[QUERY] Is Humble Bundle Considered a Threat to Steam? : Steam

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Why is the Epic Store considered a threat to Steam but Humble Bundle not considered a threat?

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引用自 north：

$60 game on Steam
$42 = dev/publisher
$18 = steam

$60 game on epic
$54 to developer + publisher
$6 to Epic
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I know which one I'm choosing

Hmmmm... Possible.... Privacy may matter...

But your personal information, emails, passwords, cc details, address, text messages, credit history, your bills, employer, name of your partner/children/pets are already with Steam, Google, Facebook, etc...

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引用自 Reaper187：

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Hmmm... I think the publishers might with Humble Bundle, hence the OP...

Since they sell the same on both platforms either way, why not sell on both Steam and Epic?

The publishers would just let the customers decide if the features are worth the extra $.

Remember AAA games are not $10 but $60.

So, I'll use your scenario where the selling price is the same.

Same Game cost $60 on Steam.
$42 to developer + publisher
$18 to Steam

Same Game cost $60 on Epic
$54 to developer + publisher
$6 to Epic

The dev/pubs get $12 more per game.

$12 more per game equals greater profit and marketing budget.

Am I right?

Now lets say both stores only sold 100,000 copies each. That's a difference of 1.2 mil. Which looks more enticing?

Exactly my point...

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

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引用自 Reaper187：

Now lets say both stores only sold 100,000 copies each. That's a difference of 1.2 mil. Which looks more enticing?

Exactly my point...

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

They don't need to. There's so many casual gamers who don't care where they buy their games from. Why do you think loot boxes exist? The same casual gamers buy those so they will buy games wherever they can. Hell I can see more people using the Epic store just to get away from the spam of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games that Steam spews at us every time we go the store

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引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

Exactly my point...

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

And What if Steam from Universe-616 teams up with our Universe's Steam?

Like you can what if a bunch of scenarios and people can try to guess based on their own opinions and total lack of expertise. So the answer to your question is it would be good, or bad, or won't matter one bit.

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引用自 Reaper187：

引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

Exactly my point...

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

They don't need to. There's so many casual gamers who don't care where they buy their games from. Why do you think loot boxes exist? The same casual gamers buy those so they will buy games wherever they can. Hell I can see more people using the Epic store just to get away from the spam of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games that Steam spews at us every time we go the store

Like Fortnite?

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引用自 Brockenstein：

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Exactly my point...

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

And What if Steam from Universe-616 teams up with our Universe's Steam?

Like you can what if a bunch of scenarios and people can try to guess based on their own opinions and total lack of expertise. So the answer to your question is it would be good, or bad, or won't matter one bit.

Then there is no need for you to even comment since you already know the answer to all of life's questions.

Why are you even here?

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引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

引用自 Brockenstein：

And What if Steam from Universe-616 teams up with our Universe's Steam?

Like you can what if a bunch of scenarios and people can try to guess based on their own opinions and total lack of expertise. So the answer to your question is it would be good, or bad, or won't matter one bit.

Then there is no need for you to even comment since you already know the answer to all of life's questions.

Why are you even here?

Got it, doom and gloom echo chamber only. Nothing that could suggest your pessimism might be wildly overblown. Turn that frown upside down, and why not suggest that Universe-616's Epic and Humble Bundle team up with this universe's Epic and Humble Bundle to reassert that nonsense you said? Missed opportunity.

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引用自 Kargor：

Let's just clear up one thing: a Steam key sold elsewhere does NOT give Valve any money whatsoever. So, while other shops might not be classified as a "threat", they are still competition. Any game I redeem on my account -- and that's quite a few -- is a game not sold by the Steam Store.

However, I suspect that the amount of business going through these shops is somewhat negligible, and since they are probably not taking 30% Steam might even be able to see them as a helper to keep publishers on Steam -- let them sell a few games through external sites.

Keys redeemed = charity given too, or a portion of it can be.

Whether Steam, Epic, Walmart, etc., if the package is bought from Humble and then the key redeemed with someone else, that is also a value as a charitable amount, if not entirely, to some portion, and that can include the Publisher and the Developer in having made the donation, depending on how the bookkeeping is done. The key activation is generally all that happens from any retailer when the Steam Launcher is on the game. Steam doesn't get a dime as Steam wasn't the seller of the product.

But Humble is a charity and it would only make sense as good business for everyone involved whose package is sold by them and activated by someone else to carry forward the charity donation throughout the split upon activation and for the full amount of what the product would have sold for if not for a charitable purpose. This is how charity would be written off against profits for all involved and Humble gets to keep what it gets for the product sold as a charitable donation made by the customer. This way everyone wins, and that's why Humble isn't a threat.

