ones you unloaded onto us are making us quite unhappy, and thats a fact you cant and shouldnt dismiss. If your takeaway from all of this is that people are different and we actually WANT to have some level of customization, dont whine about the work load and instead figure out how to achieve that goal.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

All of this should not happen in the first place.

It doesn't, until you go poking around turning off options you don't understand.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how important it is to leave GPU accelerated rendering on. 90% of the Steam client is rendered using Chromium now, about the only thing that's not affected by that setting is the control panel and the Store, Library, Community, Username bar of text -- yes that toolbar with those buttons and that toolbar only.

You may complain about performance after you turn GPU accelerated rendering back on. Until then, you're just shooting yourself in the foot and telling us how painful that is.

And what I bolded is something that is stupid and should not be the case with the Steam client.

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Muppet among Puppets:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

It doesn't, until you go poking around turning off options you don't understand.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how important it is to leave GPU accelerated rendering on. 90% of the Steam client is rendered using Chromium now, about the only thing that's not affected by that setting is the control panel and the Store, Library, Community, Username bar of text -- yes that toolbar with those buttons and that toolbar only.

You may complain about performance after you turn GPU accelerated rendering back on. Until then, you're just shooting yourself in the foot and telling us how painful that is.

In firefox it says, (this setting) uses your gpu to process things like videos and games.

A library should not need that. I do not want to play a library.

I do not see why i should waste energy and video ram on a library.

Because doing the same thing on the CPU is orders of magnitude slower? This is a compatibility setting, intended only to be used if you have a bad driver or something like that. Your misunderstanding of how things work is actually harming you :(

[[SK] Kaldaien]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

It doesn't, until you go poking around turning off options you don't understand.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how important it is to leave GPU accelerated rendering on. 90% of the Steam client is rendered using Chromium now, about the only thing that's not affected by that setting is the control panel and the Store, Library, Community, Username bar of text -- yes that toolbar with those buttons and that toolbar only.

You may complain about performance after you turn GPU accelerated rendering back on. Until then, you're just shooting yourself in the foot and telling us how painful that is.

And what I bolded is something that is stupid and should not be the case with the Steam client.

It's only stupid when running in software mode. I'd argue the stupid part is that there aren't several warnings preventing you from switching off the GPU-accelerated render path.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SK Kaldaien:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quint the Alligator Snapper:

And what I bolded is something that is stupid and should not be the case with the Steam client.

It's only stupid when running in software mode. I'd argue the stupid part is that there aren't several warnings preventing you from switching off the GPU-accelerated render path.

What do you mean by "software mode"?