Epic is starting to worry me

[Quadsword]

Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.

[Xaelath]

1stCheater の投稿を引用：

EGS makes offers to players to attract and interest them
While Valve's politics is "buy it or(and) GTFO"

Valve even didn't invest money or anything else to improve their own game client for users who play games (not sellers, twitchers etc)

Since when EGS makes offers to player aside from free games?
Free games will burried over thousands of games once you had over like 100+ games in your library. This free games only apply to people who barely purchase a game.

Epic mainly attract Developer or Publisher and never been a Customers, I mean look at their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ store.

Didn't even invest money or improve their game client?

Okay.
You're just retarded and I won't pull this words because you're obviously just playing dumb or flame baiting.

[Wiawyr]

wbino の投稿を引用：

Wiawyr の投稿を引用：

This person is not a "gamer", he is a "long time Steam customer who joined Epic", even though EGS and Steam are not mutually exclusive to have installed.

These posts are so painfully transparent, did you not have anyone competent write out your scripts?

I’m not a gamer...
Your Steam level is 0.
And your profile is private.
J.o.😒

In other news, water is wet, the sky is blue, and private profiles always show level 0. But hey, "long time Steam customer" who doesn't know basic details about Steam, you've totally convinced me to join a storefront that doesn't benefit me and actively harms the industry. Good job!

[McGillicutti]

GunsForBucks の投稿を引用：

McGillicutti の投稿を引用：

Well I am seeing the Walmart boycott. Gas is another matter because many can't afford non-gas means to get to work, especially when you factor in the replacement cost of batteries 5 years from now.

People forgetting when the information age didn't exist, and we couldn't speak to someone else we don't know so easily, to carry on a conversation that may have cost $3, even $10 a minute at one point in time, if there was any sort of telephone access, has changed this. But to get into that without addressing the point of this forum and this post in it, is, therefore, beyond discussion here.

So I'll do my best to respectfully review.

Epic isn't the conclusion of something, it is the beginning in gaming as an industry, and it is the routine for those who've been carrying out the larger scale view of this for decades.

Forgetting generally occurs when it's a general necessity (we need an aspect of oil for the silicon in the devices we're using, as an example) or, as I am pointing out isn't the case with Epic, a final closing note.

The future is citing Epic to fight back on something else if it prevails or fails, to use it as the guide for how to beat a future effort, or to learn from our mistakes.

You may well carry a cynicism that serves you well. I have and do abandon it when it appears a more sober view is in order. Those who don't value their rights would naturally not value their rights as consumers and I expect no more of them than to be who they are, and do expect the same due respect in return. I'll continue doing what I do and explaining what I can knowing that without it, cynicism becomes the default and the pattern, the path it'll all go down that you explained will be far more certain.

When I stand back and look at this thread, and all the people who I've learned from, and so greatly appreciate what they put forward, I see the light of opportunity to step up and out of the muck and mire of assumption and certainties, of the limits all too often kept, to know that some sober and thoughtful interjection is warranted, and that I am amongst a group of people like-minded upon one view but Individual to a fault, and that we're standing, therefore, for the best of something against a promoter, Epic, of the worst of this situation, and my cynicism would be handing them the win. I just can't do that for then Epic would be the story of prevailing and our learning from the failure, instead of the story of our success against Epic Oppression and how to repeat it, that finally taking a stand begins by not letting the past dictate the future out of cynicism, be it as the 100th monkey or just out of the shear knowledge there's many of us, that we are everywhere, and we finally know that.

The cries of Lowes and Home Depot killing the hardware stores are getting quieter.

Even the noble that speak out against wal marks will say "I don't like them but they are the only place to get ...." the few that actually do vote with their wallets don't hurt them at all.

Some of the most outspoken people I know against them, when they visit the USA would go "lets go to walmart, I need X and it is so expensive overseas." It's mind boggling when the same people are willing to buy organic in fancy shops and spend $500 USD on a single paper bag of groceries.

I believe your motives are noble, I too have done my fair share of "fighting the good fight" <and it wasn't about a game or the game industry>.. I see your passion and just wish to add a word of caution. Don't expect too much from people.
Epic isn't evil, it is just another corporate machine wanting money. They may be doing things badly but that just makes them stupid and lazy. They are doing other things that if done a certain way, and work out, could make them at least an equal to Steam/Valve as an advertising platform.

