My thoughts on the steam library complaints (Not a troll)

[Neo]

So whenever I visit the steam forums now, all I see is a wall of negative posts about how much "everyone" hates the new steam. How bad the new UI lags and freezes and crashes,which is all very puzzling to me because steam works excellent for me. It's smooth, looks so much better than how it used to.

So that made me ask around, my friends and family who also use steam, I asked them if they are having problems with the new steam. They all told me no, it works just fine, no issues at all. So clearly the new steam is NOT universally broken, it's not flawed like a lot of like to make out. But it is clear there is something wrong, but only to a small LOUD VOCAL MINORITY . Which by the way, is normally the loudest group. The vast majority of people who are having no problems don't speak up, well because they are happy, they are getting on with their lives.

So that got me thinking, what could the problem be here with the people who are complaining. And I think they probably all fall into 1 of 2 categories.

The first group as follows: 1)People who have terrible computers, poor system specs with a terrible record of maintaining their system, and possibly slow internet connection.

And the second group: 2) People who do have great system specs and do actually look after their system but have a tiny underlying computer problem, ie wrong drivers or whatever it may be, who knows. The list of possible problems is almost endless.

My point is, so many people are not having issues with the new steam, ergo it is logical to conclude the problem is probably not with steam but with the vocal minority of unhappy users. If it was some critical flaw with the new steam, wouldn't everyone be experiencing the same issues?

This thread is not meant to upset you guys who are having issues, really. But I just wanted to post my thoughts and kindly ask you to stop asking for the steam to be pushed back into the past. Some people actually do like the new update.

[MonkehMaster]

Първоначално публикувано от ダニエル:

Първоначално публикувано от Richard Jokes:

Bad news. My computer is by no means "sucks" and I'm having the issue of the library section lagging and freezing. The store works 100% fine, but for some friggin reason, the library section's new UI change is having serious problems.

I'm British so I forgot that sarcasm doesn't translate into text all that well. I was joking about how a lot of us have been having the same problems and asking for some legitimate advice or fixes, and that all we've been told is that our PCs are the problem.

ya those are the steam shills and trolls, they ignore facts and deflect any blame against steam.

[RiO]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Options I could suggest is clearing cache, and download, may either opt in, or out of Steam beta, or reinstall, which move Steamapp folder out of Steam folder first, and if have screenshots you wish to keep, move userdata folder as well out of Steam folder, uninstall, delete whatever left behind, as nothing should be left, then reinstall, place back the Steamapp folder, and userdata folder, and test. Hope this can resolve your issue.

None of those will help. The illustrated performance drain is a normal symptom of Chromium being Chromium, i.e. a total resource hog. It just doesn't surface on all hardware or software environments. (Count yourself lucky if it doesn't for you.)

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

I can say for sure something wrong, unless you're downloading something that also trying to extract files as well at the same time, or just busy extracting large files before finishing the download what I can think of, but again seem like issue with the user end for the client.

Su---re. Because extracting a file in the background affects how much GPU usage a Chromium renderer process is using. Or how much percentage of total available CPU it is using.

Of course not. The fact that you're even suggesting it as a possibility shows that you have no understanding of what you're talking about.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Try what I suggested to see if you can resolve your issue.

It's a fresh install and i'm not the only one having this issue. In fact people complained about it since beta.

Something has to be causing the client to act like that in some kind of matter. You can see how mines is and I'm on a gen behind yours which is the i7 6700k. https://imgur.com/rLNnUja

If by chance you're rendering things by your CPU, maybe try these settings instead. https://imgur.com/NNWAXSF

Just a quick question you have a GPU, and not using the IGPU on the CPU correct? I'm just thinking what could cause your Steam usage to be that high on your CPU.

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Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

It's a fresh install and i'm not the only one having this issue. In fact people complained about it since beta.

Don't bother, we're the minority apparently and your PC just sucks. Apparently.

Sure....

Първоначално публикувано от RiO:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Options I could suggest is clearing cache, and download, may either opt in, or out of Steam beta, or reinstall, which move Steamapp folder out of Steam folder first, and if have screenshots you wish to keep, move userdata folder as well out of Steam folder, uninstall, delete whatever left behind, as nothing should be left, then reinstall, place back the Steamapp folder, and userdata folder, and test. Hope this can resolve your issue.

None of those will help. The illustrated performance drain is a normal symptom of Chromium being Chromium, i.e. a total resource hog. It just doesn't surface on all hardware or software environments. (Count yourself lucky if it doesn't for you.)

