Max Point Are Broken!!!

[Watdafak]

Valve Still Not Reset My Max Point... No, I Mean OUR Max Point...

I Know Im Not Alone.

[The Onryō]

Toyfan1 a écrit :

淡Dàn a écrit :

yah I'm a stupid man too, at least I can get the rules right after 2 days.

Which is true, even Valve can't get the rules right after 2 days.

I think their rules is fine. the miscalculated things is the problem.

like the price system, and points from lunar sale or purchased activity before the sale start.
I lost 2K points too without getting confirmation about that from steam support.

[Toyfan1]

sheldonbunny a écrit :

Mr T.T a écrit :

Then it is indeed a bug that is UNINTENDED. Which should've been removed from you. I wonder is that why everyone is getting maxpoints reduction because they found out some had increment more than they should everyday.

I feel like we're seeing two different meanings to what they state in their rules:

All players will begin with at least 100 max points, and for each day that you participate, your maximum will increase by 100 points.

To you that's the ability to contribute +100 daily. To me that's every day your maximum amount total is raised by 100, meaning as stated earlier +200 on day 2, +300 on day 3.

Do you see the issue here? The wording itself has two vastly different interpretations. We both have data to back up our interpretations. You declare what happened to my data pool as the bug, I declare what is happening now as the bug. Without Valve themselves explaining, neither of us knows which is actually right.

This is what I dont get.
We all see whats written, but its obvious that there are different ways to interpret it.
But Mr.TT and Dan act like it's clear as day- when it's not. Hence the confusion

[sheldonbunny]

Toyfan1 a écrit :

Grinnerz a écrit :

So, the max resets daily? I did some qualifier tasks, which were listed as giving +500 max each... is it only for that day? That's very poorly explained if so. So, now I'm back to 100 max.

Nope, it doesn't reset. Valve changed it and has some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ sentencing to explain it.
You get 100 points to redem every day. Only 100, unless more tasks are added.

So where exactly is that stated by Valve? Still waiting on anyone considering a fair bit of people were getting point resets daily until yesterday, myself included.

[Shotgun]

This is a case of bad event design, but is also intended. I highly doubt Valve ever intended to reset capacity on a daily basis, because if that were the case, someone who purchased about $100 worth of stuff (increasing their capacity by 10,000 to roughly 15,000 after the initial/task points) would be able to claim about 15,000 tokens each day, and being able to claim a $5 coupon as an effect. That's 2 weeks of $5 coupons ($70) for a $100 purchase.

There is no way Valve would ever intend for anyone to be able to get what essentially amounts to 70% cash back during a sale.

[Janek]

sheldonbunny a écrit :

Mr T.T a écrit :

Then it is indeed a bug that is UNINTENDED. Which should've been removed from you. I wonder is that why everyone is getting maxpoints reduction because they found out some had increment more than they should everyday.

I feel like we're seeing two different meanings to what they state in their rules:

All players will begin with at least 100 max points, and for each day that you participate, your maximum will increase by 100 points.

To you that's the ability to contribute +100 daily. To me that's every day your maximum amount total is raised by 100, meaning as stated earlier +200 on day 2, +300 on day 3.

Do you see the issue here? The wording itself has two vastly different interpretations. We both have data to back up our interpretations. You declare what happened to my data pool as the bug, I declare what is happening now as the bug. Without Valve themselves explaining, neither of us knows which is actually right.

I understand your position sheldonbunny. In your position you felt like you've lost out since they've started to give out only +100 each day yesterday and today. By your count, you should have 10,500 tokens for free by the end of the 14 day event which is a great amount. We're on two sides of the interpretation. But we can agree on one thing, which I've said at the beginning of the sale as well, those are mighty shady dubious ill-explained wordings used by Valve.

Sale is poorly planned and poorly executed. Yup.

[leadmecca]

I've never gotten a reset. I got like 5000 pts, boosted 4 times the first day and 1 time the second and I get just 100. I'm getting nothing from quests and my max is trash and I've invested a lot in steam and... whatever. It's garbage. My games tell me I have 50k or 90k and more and I can't do anything unless I spend like $100 to increase my max so I can cash in pts/tokes. That's stupid, that's just gambling. It's just depressing sale and event and unless you took advantage of things day one... like always on day one... oh well.

[Janek]

leadmecca a écrit :

I've never gotten a reset. I got like 5000 pts, boosted 4 times the first day and 1 time the second and I get just 100. I'm getting nothing from quests and my max is trash and I've invested a lot in steam and... whatever. It's garbage. My games tell me I have 50k or 90k and more and I can't do anything unless I spend like $100 to increase my max so I can cash in pts/tokes. That's stupid, that's just gambling. It's just depressing sale and event and unless you took advantage of things day one... like always on day one... oh well.

As another person King said, "The bottom line is you pay money for points. The "points" you get from games and achievements are just there to make you feel like you're wasting them. The feeling that your accomplishments might not matter is just the feeling they prey on to crack open your wallet. "

Its a marketing gimmick mostly used by commercial retailers and malls. I guess Valve recently hired someone from there.

[CHUD Josie]

Ogami a écrit :

Mr T.T a écrit :

Please actually read what I posted earlier...

Points do not reset. and yes xym, you figured it out.

I admire that you take the time to explain that but its like pissing into the wind.
Everyone will be back to screaming how Steam " betrayed" them in 5 minutes flat.
I tried for the first 2 days to calmly explain to people how this event works but its really pointless.

They dont want to hear the truth , they want to rage.

The truth is that the entire thing has been worded misleadingly which results in all this confusion.
There's no 100% truth here, nothing follows any rules and the English language is being butchered in their explanations.