If EGS does work out as a store I get the impression they are aiming for a all ages / teen / family demographic for the most part. I think Valve will be fine as they seem to have a wider variety of games they choose to carry.

We strongly disagree and the latter portion of your post demonstrates no idea about my passion.

Underestimating people is how the grand surprises that have changed society, to where corporations aren't merely a vehicle for noble houses under a crown but for all of us and can be reached through investments of many sizes, mutual funds to pension plans, and the big bad rich people narrative of corporate wealth is a flight of fancy to give excuse to give up and hate. I can't and won't go blaming some generic nebulous idea when it is the genuine actions of a company that demonstrate who it is, expose it for all to see. and Epic has carried on evil as a personalty and not as a corporate body, and that will not mete out to achieve the justice it should against those making such decisions by genericizing and cynicizing against that generic, nor by lack of faith in people, especially if you take time to discuss it and they want to know.

Self-interest and its many ways its been mis-taught and misappropriated, presented as though unable to be tempered by anything, is part and parcel to what leads to the generics and the hate therefrom, a coding of people, and that will get us spinning our wheels, but never achieve the results necessary for the specifics of our own rights and Freedoms from the likes of Epic.

It should have taken place long ago. So what? Nostalgia and regret will do us no favors either.

"Get busy livin or get busy dyin" a movie phrase that engenders the need to accept the responsibility and take it directly to the exact foe to achieve the objective. Anything else is renting space to others ideas to assure you know how to give up long before any chance of succeeding, undermining any ability to recognize and appreciate others, to guarantee willingness to let go if the ledge is all you have to hang on to. I will not walk that path.

Epic is responsible for their actions. Not corporations in general. Not greed in general (for a greedy company doens't make the mistakes Epic has). And it certainly isn't Steam's fault for what Epic does.

You carry on with what works for you, as I said before. I'll stick with exactly who I am and carry on as I know is right for principle comes long before self-doubt, and especially when hurled from the body drowning in a pool of it but wearing the mask of cynicism, claiming its specious existence as a form or rationale, while hoping no one sees the wet footprints on the ground of the real culprits of weakness, self-doubt, and cowardice.

Have a great day :)

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

1stCheater の投稿を引用：

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

Pretty sure this is issue related to Denuvo, also was reading how the Epic client was an issue to even run the game, which you have to exit out of Epic client, to even play the game, and might be that Epic client conflicting with Denuvo, but I'm not sure, and only a guess on this.

I've played Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls on Epic without any problems. Both have Denuvo

I assume it's the latest version of Denuvo, because I seen them make bad DRMs that can cause game issues, but this would be the 1st one I seen that cause by Client issue.

[McGillicutti]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

1stCheater の投稿を引用：

I've played Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls on Epic without any problems. Both have Denuvo

I assume it's the latest version of Denuvo, because I seen them make bad DRMs that can cause game issues, but this would be the 1st one I seen that cause by Client issue.

But Sweeney's the greatest coder of all time! I mean, that's why Sweeney invented DRM and never quit PC gaming over piracy (*sarcasm galore*).

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

McGillicutti の投稿を引用：

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

I assume it's the latest version of Denuvo, because I seen them make bad DRMs that can cause game issues, but this would be the 1st one I seen that cause by Client issue.

But Sweeney's the greatest coder of all time! I mean, that's why Sweeney invented DRM and never quit PC gaming over piracy (*sarcasm galore*).

Yea he can keep his sock in his mouth, because what he believes, then suddenly want to do 180 on what he thought that PC was dead, only bite him back, even Ubisoft for claiming PC was a pirate platform saying everyone just gonna pirate their games anyways, but clearly end up being wrong, and even brag about something that clearly like putting their own foot in their mouth.

[GunsForBucks]

McGillicutti の投稿を引用：

GunsForBucks の投稿を引用：

The cries of Lowes and Home Depot killing the hardware stores are getting quieter.

