Epic is starting to worry me

[Quadsword]

Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Shay 🦊 eredeti hozzászólása:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

They're working on Linux support ATM, and made new AMD compiler which was a huge boost in performance for Linux users, then there UI that supposedly we're getting soon, if those are not improvements, then sorry they're not improvements for you specifically.

I was talking about them and the developpers, not porting to other OS. Plus, even when we talk about it, how long have people been asking for it? Really freaking long, if I recall correctly, and it now only happens when others have already done so.

We are talking about them... People been asking Devs/Pubs to port their game/software to other OS's, including Linux support. The community took it upon themselves to do emulation support for the Windows version which why wine, and proton exists. This is where Steam in adding it into their system, making it more convenient for the end users. The whole new compiler Steam made for AMD users shows either AMD was holding back, or something not right, but everyone happy that the compiler is open source.

Also who these others that already done it are you refering to the community, or what? Not many, or nearly no other platform on Windows side wanted to support Linux, by far GoG, and Steam been pro to Linux users than anyone else.

[WolfEisberg]

iLLusi_Lord eredeti hozzászólása:

Then developers ask, "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit?"

And what specific developers are asking that?

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

And what specific developers are asking that?

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

[Crazy Tiger]

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

And what specific developers are asking that?

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

You got a quote for all the ones that fall under "Any that are going Epic exclusive?". And yeah, I mean actual sources.

[WolfEisberg]

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

And what specific developers are asking that?

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

Try again
from WWZ developers

"On the PC specifically, we are performing way above expectations thanks to the support we have received from the Epic Games Store," commented studio co-founder and CEO, Matthew Karch

“We always believed the game would find a good following on PC eventually. The surprise was just how quickly it happened, and how important Epic’s platform was in getting us there."

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/345477/World_War_Z_has_topped_700000_sales_on_the_Epic_Games_Store.php

That is the complete opposite of "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit".

[Erebus]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

Try again
from WWZ developers

"On the PC specifically, we are performing way above expectations thanks to the support we have received from the Epic Games Store," commented studio co-founder and CEO, Matthew Karch

“We always believed the game would find a good following on PC eventually. The surprise was just how quickly it happened, and how important Epic’s platform was in getting us there."

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/345477/World_War_Z_has_topped_700000_sales_on_the_Epic_Games_Store.php

That is the complete opposite of "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit".

Multiplayer games live/die on whether they appear successful. We've gone over this before but "Evolve" "met expectations" and 2K was "pleased with the performance".... You know the game that bled players like a hemophiliac pushed down a flight of stairs covered in broken glass..

Publisher/developer comments on sales always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Success begets success. Few will pick up an MP game considered "dead" (which incidentally is why SteamSpy is arguably harmful).

Course we've gone over this before and you always love the PR version more..

[WolfEisberg]

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Try again
from WWZ developers


https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/345477/World_War_Z_has_topped_700000_sales_on_the_Epic_Games_Store.php

That is the complete opposite of "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit".

Multiplayer games live/die on whether they appear successful. We've gone over this before but "Evolve" "met expectations" and 2K was "pleased with the performance".... You know the game that bled players like a hemophiliac pushed down a flight of stairs covered in broken glass..

Publisher/developer comments on sales always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Success begets success. Few will pick up an MP game considered "dead" (which incidentally is why SteamSpy is arguably harmful).

Course we've gone over this before and you always love the PR version more..

Feel free to provide evidence of this "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit" actually happening. I provided that statement since that statement is the exact opposite of what Ness was claiming.

Also provide evidence that the developers of WWZ are not being honest in their statement.

[A Chewy Pickle]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Also provide evidence that the developers of WWZ are not being honest in their statement.

It's called 'reading between the lines'. Once you've mastered the art you'll see the world in a whole new light. I suggest you take classes in it. You might just learn something.

Do you actually understand the role of PR?

[WolfEisberg]

Frodo T Baggins eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Also provide evidence that the developers of WWZ are not being honest in their statement.

It's called 'reading between the lines'. Once you've mastered the art you'll see the world in a whole new light. I suggest you take classes in it. You might just learn something.

Do you actually understand the role of PR?

In other words, you can't handle the truth, so you have to make up something they didn't say so as to still make it seem like the developers are not happy. Ok.

[A Chewy Pickle]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Frodo T Baggins eredeti hozzászólása:

It's called 'reading between the lines'. Once you've mastered the art you'll see the world in a whole new light. I suggest you take classes in it. You might just learn something.

Do you actually understand the role of PR?

In other words, you can't handle the truth, so you have to make up something they didn't say so as to still make it seem like the developers are not happy. Ok.

