Epic is starting to worry me

[Quadsword]

Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.

[WolfEisberg]

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews. eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

The Steam rules says otherwise. Also all the games you are thinking about, were games that became available on Steam when the game released. They were up for preorder as well on Steam. That is completely different than games not up for preorder or not going to be available on day 1. You only have your wrong but feeling, where as the Steam rules proves why they couldn't get keys. There is nothing wrong with Steams rules, they are under no obligation to keys keys for games that are not going to be available day 1 or are not available for preorder on Steam.

Show me the rules that back your claim up then. Also, Metro Exodus was available for preorder and Shenmue 3 backers were supposed to get Steam keys.

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

keep dreaming, but micro transactions in general are not going anywhere, the gambling might, the rest won't. Also keep dreaming that Epic are going to be in some financial trouble, that isn't going to happen.

I know you want to see all of this to stop, but it won't happen until either Steam matches the revenue split, or when Epic becomes the top dog because dev/pubs go exclusive to Epic even without an exclusive deal.

Pretty sure they're under review as well. Can't have kids emptying their parents' bank accounts for GTA 5 cash.

Or Epic starts getting sued over this crap, Epic goes bankrupt, or developers realize Epic deals aren't really worth the lost sales. I'd personally prefer to see Valve sue Epic so Sweeney can't just go back on his word again as he'd face trouble with the law or Epic going bankrupt so they wouldn't have the money to do any more exclusivity deals.

Read this whole page
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys

Metro was already up for preorder on Steam and got pre orders, so it was allowed because Steam got money. Shenmue was never up for preorder on Steam, therefore it doesn't get keys since it won't be available to buy on day 1.

They are not under review, rather the EU is investigating gambling in gaming and online gaming addiction, and micro transactions in general are not even n the radar, just the gambling part.

Epic hasn't done anything to get sued for, so that isn't going to happen. Valve can't sue Epic either, there is no case there. With news we jeep hearing, sales are going well for the devs, so that isn't going to be an issue either. I don't think you realize how much billions is, they made 3 billion in profit alone last year, well on their way matching if not do even better than that this year. They'll be fine.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Read this whole page
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys

Metro was already up for preorder on Steam and got pre orders, so it was allowed because Steam got money. Shenmue was never up for preorder on Steam, therefore it doesn't get keys since it won't be available to buy on day 1.

They are not under review, rather the EU is investigating gambling in gaming and online gaming addiction, and micro transactions in general are not even n the radar, just the gambling part.

Epic hasn't done anything to get sued for, so that isn't going to happen. Valve can't sue Epic either, there is no case there. With news we jeep hearing, sales are going well for the devs, so that isn't going to be an issue either. I don't think you realize how much billions is, they made 3 billion in profit alone last year, well on their way matching if not do even better than that this year. They'll be fine.

Only thing I see close to Sweeney's claim implies the developers/publishers are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

We reserve the right to deny requests for keys or revoke key requesting privileges for partners that are abusing them or disadvantaging Steam customers.

If we detect that you have requested an extreme number of keys and you aren't offering Steam customers a good value, we may deny your request.

We reserve the right to remove key requesting privileges from any partner whose sole business is selling Steam keys and not providing value or a fair deal to Steam customers.

If Sweeney's claim is true, one could argue that these exclusivity deals are the problem. Either by abusing them or mistreating Steam customers.

Actually backers of Shenmue 3 were supposed to get Steam keys.

Anti-competitive practices like the monopoly Epic's trying to establish sounds like a good reason to sue them. They're interfering with fair competition. As for the sales, I don't buy any of that crap.

[76561198971639607]

don't install epic launcher and download fortnite after that! Play CS:GO or PUBG Mobile or pc anything, Epic are just money hungry.

[Vile]

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

Deadsea_1993 eredeti hozzászólása:

So you’re dancing around the question ? Saying “Play my backlog” is ignoring the real problem of the Steam and Epic situation.