Luck has nothing to do with it, The issue I'm trying to think of what he might be having may not be common, as I'm not sure what exactly would be causing high CPU usage as that, unless the client was doing something, as that the only way the CPU usage would be like that for an I7 7700.

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Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

I can say for sure something wrong, unless you're downloading something that also trying to extract files as well at the same time, or just busy extracting large files before finishing the download what I can think of, but again seem like issue with the user end for the client.

Su---re. Because extracting a file in the background affects how much GPU usage a Chromium renderer process is using. Or how much percentage of total available CPU it is using.

Of course not. The fact that you're even suggesting it as a possibility shows that you have no understanding of what you're talking about.

Cool glad you can even clue in at all from reading my post. Again it seem like an issue on his end, so unless you know excat issue, and know how to solve his issue, please share, and help him out.

[larthenII]

I think the complains and opinions about the new design are more interesting and actually very legit alot of the time.
Wide spread performance issues are adressed anyways.

But I don't agree with your look on the "LOUD VOCAL MINORITY".
I understand there are users that have such a bad experience with the new UI performance wise that they don't like or actually can't use steam the way they'd like to atm.
Its only natural for them to come here and complain. The raging isn't unusal either.
Give it a try and think about it this way: You have a simple calculator that has done what you wanted perfectly fine for years. Now all of a sudden without you asking for it somebody gave your device a new look but also broke key features you use on a daily basis. I bet you'd be pissed.

Its not like steam detects the issues and automatically reverts back to the more stable version (or load the simple list view that is still accessible via cmd etc), so that you can still work with it until the issue is adressed.

The average user doesn't take the time to look up how to report his issues.
They don't want to spend time fixing stuff they haven't broken.
And poeple are emotional.

Its probably way better for that "MINORITY" to rage here than to keep quiet hoping that the problems get fixed, or to leave steam alltogether

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Първоначално публикувано от larthenII:

I think the complains and opinions about the new design are more interesting and actually very legit alot of the time.
Wide spread performance issues are adressed anyways.

But I don't agree with your look on the "LOUD VOCAL MINORITY".
I understand there are users that have such a bad experience with the new UI performance wise that they don't like or actually can't use steam the way they'd like to atm.
Its only natural for them to come here and complain. The raging isn't unusal either.
Give it a try and think about it this way: You have a simple calculator that has done what you wanted perfectly fine for years. Now all of a sudden without you asking for it somebody gave your device a new look but also broke key features you use on a daily basis. I bet you'd be pissed.

Its not like steam detects the issues and automatically reverts back to the more stable version (or load the simple list view that is still accessible via cmd etc), so that you can still work with it until the issue is adressed.

The average user doesn't take the time to look up how to report his issues.
They don't want to spend time fixing stuff they haven't broken.
And poeple are emotional.

Its probably way better for that "MINORITY" to rage here than to keep quiet hoping that the problems get fixed, or to leave steam alltogether

It's understandable, and it's a totally given that some people won't like change, or looks of things, while others does, the same thing can be said if they left the UI alone which people will complain about it being outdated, and old which is also a case, and point to why they went ahead to make a fresh new change to their service.

Now it's also to be expected when issues can happen as well, the real issue is how did it came about, and trying to find away to solve the issue, this even apply to video games we play on PC daily, someone will complain about game being broken, or whatever, while everyone else is fine, the issue is why is it like that, what can be causing it, how to solve it, these are the things need to be discuss to push to help those as that was the point to giving a hand to those that want help.

But so far you're right about most of it, which I agree, some people won't take the time, get upset easily, and etc...

[m4dEngi]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

It's a fresh install and i'm not the only one having this issue. In fact people complained about it since beta.

Something has to be causing the client to act like that in some kind of matter. You can see how mines is and I'm on a gen behind yours which is the i7 6700k. https://imgur.com/rLNnUja

If by chance you're rendering things by your CPU, maybe try these settings instead. https://imgur.com/NNWAXSF

Just a quick question you have a GPU, and not using the IGPU on the CPU correct? I'm just thinking what could cause your Steam usage to be that high on your CPU.

If you enable hardware acceleration CPU usage spikes will stay the same, but you'll get additional black windows when render processes will fail to wake up.
Memory leaks also won't go anywhere.

All those issues were reported during beta period, but reports were ignored and unfinished release was pushed to stable branch.

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

But so far you're right about most of it, which I agree, some people won't take the time, get upset easily, and etc...

