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Quadsword 2019 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:47
Epic is starting to worry me
Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.
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WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 5:33 
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
引用自 Eisberg

Moving goal posts? You were not talking about Shenmue 3 when you decided to bring up the thing I said about losing respect for Yong Yea.

I am not going to go through his videos he has done again. If I watched it and he stated something wrong, then I either commented on the video or told him through Twitter, as I already gave you an example of.
Well no because the video which you you put that response too was Yong's video about the Shenmue3 situation at the time, or should i say, stems from. So no. There is no goal post moving at all lol. Nice try though. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Well either it is a load of bs or it isn't. The very moment he started talking about Epic being bad.....you no longer like him. "NO ONE CAN SPEAK ILL OF EPIC FOR TIMMY HAS SPOKEN AND HIS WORD IS LAW!" Is the general gist of what you mean lol.

Then I gave my response to the stuff he said wrong in that Shenmue video of his.

It isn't about being negative towards Epic, have no problem with legitimate complaints against EGS, I do have a problem with complaints based on falsehoods, lies, taking things out of context, and twisting what was said.

If you are actually honest, I have no problem, being dishonest and I will call you out on it. Problem is, vast majority of the EGS haters are not honest people at all, and are consistant liars.
A Chewy Pickle 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:05 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
Well no because the video which you you put that response too was Yong's video about the Shenmue3 situation at the time, or should i say, stems from. So no. There is no goal post moving at all lol. Nice try though. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Well either it is a load of bs or it isn't. The very moment he started talking about Epic being bad.....you no longer like him. "NO ONE CAN SPEAK ILL OF EPIC FOR TIMMY HAS SPOKEN AND HIS WORD IS LAW!" Is the general gist of what you mean lol.

Then I gave my response to the stuff he said wrong in that Shenmue video of his.

It isn't about being negative towards Epic, have no problem with legitimate complaints against EGS, I do have a problem with complaints based on falsehoods, lies, taking things out of context, and twisting what was said.

If you are actually honest, I have no problem, being dishonest and I will call you out on it. Problem is, vast majority of the EGS haters are not honest people at all, and are consistant liars.
The links you put were to do with Valve moderation for "crappy games" and then about Metro....

It most certainly is about being negative towards Epic lol. Else you wouldn't be flying round where ever the word "Epic" is mentioned lol. Like some fanatic that won't hear a bad word said, so don't come that lol. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:
And as for those "liars" and people that take things out of context or twisting things. Most of these are people reading between the lines of what has been said. Or even seeing what hasn't been said from totally untrustworthy people.....like little Timmy. You have mixed that with lying or twisting things. Which is utter crap lol. As i said before. You seem to take things at face value which is why you say the things you do. And is why people often say that it's only true when it's come from Timmy's twitter feed. Also why i and others call your naive. To blindly trust a person on twitter..... i mean really!? But after all. You don't see him as talking crap do you? A lot of other people do and it's why people like Yongyea are seeing through th EPic bs PR. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Most of the people that dislike Epic are honest. If you don't take them as that, even when they prove themselves well, lol quite frankly.
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:09 
引用自 Frodo T Baggins

Most of the people that dislike Epic are honest. If you don't take them as that, even when they prove themselves well, lol quite frankly.

Wrong, big time massively wrong. Vast majority, and nearly everyone, not all, but nearly everyone here against EGS are dishonest and I have shown that time and time again.

And no, the reading between the lines and so forth is nothing more than you trying to justify the reason to be dishonest and spreading outright lies. There is no honesty and no integrity among the EGS haters.
最后由 WolfEisberg 编辑于; 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:09
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:14 
引用自 Eisberg
There is no honesty and no integrity among the EGS haters.
As opposed to you chicken litte, going around screaming about how horrible all the EGS haters are? Downplaying and ignoring all the valid reasons to dislike EGS as being "invalid".

Yeah you're a real pillar of something... but it ain't honesty.
最后由 Erebus 编辑于; 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:14
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:23 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg
There is no honesty and no integrity among the EGS haters.
As opposed to you chicken litte, going around screaming about how horrible all the EGS haters are? Downplaying and ignoring all the valid reasons to dislike EGS as being "invalid".

Yeah you're a real pillar of something... but it ain't honesty.

I don't ignore valid reasons, nor do I downplay valid reasons. The massive amount of lies from you people are not valid reason at all.

I am literally a pillar of honesty, and someone from the dishonest hate group stating otherwise proves it even more.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:27 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus
As opposed to you chicken litte, going around screaming about how horrible all the EGS haters are? Downplaying and ignoring all the valid reasons to dislike EGS as being "invalid".

Yeah you're a real pillar of something... but it ain't honesty.

I don't ignore valid reasons, nor do I downplay valid reasons. The massive amount of lies from you people are not valid reason at all.

I am literally a pillar of honesty, and someone from the dishonest hate group stating otherwise proves it even more.

Yep I'm just a rabid hater because Epic exists. I have no valid reasons at all. You totally don't ignore the posts every single time.

Oh wait...

引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

Well that is because a store is more important to you than the actual games are.
Reading fail much? I didn't say ERMERGER STEAM ONLY. I said pricing and services are important to me. If you'd stop being dishonest for one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second you'd see that one.

Epic offers me nothing I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ if the devs can't properly budget. I care about the price I'm paying out of MY POCKET and the quality of service I'm getting along with it.

I'm not going to go to any store, pay more for worse service and chalk it up as "well its better for the makers".