Not really. People behaving like impatient drug addicts when it comes to gaming is over half the reason Epic thinks they can get away with their business model. I mean hell look at you you're so impatient and torn up over EGS that you're willing to throw in your hat with game streaming which is the most oppressive controlling release scheme possible.

Did you really just say that Borderlands 3 and Metro: Exodus aren’t worth it as two examples ? Lmao.

Considering outside of these threads no one ever mentions, talks about, or thinks about Metro Exodus? I'm going to say yeah it's not worth it. For a big project to have like no community and no one talking about it is a terrible sign. And what makes you think BL3 is actually good? Gearbox has a spotty track-record at best. It could be a massive stinker. Even if it isn't though given Pitchford... it's certainly a "wait for deep discounts on a decent platform" title.

Also again XBOX GAME PASS.

You are dancing around the question again when I said You don’t own Steam games cause you can’t sell them or part with them if you choose. If I buy a car, I can sell it. I’m selling a camper right now. If you buy a game and decide to sell it later, you can’t.

So... that's your paperthin defense of throwing away all your rights and control? Cause I can mod Steam games, I can play most of them if my connection drops, they can't just be legally taken away without good reason, hell I can cheat in them if I want. You're super excited for a platform more oppressive than consoles.

I believe Stadia will do far better than the other products and it looks more promising. You are also wrong, I’ve never been a day 1 backer of anything before. Comparing this to Ouya is laughable at best when Ouya was crowd funded and it was by a relatively low key company. The CEO also was shady and the company took the money and ran. It destroyed the trust of crowd funding and their idea was fairly stupid anyway to play free to play app based phone games on a $100 device. I also was unaware of On Live at the time and I’d say back then that the technology wouldn’t be ready. Now is the time

A. This ♥♥♥♥ always "looks promising" that's called effective marketing campaigns.
B. The point wasn't specifically about Ouya it was about how you blindly buy into hype.
C. The primary problems OnLive had are the same problems Stadia has that hasn't changed. Internet infrastructure is still terrible (and fragile), paying sticker price for "less ownership" than you have with reg digital distro or consoles isn't a popular concept, and many many people have data caps.

Buying into Stadia because of Epic is like deciding to give up your car because someone ♥♥♥♥ in your driveway.

F Xbox Pass. I left Microsoft to come to Steam. They treat their fans worse than Dethklock does.

I’ll buy into this “Oppressive system”, lmao.

Who said I was getting Stadia just cause of this ? I was getting it anyway to play alongside Steam cause I’m not interested in upgrading my rig anytime soon cause I just upgraded it last month.

Your opinion that no one cares about Metro and Borderlands is a very flawed one, so leave it at that.

Let’s agree to disagree, like I said, I have the balls to be a day 1 backer, a huge risk. The naysayers aren’t risking anything and so really they should mind their business and quit bi$$$$ng cause they will lose nothing if it does fail

[76561198971639607]

guys really don't download epic launcher they doesn't want you to play their "pathetic cartoonish" game, all they want is ur money

[Pheace]

baconcolonel eredeti hozzászólása:

guys really don't download epic launcher they doesn't want you to play their "pathetic cartoonish" game, all they want is ur money

No offense but if you go into any store thinking they are *not* after your money you're doing something wrong.

[Grimaldus]

The important question is, is Epic launcher still spyware on Steam ?.
Last i read, Epic was caught with their hands in the cookiejar with their
launcher being a spyware spying on your Steamaccount, looking at your gaming preferences. etc etc .

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Grimaldus eredeti hozzászólása:

The important question is, is Epic launcher still spyware on Steam ?.
Last i read, Epic was caught with their hands in the cookiejar with their
launcher being a spyware spying on your Steamaccount, looking at your gaming preferences. etc etc .

Shortest answer: yes. When you click import friends it will do the three things scan, make encrypted files and send it to their servers.

[WolfEisberg]

Grimaldus eredeti hozzászólása:

The important question is, is Epic launcher still spyware on Steam ?.
Last i read, Epic was caught with their hands in the cookiejar with their
launcher being a spyware spying on your Steamaccount, looking at your gaming preferences. etc etc .

