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Quadsword 2019 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:47
Epic is starting to worry me
Despite massive backlash from their practices, Epic hasn’t let up even slightly. They have financial backing from Disney and Tencent, two of the largest corporations in the world, and a massive cash flow from Fortnite and unreal engine, the former being the most popular game in the world and the latter being the most popular commercial game engine in the world.

I feel like no amount of consumer backlash will stop them getting the monopoly they obviously want. They can just keep throwing money around until they control the entire games industry. I miss the days before mega corporations entered this industry.
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McGillicutti 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:31 
引用自 Eisberg

I like how you are using a class action lawsuit that hasn't even gone to court at all to actually mean anything, do you generally believe guilty till proven innocent?

Also I can say what ever I want on these forums with in the bounds of the rules. You don't like what I am saying, then simply block me.

Actually, just like during the time when Steam was getting equally massive amount of hate, and I was on Steam's side, I am very happy to be on the side of supporting something that is going to make PC gaming better.
See you say that but by the looks of it you have no clue how class action lawsuits work they take time. It's already in the works.

As usual Eisberg doesn't understand you applied Epic's rules to themselves, case in point:.

Epic believes a user must do what they say just for Epic filing a lawsuit without any ruling or judgment at all, https://torrentfreak.com/cheating-fortnite-kid-keeps-on-cheating-epic-games-tells-court-190901/

Note the language in the first line from Epic's lawyers in the graphic in the article:

"Defendant did not stop is infringing behavior after being served with Epic's Complaint and retaining legal counsel."

Epic thinks filing a complaint is the same as a judgment by their own admission. So why isn't epic automatically kowtowing to those who've filed a complaint with Epic regarding their handling of one Epic Hacking Fiasco that took 2 months to fix, appears to have resulted in information from the hack ending up on the Dark Web, and that no customer was notified of when Epic had full knowledge during that 2 month period they haf no clue the extent of the hack's penetration? There was no reason to keep customers in the dark after, at maxium, 2 weeks without solving the issue that no one knows how bad it actually is. But the Answer to my query is simple: Epic has the "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude. Lyin Tim Sweeney's delusion that the rules Epic applies to everyone else don't apply to Elitist King Sweeney and the all encompassing (in his mind) Dominion of Epic games. When Epic dictates (according to Sweeney's endless back and forth diatribes) everyone else is supposed to yield, to fall on their face, while Epic who has a proven track record of wrong, is to be ignored for their wrongs, we're told by Sweeney we're to assume Epic's wrongs are all Steam's fault, are all Customer's fault, are all Publishers and Developer's fault, anyone but Epic, anyone but Lyin Tim Sweeney's fault and Epic's reply to the complaints made to Epic is exactly what this very teen is doing right back at Epic.

Just one more set of reasons not to patronize the Epic Lame Store of Delusional Elitist Arrogance and Baffoonery.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:33 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus
Nah he typically uses the word cut when referring to Epic. Likewise him and you clowns on the "omg sweeneyyyyyy ily" side sometimes count UE4's cut against Valve too "muh 35%".

There is more to dishonesty than straight up lying. Using colored/charged language, omitting details, downplaying, and more are all tools of the trade. The most effective dishonesty isn't something that's outright ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and legally punishable... no the most effective dishonesty is giving people just enough with skewed enough wording that they themselves start assuming and thinking things.

Doesn't change the fact that he called the 12% on Epic as a tax.
I have never seen anyone count UE4's royalty as part of Valve's cut.

Yet, you have not proven anything of dishonesty, rather you have to use twisting of what he said to make it mean something else.
I'm not going to break my back to appease you. Not you who will argue in favor of press releases claiming ♥♥♥♥ like Evolve was a "success". You who claimed Uplay didn't have a cart either and then buried the topic when you got called out for it.

Why on earth would I ever break my back for someone too inept to use a search function, find a cart, or take PR with a grain of salt? I might as well try to teach the quadratic formula to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock.

And you might not have seen it but I very much have. Spawned from that dumb cut comparison chart of Epic's.
A Chewy Pickle 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:37 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
And how is that a lie hmm? The best thing about all this is. Epic give people all the ammunition they could ever need against them. And Timmy holds your aim still on twitter.

I think it's more towards.... "the truth hurts"

Cause you using the word "anti-christ" and pretending Tim and myself have said that, is where the lie is at.

Steam becoming a dumpster fire for crappy games, does not make Steam the anti-christ, it means they made a terrible decision that is effecting actual good developers in a negative manner and it is something that Valve needs to fix.

Saying that Valve is charging too much for their service and the effects it has on the industry is talking about a bad decision by Valve.