I'm not mad... wait, i am, so mad that i actually wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper and use it instead of full client.

https://i.imgur.com/wOP9ULn.png preallocating and installing fallout 4 @ 400Mbps.
Same cpu usage as if was just slowly scrolling through new library and 10x times less memory usage.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Something has to be causing the client to act like that in some kind of matter. You can see how mines is and I'm on a gen behind yours which is the i7 6700k. https://imgur.com/rLNnUja

If by chance you're rendering things by your CPU, maybe try these settings instead. https://imgur.com/NNWAXSF

Just a quick question you have a GPU, and not using the IGPU on the CPU correct? I'm just thinking what could cause your Steam usage to be that high on your CPU.

If you enable hardware acceleration CPU usage spikes will stay the same, but you'll get additional black windows when render processes will fail to wake up.
Memory leaks also won't go anywhere.

All those issues were reported during beta period, but reports were ignored and unfinished release was pushed to stable branch.

Alright so if nothing changes, even after restarting the client to test out the settings changes, then I'm not sure what exactly to tell you. For the black boxes issue some people have that issue resolved by doing one of the following, but again vary from what I have read.
- Clear cache from the settings.
- Turning on, or off GPU acceleration settings.
- Updating, or using DDU to redo video drivers.
- Reinstall of the client, or opt in, or out of Steam beta.

But for your CPU high usage, I don't know about, as not familiar, or understand what the cause of high usage, I could suggest contacting support, but I doubt they be able to help you. Far as I know they made improvements, and fixes on the beta site people are having, but in your case, none of them were for the CPU high usage you're having ATM.

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

But so far you're right about most of it, which I agree, some people won't take the time, get upset easily, and etc...

I'm not mad... wait, i am, so mad that i actually wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper and use it instead of full client.

You can for now if you want, do a work around, which I suggest go into Steam side, turn on small mode, to do that go to View and click small mode, then close steam, open the short cut, and add -no-browser to your end of the target address, like this.
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe" -no-browser

This will disable the broswer client, the issue will face is not being able to use the web interface on the client itself, such as access to store page, or etc, but as long you're in small mode, this should work for you, as this should kill most of the webhelper, lower your RAM usage, and hope this will fix your CPU high usage for the time being, the issue will be for small mode is uninstalling games, which you need to use the new UI web interface which is a problem, but for installing games is not a problem in small mode.

Also when you say you wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper, can you go into little more details about this? As this may be related to why you have high CPU usage, but that just my guess on this.

[IQØ]

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

(Not a troll)

Well, Lets just see shall we.

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

but only to a small LOUD VOCAL MINORITY . Which by the way, is normally the loudest group.

I would love to know how you distinguish between the different groups, other than them typing in capitals.

Yeah, people who have an issue do normally get louder or as some would call it, more active in the the pursuit of finding a solution to a problem with an integral part of their gaming software until something gets done about it.
Are you somehow suggesting that people should not be saying anything about their issues with the new UI or not kick off when even after two weeks with little progress if any, has been made to fix some of these problems for a fair few people?
That would be ironic since YOU are vocal and don't even have a problem except for that others do. By that i mean, this post wouldn't exist would it.

Because your steam experience is a positive one, you actually have been afforded the luxury of not even needing to post about this issue, But you chose to and that is your right. Others are not so lucky and only came on here to launch their game with the expectation of it being problem free like it used to be.

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

The vast majority of people who are having no problems don't speak up, well because they are happy, they are getting on with their lives.

Except for those wanting to Troll.

[m4dEngi]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Also when you say you wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper, can you go into little more details about this? As this may be related to why you have high CPU usage, but that just my guess on this.

Why you refuse to accept that high CPU/GPU usage spikes are caused by chrome render redrawing web view of library/chat components?

[sir Evans]

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Also when you say you wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper, can you go into little more details about this? As this may be related to why you have high CPU usage, but that just my guess on this.

Why you refuse to accept that high CPU/GPU usage spikes are caused by chrome render redrawing web view of library/chat components?

Don't break his bubble. It might hurt him.

Първоначално публикувано от IQØ:

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

(Not a troll)

Well, Lets just see shall we.

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

but only to a small LOUD VOCAL MINORITY . Which by the way, is normally the loudest group.

I would love to know how you distinguish between the different groups, other than them typing in capitals.

Първоначално публикувано от Neo:

The vast majority of people who are having no problems don't speak up, well because they are happy, they are getting on with their lives.

Except for those wanting to Troll.

