Epic is starting to worry me

[Quadsword]

Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.

[Paratech2008]

People openly post about Humble, GOG, Uplay giveaways, they have for years. How would Valve suddenly change policy and not be criticized for that?

Another point is most of the Batman games are old and anyone who was going to purchase them has at this point. Very few people would refuse free games although I've turned down some free games.

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The nameless Commander の投稿を引用：

gunsmoke999 の投稿を引用：

why dont steam do this ?

game give a ways like this what epic do ?

https://heavy.com/games/2019/09/batman-games-free-epic-games-store/

Why does Steam tolerate this kind of blatant advertising of a competing store?

Because is not exactly advertising:
it works as indirect advertising when someone creates a link to the article; the question made by gunsmoke99 is still a valid one, but the answer is simple: steam is only a store, and the few games they own (as valve) arent as popular to offer all of them for free, and even if they did they wouldnt win anything back. They are great, but they havent made new games for their biggest franchises: Half life 3 is still a joke, just like Portal 3.

in order for valve to win something using a similar promotion, they would need to make a big business deal with some devs and publishers for the small chance of attracting non-steam users as new consumers (and willing to spend in dlc or new titles after getting some for free; ie the games could be free, but the dlc shouldnt). Anyway, since steam is usually offering huge discounts for many games, and always has some promotions, offering a few games for free wouldnt make a big impact to increase sales.

If valve, for example, made a deal with square-enix to offer the last dragon quest for free, or ff12, or another big title, a lot of new and old steam gamers would like to get the promotion, but the cost for valve would be bigger than whatever they could win back. If valve made a similar deal with smaller indie devs, but with good quality games (lets say shovel knight, a hat in time, and others with "very positive" or "overwhelmingly positive" levels), they still would need to figure a way to make it the biggest viral event ever, and adding valve related assets (special items or hidden levels, etc to those games) so it could help steam as a low cost global advertising campaign to "steal people" away from epic.

[Tito Shivan]

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

Nvidia and AMD should do exclusives too, games who only run with certain Gpu's.

I don't see any GPU manufacturer nowadays trying to walk again the steps 3DFX walked many years ago... They all know where that road ends.

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

The good Indies will have a future in Epic when Epic gets themselves fully ramped up and start taking submissions.

I'll believe it when I see it. It's going to be the real testing grounds for Epic's 'Curation' and what they understand for 'Good Indies'

[The nameless Gamer]

@R+5 の投稿を引用：

The nameless Commander の投稿を引用：

Why does Steam tolerate this kind of blatant advertising of a competing store?

Because is not exactly advertising:
it works as indirect advertising when someone creates a link to the article; the question made by gunsmoke99 is still a valid one, but the answer is simple: steam is only a store, and the few games they own (as valve) arent as popular to offer all of them for free, and even if they did they wouldnt win anything back. They are great, but they havent made new games for their biggest franchises: Half life 3 is still a joke, just like Portal 3.

in order for valve to win something using a similar promotion, they wouldnt need to make a big business deal with some devs and publishers for the small chance of attracting non-steam users as new consumers (and willing to spend in dlc or new titles after getting some for free; ie the games could be free, but the dlc shouldnt). Anyway, since steam is usually offering huge discounts for many games, and always has some promotions, offering a few games for free wouldnt make a big impact to increase sales.

If valve, for example, made a deal with square-enix to offer the last dragon quest for free, or ff12, or another big title, a lot of new and old steam gamers would like to get the promotion, but the cost for valve would be bigger than whatever they could win back. If valve made a similar deal with smaller indie devs, but with good quality games (lets say shovel knight, a hat in time, and others with "very positive" or "overwhelmingly positive" levels), they still would need to figure a way to make it the biggest viral event ever, and adding valve related assets (special items or hidden levels, etc to those games) so it could help steam as a low cost global advertising campaign to "steal people" away from epic.

The more you know. Thank you for the reply.

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gunsmoke999 の投稿を引用：

The nameless Commander の投稿を引用：

Why does Steam tolerate this kind of blatant advertising of a competing store?

why is steam letting people post about epic games in steam chat ? ask them btw i,m not a god bam admin ask him her there rules book not mine BTW this is epic games chat op

Your question becomes ironic each time you include the link to the article like that. you could talk about the promotion without linking to the article. And censoring what people write imo is worse if theres nothing about doing illegal activities in or through steam.

[76561198309775828]

none caare .d

[Leravi The Hyena:33]

anyone else use epic for all the monthely free games?

Im curious

[VaiTaPro]

Metro 2033 Redux will be the next ''free'' game, it seems that Deep.G Silver love epic money.

[Faedrill]

No

[Daxank]

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

Metro 2033 Redux will be the next ''free'' game, it seems that Deep.G Silver love epic money.

Maybe more people will buy Exodus if we give them the prequels... but wait... I though Exodus sold well

[Black Stallion]

I'm very fascinated by the responses in this post. It actually reminds me of when Origin came out. It seems that everyone needs to have a 'Bad guy' and it looks like Epic Games has become the new villain to Valve.