Having some bad decisions does not make them the anti-christ, it makes them having some bad decisions that they should rethink and do better.
.......Really? This is how low you're operating at now? Well there goes my fun for the evening. :steamsad:

Saying that. I think that's why you're the way you are. You take everything at face value don't you? That's why you refuse to look past what your master is actually saying in his twitter escapades. This is why you call people liars and that they twist things. YOU see things as black and white, face value, nothing behind the scenes. Well, now we're getting somewhere. Very interesting reading in your post.

But back on topic. (cause we all know where that leads when you're involved don't we hmm? . :lunar2019piginablanket:)
"Crappy games" are a matter of opinion frankly. And as i said before. If you have trouble finding games on Steam. Then that is your problem. You should look harder. I as well as many many other who actually bother, find games as easy as you like. So an influx of "crappy games" has no baring on me being unable to find a game that might interest me.

The effect Valves charge has on the industry is what exactly? As i once saw someone say "It's amazing how indie devs made games before the Epic cash injections." Or words to that effect anyway. It truly is amazing. Selling on the biggest pc platform, just how did anyone survive the ordeal! Millions of miracles must have happened.
But as you seem to forget when you get flustered. People aren't saying that Valves cut is perfectly fine.... Understand this.

"Having some bad decisions does not make them the anti-christ" Tell that to your master ay? He'll listen to you. After all. People that dislike Epic are just simple haters, liars and very very toxic. People can't dislike things in this day an age right? :lunar2019crylaughingpig:
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:37 
Wait, what? So an XSS vulnerability was found and you think they have to report that to the customers? So why didn't none of us get any kind of notification from Valve for the 8+ XSS vulnerabilities found on Steam in the last year?

Want to know why? Because you don't have to report vulnerabilities to the public, you only have to report actual breaches of where information was stolen, you don't have to report a vulnerability that was actually never used in the first place, let alone report one where it still relied on the customer pressing on a link sent to them from a complete stranger to their Google+ or Facebook account.
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:38 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

Doesn't change the fact that he called the 12% on Epic as a tax.
I have never seen anyone count UE4's royalty as part of Valve's cut.

Yet, you have not proven anything of dishonesty, rather you have to use twisting of what he said to make it mean something else.
I'm not going to break my back to appease you. Not you who will argue in favor of press releases claiming ♥♥♥♥ like Evolve was a "success". You who claimed Uplay didn't have a cart either and then buried the topic when you got called out for it.

Why on earth would I ever break my back for someone too inept to use a search function, find a cart, or take PR with a grain of salt? I might as well try to teach the quadratic formula to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock.

And you might not have seen it but I very much have. Spawned from that dumb cut comparison chart of Epic's.

In other words you got nothing valid. Thank you for finally admitting to that.
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:42 
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
.......Really? This is how low you're operating at now? Well there goes my fun for the evening. :steamsad:

Saying that. I think that's why you're the way you are. You take everything at face value don't you? That's why you refuse to look past what your master is actually saying in his twitter escapades.

Stop reading here, this is one of the reasons why you people do not deserve any kind of respect and why this whole anti-egs stuff is a complete joke. You use language and insults like that, you people make up lies all the time, you have to twist what has been stated to mean something else. This is why you people are failing and will continue to fail, you never had honesty nor integrity on your side. These kind of tactics you people are using did not work during the great amount of hate against Steam, and it will not work now either.
A Chewy Pickle 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:42 
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
Oh no ofc it doesn't mean anything as such. It's just personal fun after all. The truths about Epic are everywhere, so there is nothing to hide, fear or lie about anything. Just look around and you'll find what you need. But on a personal level, picking apart these ridiculous "facts" and opinions is rather fun, no?

Gotta admit, it is, at times. Long-term however, it gets old. Gotta take breaks every once in a while. In the end, the DARQ debacle exposed Sweeney as a hypocrite, and they failed to meet their own roadmap. Basically, Epic fails to deliver on every front. It's there for anyone to see.
Exactly. Fun, as in life, moderation is the key.

All people do is point and laugh right now. Epic shoot themselves in the foot every week, to varying degrees. So again, there's no need to lie or anything like that.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:43 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus
I'm not going to break my back to appease you. Not you who will argue in favor of press releases claiming ♥♥♥♥ like Evolve was a "success". You who claimed Uplay didn't have a cart either and then buried the topic when you got called out for it.

Why on earth would I ever break my back for someone too inept to use a search function, find a cart, or take PR with a grain of salt? I might as well try to teach the quadratic formula to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock.

