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Epic is starting to worry me
Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.
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The biggest problem with Epic is that their whole strategy hinges upon gamers being sheep. And what's worse, a lot of times they're right.

Most gamers don't do the research to discover just how crap the Epic Games Store really is. Most don't do the research to find out who it's really backed by. Most buy Epic's line that their store is 'the only real competition for Steam' when the only competition it provides is via backroom exclusivity deals and being bankrolled by one of the largest corporations in China. Most don't realize that if Epic wins the digital storefront war, we'll just be trading one near-monopoly for another that's arguably even worse.

Now you can try to disqualify these customers as 'not real gamers' or 'sheeple' or whatever label you want to use to separate them from you. I don't really care. Guess who else doesn't really care? Tencent and Epic Games. Those people you disqualify as gamers? They'll happily accept them as customers, and their money's just as good as yours when it comes to handing Epic their victory. What's worse, there's more of them than you.

So long as there's enough sheep among their customer base that they can grab exclusivity deals and be certain that gaming customers will follow the games no matter how bad the deal is for them long term, their strategy will work. They have the bankroll, they can afford to hemorrhage profits just as long as it takes to bleed Valve dry. Hell, they can even buy PR - lest we forget, Epic Games recently announced that they'll foot the bill for refunds for Shenmue 3 backers after the game went Epic-exclusive[www.polygon.com]. They literally bought the debts of the devs and publisher of Shenmue 3 that way, after they went Epic-exclusive and pulled the game from Steam, despite promising Steam distribution in their Kickstarter.

So the OP's question as to why Valve isn't really doing anything about Epic is a valid one. Epic's not got a good storefront, and has no real interest in making their storefront good, but they've got enough bank and advertising behind them that it really doesn't matter. So long as gaming customers don't shun the games that Epic buys exclusivity deals for, they can literally buy a market for their crap where it wouldn't normally exist.
Messaggio originale di R Nerva:
The biggest problem with Epic is that their whole strategy hinges upon gamers being sheep. And what's worse, a lot of times they're right.

Most gamers don't do the research to discover just how crap the Epic Games Store really is. Most don't do the research to find out who it's really backed by. Most buy Epic's line that their store is 'the only real competition for Steam' when the only competition it provides is via backroom exclusivity deals and being bankrolled by one of the largest corporations in China. Most don't realize that if Epic wins the digital storefront war, we'll just be trading one near-monopoly for another that's arguably even worse.

Now you can try to disqualify these customers as 'not real gamers' or 'sheeple' or whatever label you want to use to separate them from you. I don't really care. Guess who else doesn't really care? Tencent and Epic Games. Those people you disqualify as gamers? They'll happily accept them as customers, and their money's just as good as yours when it comes to handing Epic their victory. What's worse, there's more of them than you.

So long as there's enough sheep among their customer base that they can grab exclusivity deals and be certain that gaming customers will follow the games no matter how bad the deal is for them long term, their strategy will work. They have the bankroll, they can afford to hemorrhage profits just as long as it takes to bleed Valve dry. Hell, they can even buy PR - lest we forget, Epic Games recently announced that they'll foot the bill for refunds for Shenmue 3 backers after the game went Epic-exclusive[www.polygon.com]. They literally bought the debts of the devs and publisher of Shenmue 3 that way, after they went Epic-exclusive and pulled the game from Steam, despite promising Steam distribution in their Kickstarter.

So the OP's question as to why Valve isn't really doing anything about Epic is a valid one. Epic's not got a good storefront, and has no real interest in making their storefront good, but they've got enough bank and advertising behind them that it really doesn't matter. So long as gaming customers don't shun the games that Epic buys exclusivity deals for, they can literally buy a market for their crap where it wouldn't normally exist.
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I actually like that they're giving refunds for Shenmue, when it was first yanked from steam, the official response was "tough s###, no refund for you".
Messaggio originale di R Nerva:
Most gamers don't do the research to discover just how crap the Epic Games Store really is. Most don't do the research to find out who it's really backed by.

Actually, most gamers are in it for the games, so they buy them wherever they're cheapest/most convenient.
Messaggio originale di Quadsword:
Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.

I thought epic posting was banned because it leads to trolling and flaming, if so (and many of my threads were deleted because of it) delete this one.
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Messaggio originale di 8ullfrog:
tencent got 40% of epic for 300 million. Fortnite made that in one month (May 2018)

I'd say they got a pretty good return on investment.

Essentially, epic can afford these money pissing adventures because fornite is a license to print money.

I do wonder how epic plans to handle the eventual tulip crash.

The one thing folks always forget is you do not want to be Sweeney when Epic eventually bleeds out cash and doesn't return that investment to Tencent. Tencent is a state controlled entity no matter what they say to the public or what EGS says. Only have to research the CEO to figure that out. But for Epic being backed by Disney from earlier poster.
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/epic-games-selected-to-join-disneys-accelerator-program

The bad part is that Tencent knows it has a consumer trust issue outside of China and knows Epic isn't that well liked outside of Fortnight. But they are willing to bet on greed to buy out over morals and ethics. The smart move they make is not buying out the consumer but buying out what the consumer wants. Most people have a price when you actually flop the money in front of them. But it is cheaper to buy out the producer imo.