My honest opinion is that the market is doing what it normally does. All of the things that are happening are completely normal. If anything I would say I think the Epic Store's desire for competition is a good thing. If someone wants to buy a game through them, that's their business. All this talk of Disney and Tancent and chine, etc. is really just more about discussing controversy versus what's reality truly is. You have one company that desires to get a piece of the pie in PC Gaming and if anything, it makes me glad to know that PC gaming has been recognized again as a legitimate place for business (as long as it's not predatory) to compete for our dollars.

We have to be honest here. Valve has gone unchallenged in the PC market for quite some time. The closest anyone has ever gotten has been GOG, though not much and a much lesser extent, Origin Games. Both of those stores still haven't come close to competing with Steam.

Now before you go an claim that I want steam to fail, you're missing the point. I've been a Valve/steam user since the beginning and I actually still love the company as much now as I did in the past(even without HL3). But one thing that has bothered me a bit is that Valve has been the dragon on PC's for a long time and haven't really needed to compete with anyone but themselves. Now, I'll even say that they've done an alright job at keeping relevant but we need to be honest here. The competition between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft has been pushed gaming pretty far. I don't own a switch or anything but even I recognize that if Nintendo didn't have competition they wouldn't have been pushed to try and be different and you got the wii and switch as a result, which are legit and interesting innovations.

I'm not here to say that Valve is stale and that Epic Games is the answer but what I am saying is a need to have a villain is a bit much. Epic is just another company like Valve is, and if they manage to break into the market in a signifigant way then that means they found a way to meet the needs of the PC audience and that Valve will need to change up their strategy to keep up or not.

I recently got Borderlands 3 through the Epic Store and I have to say they have a long way to go before they actually stand a chance to compete, even with their exclusives they don't have much going for them in their app and store front that would make me want to use it beyond a simple launcher. A simple point is that we are all using the steam app to write in this forum, clearly they have a long way to go before they get to this level. We'll have to see what they actually do. I have a feeling it'll just be like Origin, they'll make some waves for a bit but unless they truly dedicate manpower and resources to cultivating a community like Valve has, I don't think there really is much to worry or be concerned about.

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gunsmoke999 の投稿を引用：

So your teling me what can and cant post well buy now admins most read all this bla bla i,m read Flaging up on my screen like say there rules my point is this is chatting about steam vs epic op.

End rant

Im telling you what you can or cant write, if you want to make sense in relation to what you write.

[Erebus]

I really tire of the "GOG barely managed to come remotely close to Steam" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. GOG has been fighting against the publishers for wares to even sell. They've made some damn good strides due to their service, but there is only so much that can be done with publishers and devs both treat it with contempt. Update parity is even hit or miss there among the indies. No ♥♥♥♥ people haven't used it on the same level as Steam when the publishers and devs are both ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Only now they clamor for "competition" because of Epic's cash warchest... not for any other reason. Because they will inevitably go back to being LAZY ♥♥♥♥♥ soon enough with only one build being support or one store being supported... because the rest is "work" and if someone isn't throwing sacks of cash for it they don't want to do it.

[@R+5]

Black Stallion の投稿を引用：

It seems that everyone needs to have a 'Bad guy' and it looks like Epic Games has become the new villain to Valve.

Valve has negative aspects too with steam (for example, they still havent found a way to backup installation files from games easily, so they can be installed without going online; steam also works as a "drm gate" which for gamers isnt a good thing).

But, imo, epic has become a "villain" not because of this "valve vs epic, vs gog, vs etc" but because of their relation to tencent and their tactics (similar to how origin tried to win more).

Its not "just another company like Valve": its a different business model, and therefore different possibilities for consumers, indie devs, ideas, and so on. Thats the real issue: if people learn to reject drm, demand more control over the products they pay, or if they will blindly allow big businesses to take everything they can and limit what people can and cant do.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

GuRu Asaki の投稿を引用：

Maybe, you could be right...

However, Google's Stadia sounds pretty powerful for a new Platform,
enough to make Microsoft & Sony worried...
Seems Next Gen, possibly even by 2020, or some time after, we might see a
bunch of new Gaming Platforms, o_@

I'm just going to nip this one in the bud here. Have you heard of Shinra Technologies Streaming service? What about Onlive streaming service and the $100 Ouya microconsole? Cloud gaming has been here for over a decade, but gamers aren't interested it.

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

The nameless Commander の投稿を引用：

Epic's goal is to push Steam off the leading place on the market and take it themselves. Their next step is running smaller retailers like GOG and Itch out of business. Until nobody but them is left to play taste police and go back on every promise they made for the betterment of PC gaming. If they accomplish that, they can up the cut to 40% and basically rampage on the market without anybody to stop them. Their actions so far have been nothing but detrimental to the customer. And if Epic takes over Steam's leading position, they'll likely drop that flimsy "pro-dev" act.

That isn't Epics goals at all.

It's not about changing that industry standard of 30%. If it was, they'd keep the games launching on PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and Switch until the exclusivity period is up or they match their 12% deal.

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

Umm what? It takes time to do things needed, nothing is ever magically done in an instant. What they can't do currently have nothing to do with the 12% cut and everything to do with Time.

They had plenty of time while it was the Fartnite launcher to get it ready when they started selling games. If anything, their issue is instead of putting some of their staff towards making a great client/store, they focused too much of their resources on Fartnite Crunch.