And you might not have seen it but I very much have. Spawned from that dumb cut comparison chart of Epic's.

In other words you got nothing valid. Thank you for finally admitting to that.
Steam, twitter, and reddit are all a pain in the ass to search for specific posts. I'm not going to sit here for the next hour digging through 100s of posts to find something you'll handwave or otherwise avoid.

You're not worth the effort, and nothing I ever do will be enough for you when it's not what you want to see. You don't even have the spine to fess up when you are clearly wrong (case-in-point the cart discussion).You ignore valid points and opinions and laser focus on repeating the same optimistic crap and acting like everyone believes some dumb conspiracy you saw posted about Epic.

Why do you think you are worthy of anything other than contempt?
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:46 
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:48 
引用自 Erebus
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1167900610114379776


#ThingsEisbergThinksAreHonestArguments


Soooo, where is the dishonesty? Second time I asked you for that, and pretty sure you didn't answer it the first time. Going to ignore it the second time as well?
McGillicutti 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:49 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

Doesn't change the fact that he called the 12% on Epic as a tax.
I have never seen anyone count UE4's royalty as part of Valve's cut.

Yet, you have not proven anything of dishonesty, rather you have to use twisting of what he said to make it mean something else.
I'm not going to break my back to appease you. Not you who will argue in favor of press releases claiming ♥♥♥♥ like Evolve was a "success". You who claimed Uplay didn't have a cart either and then buried the topic when you got called out for it.

Why on earth would I ever break my back for someone too inept to use a search function, find a cart, or take PR with a grain of salt? I might as well try to teach the quadratic formula to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock.

And you might not have seen it but I very much have. Spawned from that dumb cut comparison chart of Epic's.

The following insulting of all of us, and expressing no respect for anything we say, claiming it's all lies, but then expecting and demanding anything Eisberg says is not treated to question, that he should be respected just for speaking:

引用自 Eisberg
引用自 -3xA'Lu©κy
Almost like devs saying the amount of copies sold met their expected sales figures so they sold enough copies, right?


Sorry to burst your bubble but you've never done that.


Yeah I'm pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ apalled that this guy is Australian. It really does hurt.


Yes, when a dev/pub sell as expected then it is a success for the game. Not hard to understand.

Nope, I use common sense, facts, and logic all the time, and it is the very reason why you people hate me so much, because the EGS hate thrives on not using common sense, not using logic, and making up fake facts as much as possible.

The last time I have seen such an extreme tact of using false hoods, no common sense, and not logic was from the people who were hating on Steam in the early days, and now you guys are doing the same thing again. it is why I have absolutely zero respect for the EGS Hate posse that all of you are a part of, none of you deserve any kind of respect at all. it is the very reason why I say that all of this has absolutely nothing to do with anything any of you people have been saying, and that it all has to do with one thing and one thing only, "I don't want to click on a different icon and I don't want another launcher" that is it, nothing else, everything else you people say are nothing more than smoke and mirrors full of lies.

Emphasis mine.

Anything that doesn't agree with Eisberg is without any fact, logic, etc., according to Eisberg, and all of us are liars therefore, all of us are not to be respected for what we have to say, therefore. The sole criteria is agreement with Eisberg. The actual facts, like the court case I linked and the actual verbage from the complaint, are to be ignored because Eisberg's way of thinking is the only logic, and what he says from it is the only facts, the rest of us are just lying, everyone else is lying, except Tim Sweeney, Except Epic Lames and their Ooblets clone parade.

And this is why Erebus no one should waste their time speaking to Eisberg, for he's voiced he has no respect for anyone else, and therefore he deserves no respect either. I've never wanted to go through life with no useful purpose but apparently there are those whose necessity to claim being above everyone else, pursue that specific vocation in life, and all to promote Epic. Yes to promote Epic. You can't take the constant hate of Steam and willingness to claim GoG or anyone else for cover, while always telling us how Epic is just a store while then explaining how it's great this way, that way, the other way, that are all proven untrue, Eisberg then decides to tell us we're just full of hate, then tells us we're telling lies, when the facts are throughout even Epic's own Lawyer's writings, a matter of public record in a court case!

So you're absolutely right to no longer waste your time on Eisberg whose displays of spin and lies claiming twice removed 3rd party hearsay is a matter of fact but never can actually prove anything genuine when it comes to his attacks on Steam or his certainty of Epic's doing good. It's too bad, I hate seeing people get sucked into complete fanboism of a store like this.

And to be clear, I've made my point about how to Compete with Steam, which explains what's wrong with Steam, or how it can be improved, https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1643167006291975207/?ctp=211#c1639794651167028687.


WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:50 
引用自 Erebus
引用自 Eisberg

In other words you got nothing valid. Thank you for finally admitting to that.
Steam, twitter, and reddit are all a pain in the ass to search for specific posts. I'm not going to sit here for the next hour digging through 100s of posts to find something you'll handwave or otherwise avoid.

You're not worth the effort, and nothing I ever do will be enough for you when it's not what you want to see. You don't even have the spine to fess up when you are clearly wrong (case-in-point the cart discussion).You ignore valid points and opinions and laser focus on repeating the same optimistic crap and acting like everyone believes some dumb conspiracy you saw posted about Epic.

Why do you think you are worthy of anything other than contempt?


Well I have contempt for you people for actual factual and good reasons, you only have contempt for me for daring to provide facts, opinions based on facts, for using facts against your lies, and for using logic and common sense.

I'm ok with dishonest people having contempt for me, it means what I am doing is good.
Erebus 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:54 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Erebus
Steam, twitter, and reddit are all a pain in the ass to search for specific posts. I'm not going to sit here for the next hour digging through 100s of posts to find something you'll handwave or otherwise avoid.

You're not worth the effort, and nothing I ever do will be enough for you when it's not what you want to see. You don't even have the spine to fess up when you are clearly wrong (case-in-point the cart discussion).You ignore valid points and opinions and laser focus on repeating the same optimistic crap and acting like everyone believes some dumb conspiracy you saw posted about Epic.

Why do you think you are worthy of anything other than contempt?


Well I have contempt for you people for actual factual and good reasons, you only have contempt for me for daring to provide facts, opinions based on facts, for using facts against your lies, and for using logic and common sense.

I'm ok with dishonest people having contempt for me, it means what I am doing is good.
Nah contempt because all you do is fawn over how "great EGS is" without ever showing it to be great. Your entire view is hinged on "more money might result in better games"... whereas most personal arguments against Epic are about things Epic has cost the consumer.

You blow flowery ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about hopes and dreams for the devs getting more money all around, but always dodge the question when it comes to what Epic is costing the customers. You handwave alllllll of that as "caring more about the store" which is about as dishonest of a take as you can get.

You can keep shouting facts at the wall, but it won't make your ♥♥♥♥ anything more than hopes and speculation.
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A Chewy Pickle 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:56 
引用自 Eisberg
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
.......Really? This is how low you're operating at now? Well there goes my fun for the evening. :steamsad:

Saying that. I think that's why you're the way you are. You take everything at face value don't you? That's why you refuse to look past what your master is actually saying in his twitter escapades.

Stop reading here, this is one of the reasons why you people do not deserve any kind of respect and why this whole anti-egs stuff is a complete joke. You use language and insults like that, you people make up lies all the time, you have to twist what has been stated to mean something else. This is why you people are failing and will continue to fail, you never had honesty nor integrity on your side. These kind of tactics you people are using did not work during the great amount of hate against Steam, and it will not work now either.
Well i know the truth can hurt so it's no wonder you stop reading. And as i said before, to some extent. Why are you feeling like you're being attacked? I made an obvious observation in the way you conduct yourself and the way you seem to turn a blind eye to everything negative about Epic. The perfect example of this is when there was a video posted of one of Yongyea's videos. You basically said that you used to like him but not anymore. And why was that? Because he's turned to the darkside (anti Epic) Doing videos on all the bad/ridiculous things Epic has been doing lately, especially around that Shenmue3 debacle. I guess all of the videos on how bad Epic's actions are, are......what, lies/twisted truths as well? :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

"you never had honesty nor integrity on your side" Well now i just feel attacked.... :lunar2019shockedpig:

How or why are "we" failing exactly? :lunar2019deadpanpig:
WolfEisberg 2019 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:59 
引用自 Frodo T Baggins
Well i know the truth can hurt so it's no wonder you stop reading. And as i said before, to some extent. Why are you feeling like you're being attacked? I made an obvious observation in the way you conduct yourself and the way you seem to turn a blind eye to everything negative about Epic. The perfect example of this is when there was a video posted of one of Yongyea's videos. You basically said that you used to like him but not anymore. And why was that? Because he's turned to the darkside (anti Epic) Doing videos on all the bad/ridiculous things Epic has been doing lately, especially around that Shenmue3 debacle. I guess all of the videos on how bad Epic's actions are, are......what, lies/twisted truths as well? :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Well first of all you will need to provide some actual truth in order for it to potentially be hurtful. Thus far you have not provided any.

Also care to provide a link to my statement in relation to Yong Ye?
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