Well, obvious troll is obvious.
Whenever new version of anything comes out, there are always people who absolutelly love new version and those who hate it. And then there is a majority of all those who remain silent, but fall anywhere into these two categories or in somewhere in between.

I don't know, I'm probably too old to be on the computer, but having played games since Atari, I have seen this sort of discussions, with the same arguments (vocal minority, etc) been repeated over and over again.

All this could be avoided if, like in the old library, we had 3 settings to choose from. Recreating old compact look on new engine is rather easy, and I expect it will happen at some point in the future. Right now they are probably just fixing the mess they have made.

[IQØ]

Първоначално публикувано от sir Evans:

All this could be avoided if, like in the old library, we had 3 settings to choose from. Recreating old compact look on new engine is rather easy, and I expect it will happen at some point in the future. Right now they are probably just fixing the mess they have made.

Totally agree with you, so much of this could have been avoided. It's mainly because so few have a voice or will just go with the flow that this liberty with us (forced into beta testing) was taken in the first place.
It would have been really interesting to see the boards and valves actions if whats been referred to as the minority where the ones having the problem free version of events and visa versa.

I really hope they get is solved for everybody soon, i would hate to see so many get a rude awakening from being on the other side of the fence and meeting the brick wall.

On a side note, I had an Atari 2600 Them were the days aye :)

[sir Evans]

Първоначално публикувано от IQØ:

Първоначално публикувано от sir Evans:

All this could be avoided if, like in the old library, we had 3 settings to choose from. Recreating old compact look on new engine is rather easy, and I expect it will happen at some point in the future. Right now they are probably just fixing the mess they have made.

Totally agree with you, so much of this could have been avoided. It's mainly because so few have a voice or will just go with the flow that this liberty with us (forced into beta testing) was taken in the first place.
It would have been really interesting to see the boards and valves actions if whats been referred to as the minority where the ones having the problem free version of events and visa versa.

I really hope they get is solved for everybody soon, i would hate to see so many get a rude awakening from being on the other side of the fence and meeting the brick wall.

On a side note, I had an Atari 2600 Them where the days aye :)

Atari 65XL here. Will never forget rewinding tapes using pencil. Also, I still hold Agent USA as one of the best "educational" games ever made.

Funny, now when I think about it and realize it was previous millennium. But I'm sort of glad these days are now in the past :)

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Also when you say you wrote a replacement for steam bootstrapper, can you go into little more details about this? As this may be related to why you have high CPU usage, but that just my guess on this.

Why you refuse to accept that high CPU/GPU usage spikes are caused by chrome render redrawing web view of library/chat components?

Has nothing to do with accepting as such, what the issue you're having is that it's using close to 30% of your CPU if this is constant high usage, as I said, and I even show you example of mines, which is less than 1% usage, and not doing anything special. i7 6700k compare to i7 7700, if you can't see the problem that something clearly not right, then IDK what to tell you. If you do not want help, just say so, I'm only trying to help.

Първоначално публикувано от sir Evans:

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Why you refuse to accept that high CPU/GPU usage spikes are caused by chrome render redrawing web view of library/chat components?

Don't break his bubble. It might hurt him.

I'm hurt.

[IQØ]

Първоначално публикувано от sir Evans:

Will never forget rewinding tapes using pencil

C120's That's where drills came in handy as well as the pencil, little pumps or you smell burning plastic :D
If you close your eyes and take a deep breath in, you can still hear a spectrum load.

[m4dEngi]

Първоначално публикувано от Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Първоначално публикувано от m4dEngi:

Why you refuse to accept that high CPU/GPU usage spikes are caused by chrome render redrawing web view of library/chat components?

Has nothing to do with accepting as such, what the issue you're having is that it's using close to 30% of your CPU if this is constant high usage, as I said, and I even show you example of mines, which is less than 1% usage, and not doing anything special. i7 6700k compare to i7 7700, if you can't see the problem that something clearly not right, then IDK what to tell you. If you do not want help, just say so, I'm only trying to help.

I didn't say it was constant, and it's quite normal and common for web browsers to give short spikes of high CPU/GPU usage on redraw. Only memory leaks are constant here.

I already solved my issue with new library by getting rid of steamui and web helpers completely.
You can inspect my tiny client bootstrapper here https://github.com/m4dEngi/steamcclliient if you think it's causing issues with cef ... lol.
Don't mind the spaghetti code mess, i was just figuring out the way to use client interfaces while whole api is designed with oop and multithreading in mind.