No.
When a user decides to do the friends list importing, it will get the friends list from the localconfig.vdf file on your PC, and only transmit the relevant data needed for the friends list to Epic, no other information is sent to Epic. All happens with user permission.

People have actually looked into what EGS client is actually doing, and no, nothing is being transmitted without permission, you can even see what is being transmitted.
Read these from people who actually know what they are talking about.
https://nickcano.com/epic-games-spyware/

and

the hearts in the link is a four letter word that starts with "S" and ends in "hit".
https://web.archive.org/web/20190404081810/https://forum.facepunch.com/general/bvnqr/Epic-Games-Store-Is-♥♥♥♥-But-It-s-Not-Spyware/1/
For the Red frowny boxes, just click on the box and you'll see the image.

It's not spyware.

[ともり]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Grimaldus eredeti hozzászólása:

The important question is, is Epic launcher still spyware on Steam ?.
Last i read, Epic was caught with their hands in the cookiejar with their
launcher being a spyware spying on your Steamaccount, looking at your gaming preferences. etc etc .

No.
When a user decides to do the friends list importing, it will get the friends list from the localconfig.vdf file on your PC, and only transmit the relevant data needed for the friends list to Epic, no other information is sent to Epic. All happens with user permission.

People have actually looked into what EGS client is actually doing, and no, nothing is being transmitted without permission, you can even see what is being transmitted.
Read these from people who actually know what they are talking about.
https://nickcano.com/epic-games-spyware/

and

the hearts in the link is a four letter word that starts with "S" and ends in "hit".
https://web.archive.org/web/20190404081810/https://forum.facepunch.com/general/bvnqr/Epic-Games-Store-Is-♥♥♥♥-But-It-s-Not-Spyware/1/
For the Red frowny boxes, just click on the box and you'll see the image.

It's not spyware.

even if its not spyware as the article says its ♥♥♥♥

[Vile]

What sucks is that I have to download it to get Walking Dead The Final Chapter. No way around that.

[Start_Running]

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

Deadsea_1993 eredeti hozzászólása:

So you’re dancing around the question ? Saying “Play my backlog” is ignoring the real problem of the Steam and Epic situation.

Not really. People behaving like impatient drug addicts when it comes to gaming is over half the reason Epic thinks they can get away with their business model. I mean hell look at you you're so impatient and torn up over EGS that you're willing to throw in your hat with game streaming which is the most oppressive controlling release scheme possible.

Pretty much. This.

Did you really just say that Borderlands 3 and Metro: Exodus aren’t worth it as two examples ? Lmao.

Considering outside of these threads no one ever mentions, talks about, or thinks about Metro Exodus? I'm going to say yeah it's not worth it. For a big project to have like no community and no one talking about it is a terrible sign. And what makes you think BL3 is actually good? Gearbox has a spotty track-record at best. It could be a massive stinker. Even if it isn't though given Pitchford... it's certainly a "wait for deep discounts on a decent platform" title.

Also again XBOX GAME PASS.

BL as a franchise has done pretty well, but here's what most people forget. The base game is typicallyt lack-l;uster. IIt's the inevitable character dlc and stuff that make a bl game worth it

Buying into Stadia because of Epic is like deciding to give up your car because someone ♥♥♥♥ in your driveway.

[Erebus]

Deadsea_1993 eredeti hozzászólása:

What sucks is that I have to download it to get Walking Dead The Final Chapter. No way around that.

"Have to"

Sure keep behaving like a drug addict like most gamers', it's why the industry feels safe pulling this crap.

[Vile]

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

Deadsea_1993 eredeti hozzászólása:

What sucks is that I have to download it to get Walking Dead The Final Chapter. No way around that.

"Have to"

Sure keep behaving like a drug addict like most gamers', it's why the industry feels safe pulling this crap.

Because I don’t have any other choice in the matter ? It’s an Epic exclusive. I could wait around on it and that’s like waiting for Mario to come to PlayStation.