Even the noble that speak out against wal marks will say "I don't like them but they are the only place to get ...." the few that actually do vote with their wallets don't hurt them at all.

Some of the most outspoken people I know against them, when they visit the USA would go "lets go to walmart, I need X and it is so expensive overseas." It's mind boggling when the same people are willing to buy organic in fancy shops and spend $500 USD on a single paper bag of groceries.

I believe your motives are noble, I too have done my fair share of "fighting the good fight" <and it wasn't about a game or the game industry>.. I see your passion and just wish to add a word of caution. Don't expect too much from people.
Epic isn't evil, it is just another corporate machine wanting money. They may be doing things badly but that just makes them stupid and lazy. They are doing other things that if done a certain way, and work out, could make them at least an equal to Steam/Valve as an advertising platform.

If EGS does work out as a store I get the impression they are aiming for a all ages / teen / family demographic for the most part. I think Valve will be fine as they seem to have a wider variety of games they choose to carry.

We strongly disagree and the latter portion of your post demonstrates no idea about my passion.

Underestimating people is how the grand surprises that have changed society, to where corporations aren't merely a vehicle for noble houses under a crown but for all of us and can be reached through investments of many sizes, mutual funds to pension plans, and the big bad rich people narrative of corporate wealth is a flight of fancy to give excuse to give up and hate. I can't and won't go blaming some generic nebulous idea when it is the genuine actions of a company that demonstrate who it is, expose it for all to see. and Epic has carried on evil as a personalty and not as a corporate body, and that will not mete out to achieve the justice it should against those making such decisions by genericizing and cynicizing against that generic, nor by lack of faith in people, especially if you take time to discuss it and they want to know.

Self-interest and its many ways its been mis-taught and misappropriated, presented as though unable to be tempered by anything, is part and parcel to what leads to the generics and the hate therefrom, a coding of people, and that will get us spinning our wheels, but never achieve the results necessary for the specifics of our own rights and Freedoms from the likes of Epic.

It should have taken place long ago. So what? Nostalgia and regret will do us no favors either.

"Get busy livin or get busy dyin" a movie phrase that engenders the need to accept the responsibility and take it directly to the exact foe to achieve the objective. Anything else is renting space to others ideas to assure you know how to give up long before any chance of succeeding, undermining any ability to recognize and appreciate others, to guarantee willingness to let go if the ledge is all you have to hang on to. I will not walk that path.

Epic is responsible for their actions. Not corporations in general. Not greed in general (for a greedy company doens't make the mistakes Epic has). And it certainly isn't Steam's fault for what Epic does.

You carry on with what works for you, as I said before. I'll stick with exactly who I am and carry on as I know is right for principle comes long before self-doubt, and especially when hurled from the body drowning in a pool of it but wearing the mask of cynicism, claiming its specious existence as a form or rationale, while hoping no one sees the wet footprints on the ground of the real culprits of weakness, self-doubt, and cowardice.

Have a great day :)

Well I was just trying to offer some friendly advice... but if all you end up doing is to infer I am a weak coward full of self doubt I guess I am out.

In my opinion, a weak coward would not bother to post their opinion on the matter or offer advice to begin with. Your walls of repetitive text are enough to make even the most stalwart of forum regulars skip over paragraphs.

[Erebus]

GunsForBucks の投稿を引用：

In my opinion, a weak coward would not bother to post their opinion on the matter or offer advice to begin with.

Talk is cheap. Just saying.

[McGillicutti]

Anyone worried about walls of text has a predisposition to tell others how they should express themselves. I've made no similar demands of anyone else, but to request information when what was said didn't convey enough to ascertain what is meant.

To criticize repetition after warning not to put too much faith in people because they forget, is to say that repetition to remind people who may forget not to forget, is also a bad idea.

These demonstrate an organized acceptance of defeat, a personal mental organization nothing of some group and it also suggests self doubt, weakness, and cowardice.

When I see this in large part from Sweeney, Epic and surrogates therefrom I'll know we've won. It's about us winning as customers, as consumers, and as Gamers.

[VaiTaPro]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

McGillicutti の投稿を引用：

In the end it is Epic who decided to exclude every other retailer and took on the job of facilitating the launching of every program they have bribed to have exclusivity for to launch seamlessly.