[The Onryō]

Shotgun a écrit :

This is a case of bad event design, but is also intended. I highly doubt Valve ever intended to reset capacity on a daily basis, because if that were the case, someone who purchased about $100 worth of stuff (increasing their capacity by 10,000 to roughly 15,000 after the initial/task points) would be able to claim about 15,000 tokens each day, and being able to claim a $5 coupon as an effect. That's 2 weeks of $5 coupons ($70) for a $100 purchase.

There is no way Valve would ever intend for anyone to be able to get what essentially amounts to 70% cash back during a sale.

of course, the thing that makes people rage are the badge that ridiculously cheap. you can get 300 exp free for purchasing games with just a $, when the others was spending it to trading cards to level up.

so was I, spent around 100$ just to buy trading cards on the market.

sorry for bad english, my toefl didn't reach the 500 marks :((

[Chompman]

leadmecca a écrit :

I've never gotten a reset. I got like 5000 pts, boosted 4 times the first day and 1 time the second and I get just 100. I'm getting nothing from quests and my max is trash and I've invested a lot in steam and... whatever. It's garbage. My games tell me I have 50k or 90k and more and I can't do anything unless I spend like $100 to increase my max so I can cash in pts/tokes. That's stupid, that's just gambling. It's just depressing sale and event and unless you took advantage of things day one... like always on day one... oh well.

That's how it works it seems.

You will only get the 100 per day unless you spend money and then you can use that extra amount up if you max the points with the points from achievements and quests and if you spent it up then it goes back to just 100 per day unless you spend more.

The points will not stay above 100 if you used them up each day without spending more.

[sheldonbunny]

Mr T.T a écrit :

sheldonbunny a écrit :

I feel like we're seeing two different meanings to what they state in their rules:

All players will begin with at least 100 max points, and for each day that you participate, your maximum will increase by 100 points.

To you that's the ability to contribute +100 daily. To me that's every day your maximum amount total is raised by 100, meaning as stated earlier +200 on day 2, +300 on day 3.

Do you see the issue here? The wording itself has two vastly different interpretations. We both have data to back up our interpretations. You declare what happened to my data pool as the bug, I declare what is happening now as the bug. Without Valve themselves explaining, neither of us knows which is actually right.

I understand your position sheldonbunny. In your position you felt like you've lost out since they've started to give out only +100 each day yesterday and today. By your count, you should have 10,500 tokens for free by the end of the 14 day event which is a great amount. We're on two sides of the interpretation. But we can agree on one thing, which I've said at the beginning of the sale as well, those are mighty shady dubious ill-explained wordings used by Valve.

Sale is poorly planned and poorly executed. Yup.

Then as the old adage goes, we agree to disagree on one point, but completely agree on the other. I myself am not very invested in this. I managed (completely free) to get the $5 discount on day 3, and promptly used it for a purchase. I am satisfied and will use whatever amount we end up with daily until the end of the event.

All I really wish for is transparency on their part. If we only get 100 a day, then they need to explain that better, so there can be no other way to interpret it.

A pleasure talking to you. Hope your day is a good one.

[Toyfan1]

sheldonbunny a écrit :

Toyfan1 a écrit :

Nope, it doesn't reset. Valve changed it and has some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ sentencing to explain it.
You get 100 points to redem every day. Only 100, unless more tasks are added.

So where exactly is that stated by Valve? Still waiting on anyone considering a fair bit of people were getting point resets daily until yesterday, myself included.

From the Store Page a écrit :

All players will begin with at least 100 max points, and for each day that you participate, your maximum will increase by 100 points. Additionally, for every $1 you spend on Steam, you will increase your maximum points that you can earn by 100 points.

[FNG_DirtyD <VOLK>]

Mr T.T a écrit :

I understand your position sheldonbunny. In your position you felt like you've lost out since they've started to give out only +100 each day yesterday and today. By your count, you should have 10,500 tokens for free by the end of the 14 day event which is a great amount. We're on two sides of the interpretation. But we can agree on one thing, which I've said at the beginning of the sale as well, those are mighty shady dubious ill-explained wordings used by Valve.

Sale is poorly planned and poorly executed. Yup.

10.5k tokens really isn't a whole lot. I mean, yeah, 10.5k is a big number, but it's Valve giving away a made up currency, and it takes 15k just to get a $5 discount. That means 10.5k tokens is $3.50.

My max points dropped as well, and my points redeeming section has said I have to wait until tomorrow to redeem more points for a couple of days now.

[sheldonbunny]

Toyfan1 a écrit :

sheldonbunny a écrit :

So where exactly is that stated by Valve? Still waiting on anyone considering a fair bit of people were getting point resets daily until yesterday, myself included.

From the Store Page a écrit :

All players will begin with at least 100 max points, and for each day that you participate, your maximum will increase by 100 points. Additionally, for every $1 you spend on Steam, you will increase your maximum points that you can earn by 100 points.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1643167006271797566/?ctp=4#c1643167006272100263

That basically explains my response to what you're saying.

[Janek]

FNG_DirtyD <VOLK> a écrit :

10.5k tokens really isn't a whole lot. I mean, yeah, 10.5k is a big number, but it's Valve giving away a made up currency, and it takes 15k just to get a $5 discount. That means 10.5k tokens is $3.50.

My max points dropped as well, and my points redeeming section has said I have to wait until tomorrow to redeem more points for a couple of days now.

Plus, the 2k freebie at the beginning, plus the 2k from checklist, that's 14.5k free. Which, if you threw 5 bucks at a game, you get 5 bucks back to use in another game, at the last day of the event. 2 for 1? Steam would end up paying for us to buy games as they need to pay devs 70% of sale price back.

Anyways, it is why I don't ever think it would be like that because there's no free lunch in this world and if there is, you better check the food.