THEIR MISMANAGEMENT AND BUDGETS ARE NOT MY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PROBLEM.
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:30 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

I don't ignore valid reasons, nor do I downplay valid reasons. The massive amount of lies from you people are not valid reason at all.

I am literally a pillar of honesty, and someone from the dishonest hate group stating otherwise proves it even more.

Yep I'm just a rabid hater because Epic exists. I have no valid reasons at all. You totally don't ignore the posts every single time.

Oh wait...

引用自 Erebus
Reading fail much? I didn't say ERMERGER STEAM ONLY. I said pricing and services are important to me. If you'd stop being dishonest for one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second you'd see that one.

Epic offers me nothing I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ if the devs can't properly budget. I care about the price I'm paying out of MY POCKET and the quality of service I'm getting along with it.

I'm not going to go to any store, pay more for worse service and chalk it up as "well its better for the makers".

THEIR MISMANAGEMENT AND BUDGETS ARE NOT MY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PROBLEM.

Except for you don't limit yourself to just valid complaints against Epic, you also include a whole lot of dishonest crap as well over these months. Maybe your valid complaints would be taken more seriously if you didn't also didn't speak with lies.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:31 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus

Yep I'm just a rabid hater because Epic exists. I have no valid reasons at all. You totally don't ignore the posts every single time.

Oh wait...

Except for you don't limit yourself to just valid complaints against Epic, you also include a whole lot of dishonest crap as well over these months. Maybe your valid complaints would be taken more seriously if you didn't also didn't speak with lies.
Got any specific examples other than us definitely not seeing eye to eye on the value of PR statements?
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:33 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

Except for you don't limit yourself to just valid complaints against Epic, you also include a whole lot of dishonest crap as well over these months. Maybe your valid complaints would be taken more seriously if you didn't also didn't speak with lies.
Got any specific examples other than us definitely not seeing eye to eye on the value of PR statements?

Rather than digging up old stuff, how about we'll just wait, you'll see, I will call you out on it when you do it again.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:38 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus
Got any specific examples other than us definitely not seeing eye to eye on the value of PR statements?

Rather than digging up old stuff, how about we'll just wait, you'll see, I will call you out on it when you do it again.
zzzzzzz

So you're harping at me over stuff you can't even recall? I'm just dishonest because I dare question Lord Sweeney?
引用自 Eisberg
It isn't about being negative towards Epic, have no problem with legitimate complaints against EGS, I do have a problem with complaints based on falsehoods, lies, taking things out of context, and twisting what was said.
Okay. Can you go ahead and list some complaints you deem legitimate revolving around EGS?

引用自 Silky Rough
What I saw yesterday on the Epic store suggests a lot of people do not feel the same way you guys do.
A personal experience doesn't always reflect reality.

引用自 Silky Rough
A lot of developers and publishers do not feel the same way you guys do either. There's a reason for that, and it absolutely refutes what you actually think is happening here.
*conveniently ignores previously-shown list of devs, publishers and industry figures who are vehemently against Epic*

引用自 Silky Rough
However, you have every right to remain 100% loyal to Steam and you're welcome to it.
Several of us have other launchers besides Steam installed. And even putting that aside, I dare say none of us are 100% loyal to Steam and have criticised it in the past.

引用自 Silky Rough
What I want are quality games, at best price and I don't GAF who sells it, or where. As a result, today I shall play Anno 1800. My PC does not care. My credit card does not care. The game does not care.
You just want a launcher that allows you to buy games (one at a time since there's no shopping cart) and play them. No problem there, and more power to you.

引用自 Silky Rough
So let your principles, and whatever choices you make, replete with whatever limits and faux indignation you can muster, decide what you play today.

Which we all know you do, regardless of what you say you do. Put simply, I don't believe a word of it and nor do you. If you are honest. Cheerio.
You don't even know how your mind works and you have the gall to tell others what they really believe. Amazing.

引用自 Silky Rough
Cheerio.
And nothing of value was lost. Besides your crappy KFC and Burger King comparisons.

I guess EGS fans are only loyal to a point and when the going gets tough, the tough sure get going. I thought you'd at least stick around but it appears you don't have the bite of a red-back spider, much less an ant.
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 7:18 
引用自 -3xA'Lu©κy
引用自 Eisberg
It isn't about being negative towards Epic, have no problem with legitimate complaints against EGS, I do have a problem with complaints based on falsehoods, lies, taking things out of context, and twisting what was said.
Okay. Can you go ahead and list some complaints you deem legitimate revolving around EGS?

lack of features and transaction fees. And that is pretty much it.

Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 7:20 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 -3xA'Lu©κy
Okay. Can you go ahead and list some complaints you deem legitimate revolving around EGS?

lack of features and transaction fees. And that is pretty much it.
How about the fact crowdfunding is ever less trustworthy now?
Or the fact pricing has gotten worse for the people that know about stores other than just the ones embedded in clients?
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 7:24 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

lack of features and transaction fees. And that is pretty much it.
How about the fact crowdfunding is ever less trustworthy now?
Or the fact pricing has gotten worse for the people that know about stores other than just the ones embedded in clients?

Haven't seen any real evidence to support crowdfunding is any less trustworthy now, seen no real evidence to support what has happened has effected Crowdfunding in any way that matters.

There are always sales people can wait for if they don't like the current price. Besides a better economy that can lead to better games is always far more preferred than a cheaper price right away, imo as a PC gamer who cares more about the games themselves.
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 -3xA'Lu©κy
Okay. Can you go ahead and list some complaints you deem legitimate revolving around EGS?

lack of features and transaction fees. And that is pretty much it.

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