So you don't understand the role of PR...... interesting.

[McGillicutti]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

McGillicutti eredeti hozzászólása:

Monopoly in context.

Monopoly by use is where the customer creates the monopoly. The monopoly fails when the company fails to address the needs of the customer.

Monopoly by force, is where a company has an Exclusivity Agreement granted to them, usually by a producer, and exploits the popularity of a product against the customer for promises of higher returns via higher margins between cost and sales of product.

Epic is obviously the latter. Those higher profit margins are paid by the customer.

You do realize that the latter has been literally how the entertainment industries function by default right? COmics, Movies, Music, Video Games, Books. That's literally the same business model. And no its not really a monopoly. Because at any time the customer can choose to bypass or substitute the product for something else. Or even buy it elsewhere. Did you forget that these exclusives are all Timed?

Being timed only insures it's a monopoly control of that product's distribution during the period of the exclusive is absolute as intended. Try to appreciate what the monopoly is in regard to and not some generic amoebic notion of monopoly you assumed was meant. I've been specific and that's reflected in the top line you left out of citing me to make this rebuttal against overbroad use which I didn't do.

These other models you mention generally didn't demand an immediate and direct transfer of money for the "purchase" of the product (or license of use thereof). You bought other products advertised and then these advertisers paid for a broad brush broadcast that you can change the channel from.

If someone, whether investor or not, is looking forward to a specific product in a specific way that they were even told would be the case, but then that doesn't happen and the product's distribution is restricted to locations they do not wish to use or do not appreciate the additional charges related to purchase therefrom and/or other inconveniences, the exclusivity bars them from making other choices, but one: NOT BUYING IT.

Sure that's a choice, but it's not the one the customer was wanting, looking forward to, paying for, nor the investor investing to achieve, and due to a monopoly over distribution.

Publishers in all these industries want broad access to their product unless it rises to a level that picking one specific distributor will achieve the same or better results. Results that are just about money will be easy for a paying Exclusive Monopoly Distribution Agreement to gain all rights to, whereas results based on customer saturation and other factors that the Publisher is trying to achieve, that well include Customer Satisfaction will deny making any such moves to any exclusive distribution. All the industries and products you mentioned function on these premises because they have to have the affordability to weather the conversion or know there shall be none to weather.

That is not what Epic has done here and your confusion, or intentional effort to paint a picture that isn't the case by what appears purposeful and intentional exclusion of terms that assure clarity will not help make what I've said inaccurate.

[WolfEisberg]

Frodo T Baggins eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

In other words, you can't handle the truth, so you have to make up something they didn't say so as to still make it seem like the developers are not happy. Ok.

So you don't understand the role of PR...... interesting.

Hand waving everything you don't like as being "PR" is a weak argument. Either they stated the truth, or they didn't, it is as simple as that, cause if there was anything in that their statement that was not true, then it makes it an untrue statement. Either they are happy with their results, or they are not happy with the results.

So you got anything to prove that they were not being honest in their statements?

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

You got a quote for all the ones that fall under "Any that are going Epic exclusive?". And yeah, I mean actual sources.

I'm basing it on number crunching. World War Z has 250k for its first week or two. It was compared to another indie game that did much better here on Steam. Plus if you factor in the number of users, Steam's actual numbers vs Epic's are large enough to make that 18% seem like it's not really a good deal. Again, numbers are what is important and even though Epic might offer a bigger cut, it's not a better deal when you look at the bigger picture.

[McGillicutti]

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

You got a quote for all the ones that fall under "Any that are going Epic exclusive?". And yeah, I mean actual sources.

I'm basing it on number crunching. World War Z has 250k for its first week or two. It was compared to another indie game that did much better here on Steam. Plus if you factor in the number of users, Steam's actual numbers vs Epic's are large enough to make that 18% seem like it's not really a good deal. Again, numbers are what is important and even though Epic might offer a bigger cut, it's not a better deal when you look at the bigger picture.

Nailed it! :)

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews eredeti hozzászólása:

Any that are going Epic exclusive. I'd imagine World War Z would have sold better on Steam than it did on Epic because there's a significantly larger audience on Steam.

Try again
from WWZ developers

"On the PC specifically, we are performing way above expectations thanks to the support we have received from the Epic Games Store," commented studio co-founder and CEO, Matthew Karch

“We always believed the game would find a good following on PC eventually. The surprise was just how quickly it happened, and how important Epic’s platform was in getting us there."

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/345477/World_War_Z_has_topped_700000_sales_on_the_Epic_Games_Store.php

That is the complete opposite of "I truly don't understand, this is supposed to be a better split so why am I making less profit".

That number might be accurate if you PS4 sales...