Epic has already returned on that investment many times over since 2012 when Tencent made that investment. Now Tencent is just enjoying pure profit.

With that being said, you guys act like Tencent is in control of Epic, like Epic is some kind of subsidiary of Tencent. But in reality, Tencent is nothing more than a minority investor who doesn't have any real power with in the company at all, Tim Sweeney does, and at this point and for a long while Tencent is just enjoying the profits from their investment. Tencent doesn't even have their people on Epic's board of directors anymore, the board of directors are all American and one from Iceland now.

Tencent doesn't even have anything to do with the Epic store at all, what you are seeing with the Epic store is Tim Sweeney's own idea and his own "child".
Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:
Messaggio originale di R Nerva:
Most gamers don't do the research to discover just how crap the Epic Games Store really is. Most don't do the research to find out who it's really backed by.

Actually, most gamers are in it for the games, so they buy them wherever they're cheapest/most convenient.

That is something that cannot be stated enough. When it comes down to it, most gamers are just gamers, the stores really don't matter, the store features really don't matter to them, the only thing that really matters to them is buying the games they want to play because the game looks fun to play. That isn't being sheep, that is just being a consumer that enjoys an entertainment product and not getting into the petty drama that some gamers get into.
Yup, this thread is going exactly like every other nuked version. Duck and cover.
Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:
Actually, most gamers are in it for the games, so they buy them wherever they're cheapest/most convenient.
Which is exactly my point. This stuff isn't a concern for most gamers, when really, if they want to ensure that they're getting games for good prices going forward, they should be concerned about it. They're just following the games and being led by the nose, without realizing where that's taking them. If you want to ensure ethics in advertisement, merchandising and marketing, you've gotta vote with your wallet, and right now, the wallets of the average gamers are telling Epic Games that what they're doing is totally fine.

Messaggio originale di Eisberg:
With that being said, you guys act like Tencent is in control of Epic, like Epic is some kind of subsidiary of Tencent. But in reality, Tencent is nothing more than a minority investor who doesn't have any real power with in the company at all.
I don't buy that, not for a moment. On paper, sure - Tencent's a 'minority invester' (in as far as they owned 48% of the company in 2013). Even now, according to Crunchbase.com, Tencent is still one of Epic's three lead investors[www.crunchbase.com].

Just because they don't have any people sitting on the BoD of the company doesn't mean they don't have their fingers in its pies. Tencent was a big part of Epic's record-breaking $1.25 billion USD funding round[www.businessinsider.com] in Q4 of last year, so rest assured, Tencent's interest in, and influence over, Epic Games is quite alive and well. It might not be as all-consuming as it was six years ago, but it's still quite present.
Epic shills want their store to be relevant, so they want this kind of posting.

That's why they should be deleted.
Their initial investment gave them two board seats.
Messaggio originale di R Nerva:
I don't buy that, not for a moment. On paper, sure - Tencent's a 'minority invester' (in as far as they owned 48% of the company in 2013). Even now, according to Crunchbase.com, Tencent is still one of Epic's three lead investors[www.crunchbase.com].

Just because they don't have any people sitting on the BoD of the company doesn't mean they don't have their fingers in its pies. Tencent was a big part of Epic's record-breaking $1.25 billion USD funding round[www.businessinsider.com] in Q4 of last year, so rest assured, Tencent's interest in, and influence over, Epic Games is quite alive and well. It might not be as all-consuming as it was six years ago, but it's still quite present.

First of all it is 40%, might be less now though, that they own, not 48%. In 2012 they bought 48% of the outstanding shares, but the outstanding shares were not 100% of the shares, so 48% of the outstanding shares equaled to 40% total.

Second of all, Tencent had nothing to do with the 1.25 Billion last year, the 1.25 Billion came from new investors, KKR, ICONIQ Capital, Smash Ventures, aXiomatic, Vulcan Capital, Kleiner Perkins, and Lightspeed Venture Partners, and not from Tencent. Tencent has not invested any more money into Epic since their $330 million back in 2012. Tencent's influence amounted to nothing more than giving suggestions/advice and then Tim Sweeney makes the decision.
Messaggio originale di 8ullfrog:
Their initial investment gave them two board seats.

Right, back in 2012, but apparently that has ended at some point cause now they have nobody from Tencent on the board of directors, now they are all American and one from Iceland.
Would be interesting microsoft adopts epics methods. The value in any internet service is the amount of people they can pull. Steam has a large established user base. Epic has fortnite players to grow from. Microsoft store is ♥♥♥♥♥, but has thep otential of reaching every windows user by default. Their biggest issue is a bad store and lack of content. Epic has shown that the former is okayish and the latter can be bought.
People keep mentioning Tencent as if they have a vested interest in Epic's store dominating, but that may not be the case.

They after all testing out their own global store platform (WeGame X) as well as being in a relationship with intel for a cloud based gaming service. I don't think they're interested in pumping x hundreds of millions into Epic's store given their own moves. Not that Epic needs their assistance to begin with all things considered.

Just as a side note, this isn't to say I think WeGame X will ever be successful. Quite the contrary. I think the West has such a distrust of the company that it will never be successful on the same scale as Valve. That being said though, they could possibly leverage LoL to facilitate traffic to the store. Really remains to be seen what their actual plans are on this front.
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