Epic knew or should have known that issues like this have occurred in the past and have planned and organized their specious competition by exclusivity to not feature this particular negative in the highly anticipated release of a well known game franchise title.

Thus again, Epic earns the not-so-prestigious #EpicFail hashtag award for poor consideration of themselves, their customers, the Publishers, and Developers, and everyone who could have helped them make this better that "Put that 12% in my pocket for nothing" Cheapo Tim Sweeney didn't do and didn't afford to assure wasn't a problem in the first place.

Well they still haven't managed to top the earlier fail of the Metro DLC working on steam while those buying it on Epic had to wait for multiple fixes.

Tell me more about the Metro dlc fail, i own Metro on Steam but i still didn't buy the dlc (i'm waiting for it to go down to atleast 0.99€, really can't support those pubs.).

[Count_Dandyman]

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

Well they still haven't managed to top the earlier fail of the Metro DLC working on steam while those buying it on Epic had to wait for multiple fixes.

Tell me more about the Metro dlc fail, i own Metro on Steam but i still didn't buy the dlc (i'm waiting for it to go down to atleast 0.99€, really can't support those pubs.).

There isn't much more to tell it was supposed to have been available at the same time on both platforms but the Epic version ended up not working for a few days and it was rather funny watching the official twitter feeds posting how they have fixed it and got it working this time every few hours.

[VaiTaPro]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

Tell me more about the Metro dlc fail, i own Metro on Steam but i still didn't buy the dlc (i'm waiting for it to go down to atleast 0.99€, really can't support those pubs.).

There isn't much more to tell it was supposed to have been available at the same time on both platforms but the Epic version ended up not working for a few days and it was rather funny watching the official twitter feeds posting how they have fixed it and got it working this time every few hours.

So Steam had the exclusivity on the dlc before epic? LOL (maybe Steam bribed Deep Silver for the couple of days exclusivity).

I would have bought the dlc day 1 full price without any problem but epic paid for it so now i have to wait for a low LOW price and i regret so much to have bought the pre-order it makes me sick.

[Start_Running]

McGillicutti の投稿を引用：

Anyone worried about walls of text has a predisposition to tell others how they should express themselves. I've made no similar demands of anyone else, but to request information when what was said didn't convey enough to ascertain what is meant.

To criticize repetition after warning not to put too much faith in people because they forget, is to say that repetition to remind people who may forget not to forget, is also a bad idea.

These demonstrate an organized acceptance of defeat, a personal mental organization nothing of some group and it also suggests self doubt, weakness, and cowardice.

When I see this in large part from Sweeney, Epic and surrogates therefrom I'll know we've won. It's about us winning as customers, as consumers, and as Gamers.

I didn't know we were fighting for anything. As a gamer I go where the games I want are being sold. As a customer I spend money on stuff that is convenient, affordable and that looks to provide a measure of entertainment worthy of the asking price..

Never underestimate the power of apathy.

[Satoru]

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

There isn't much more to tell it was supposed to have been available at the same time on both platforms but the Epic version ended up not working for a few days and it was rather funny watching the official twitter feeds posting how they have fixed it and got it working this time every few hours.

So Steam had the exclusivity on the dlc before epic? LOL (maybe Steam bribed Deep Silver for the couple of days exclusivity).

I would have bought the dlc day 1 full price without any problem but epic paid for it so now i have to wait for a low LOW price and i regret so much to have bought the pre-order it makes me sick.

Uh that's not what he said. He said the DLC on Epic was broken for a few days. That is not the same as 'steam had exclucvity'

[VaiTaPro]

Satoru の投稿を引用：

VaiTaPro の投稿を引用：

So Steam had the exclusivity on the dlc before epic? LOL (maybe Steam bribed Deep Silver for the couple of days exclusivity).

I would have bought the dlc day 1 full price without any problem but epic paid for it so now i have to wait for a low LOW price and i regret so much to have bought the pre-order it makes me sick.

Uh that's not what he said. He said the DLC on Epic was broken for a few days. That is not the same as 'steam had exclucvity'

I know i was joking, well the joke is on epic (once again).