So I’m not understanding your reasoning of drug addict gamers that act on impulse. I don’t want to support Epic and yet I don’t have a choice really to shop elsewhere. I blame Tell Tale more though and so it is what it is.

I’m done wasting my time debating with you. I am done with the autism like debating here.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

Not really. People behaving like impatient drug addicts when it comes to gaming is over half the reason Epic thinks they can get away with their business model. I mean hell look at you you're so impatient and torn up over EGS that you're willing to throw in your hat with game streaming which is the most oppressive controlling release scheme possible.

Pretty much. This.

Considering outside of these threads no one ever mentions, talks about, or thinks about Metro Exodus? I'm going to say yeah it's not worth it. For a big project to have like no community and no one talking about it is a terrible sign. And what makes you think BL3 is actually good? Gearbox has a spotty track-record at best. It could be a massive stinker. Even if it isn't though given Pitchford... it's certainly a "wait for deep discounts on a decent platform" title.

Also again XBOX GAME PASS.

BL as a franchise has done pretty well, but here's what most people forget. The base game is typicallyt lack-l;uster. IIt's the inevitable character dlc and stuff that make a bl game worth it

Buying into Stadia because of Epic is like deciding to give up your car because someone ♥♥♥♥ in your driveway.

No, you didn’t even quote my reply to this. I never said that I was getting Stadia cause of Epic. I said that Valve should step it up over letting Epic take games from them for a long time or else I was shopping elsewhere and they will lose the money from me.

As for “Well Borderlands base is boring though” that sounds like making excuses for Valve. Like I said, I’m not waiting nearly a year to play a big game that my friends are all excited for cause I want to game with them. It’s no different than if I was to wait nearly a year after the new Marvel movie came out and I missed watching it in theaters with friends.

I’m getting Stadia because I have Steam and I’d like to try something else and I don’t want to get a console either. I’ve explained my valid reasons for wanting Stadia and I’m getting it Day 1. Since Borderlands 3, Metro: Exodus, and many other games that Epic has taken as timed exclusives are there on Stadia, I’ll just get them on Stadia. I’m not supporting a company nearly a year later by giving them my money for “leftovers” when it comes to games.

[Dr. Sinister]

Deadsea_1993 eredeti hozzászólása:

Erebus eredeti hozzászólása:

"Have to"

Sure keep behaving like a drug addict like most gamers', it's why the industry feels safe pulling this crap.

Because I don’t have any other choice in the matter ? It’s an Epic exclusive. I could wait around on it and that’s like waiting for Mario to come to PlayStation.

So I’m not understanding your reasoning of drug addict gamers that act on impulse. I don’t want to support Epic and yet I don’t have a choice really to shop elsewhere. I blame Tell Tale more though and so it is what it is.

I’m done wasting my time debating with you. I am done with the autism like debating here.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Pretty much. This.


BL as a franchise has done pretty well, but here's what most people forget. The base game is typicallyt lack-l;uster. IIt's the inevitable character dlc and stuff that make a bl game worth it

No, you didn’t even quote my reply to this. I never said that I was getting Stadia cause of Epic. I said that Valve should step it up over letting Epic take games from them for a long time or else I was shopping elsewhere and they will lose the money from me.

As for “Well Borderlands base is boring though” that sounds like making excuses for Valve. Like I said, I’m not waiting nearly a year to play a big game that my friends are all excited for cause I want to game with them. It’s no different than if I was to wait nearly a year after the new Marvel movie came out and I missed watching it in theaters with friends.

I’m getting Stadia because I have Steam and I’d like to try something else and I don’t want to get a console either. I’ve explained my valid reasons for wanting Stadia and I’m getting it Day 1. Since Borderlands 3, Metro: Exodus, and many other games that Epic has taken as timed exclusives are there on Stadia, I’ll just get them on Stadia. I’m not supporting a company nearly a year later by giving them my money for “leftovers” when it comes to games.

And that is where the term "addict" falls into play. Listen to yourself. "I have to because all my friends are going to be playing it".