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引用自 McGillicutti：

引用自 Kargor：

Let's just clear up one thing: a Steam key sold elsewhere does NOT give Valve any money whatsoever. So, while other shops might not be classified as a "threat", they are still competition. Any game I redeem on my account -- and that's quite a few -- is a game not sold by the Steam Store.

However, I suspect that the amount of business going through these shops is somewhat negligible, and since they are probably not taking 30% Steam might even be able to see them as a helper to keep publishers on Steam -- let them sell a few games through external sites.

Keys redeemed = charity given too, or a portion of it can be.

Whether Steam, Epic, Walmart, etc., if the package is bought from Humble and then the key redeemed with someone else, that is also a value as a charitable amount, if not entirely, to some portion, and that can include the Publisher and the Developer in having made the donation, depending on how the bookkeeping is done. The key activation is generally all that happens from any retailer when the Steam Launcher is on the game. Steam doesn't get a dime as Steam wasn't the seller of the product.

But Humble is a charity and it would only make sense as good business for everyone involved whose package is sold by them and activated by someone else to carry forward the charity donation throughout the split upon activation and for the full amount of what the product would have sold for if not for a charitable purpose. This is how charity would be written off against profits for all involved and Humble gets to keep what it gets for the product sold as a charitable donation made by the customer. This way everyone wins, and that's why Humble isn't a threat.

A charity?

It's owned by Ziff Davis.

You can choose to give to charities you mean?

They use your donations as a tax multiplier deduction you mean?

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引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

引用自 McGillicutti：

Keys redeemed = charity given too, or a portion of it can be.

Whether Steam, Epic, Walmart, etc., if the package is bought from Humble and then the key redeemed with someone else, that is also a value as a charitable amount, if not entirely, to some portion, and that can include the Publisher and the Developer in having made the donation, depending on how the bookkeeping is done. The key activation is generally all that happens from any retailer when the Steam Launcher is on the game. Steam doesn't get a dime as Steam wasn't the seller of the product.

But Humble is a charity and it would only make sense as good business for everyone involved whose package is sold by them and activated by someone else to carry forward the charity donation throughout the split upon activation and for the full amount of what the product would have sold for if not for a charitable purpose. This is how charity would be written off against profits for all involved and Humble gets to keep what it gets for the product sold as a charitable donation made by the customer. This way everyone wins, and that's why Humble isn't a threat.

A charity?

It's owned by Ziff Davis.

You can choose to give to charities you mean?

They use your donations as a tax multiplier deduction you mean?

Okay for the user, they may have those choices. My friend says he buys from Humble because they donate to charity. He's never mentioned if he picks or not.

As to the businesses involved, I'd say that's all part of whatever arrangements Humble makes contractually with the businesses whose keys and/or products they're selling.

The ownership isn't relevant to me it's in that it claims to be charitable and not for profit, and that I'd figure with all the people that buy from Humble if that weren't true it'd have been known a long time ago. It's in their charter, their income tax registratoin, etc., and Ziff Davis I am sure can set up tax exempt organizations and likely would to have its own charitable write-offs.

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引用自 McGillicutti：

引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

A charity?

It's owned by Ziff Davis.

You can choose to give to charities you mean?

They use your donations as a tax multiplier deduction you mean?

Okay for the user, they may have those choices. My friend says he buys from Humble because they donate to charity. He's never mentioned if he picks or not.

As to the businesses involved, I'd say that's all part of whatever arrangements Humble makes contractually with the businesses whose keys and/or products they're selling.

The ownership isn't relevant to me it's in that it claims to be charitable and not for profit, and that I'd figure with all the people that buy from Humble if that weren't true it'd have been known a long time ago. It's in their charter, their income tax registratoin, etc., and Ziff Davis I am sure can set up tax exempt organizations and likely would to have its own charitable write-offs.

Ziff Davis could partner with charities that they own, not just those they support.

True.

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引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

Why is the Epic Store considered a threat to Steam but Humble Bundle not considered a threat?

Humble Bundle sells third party Steam keys. Why would they be a threat to Steam ?

Epic is a direct competitor that isn’t even a threat to Steam. They are more annoying than anything cause they buy exclusive games for a broken launcher.

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引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

No need to. I don't remember whether it was Humblebundle or some other store, but I saw a game that would redeem on Epic.

Which makes perfect sense -- for 3rd party stores, it doesn't really matter all that much where the keys need to be redeemed. They still need to keep track of it to display the correct information, icons, "how to redeem" help links etc., but aside from that, they are really just selling a bunch of letters and digits.

引用自 Deadsea_1993：

Epic is a direct competitor that isn’t even a threat to Steam. They are more annoying than anything cause they buy exclusive games for a broken launcher.

That might not be correct. Steam does need money too, and the bulk of their income doesn't come from $5 titles sold with a -90% discount during a sale. They probably DO need those "AAA" titles with their $60+ release price tags.

Steam might not feel it right away -- I really have no idea how much of an heavy weight tanker they are to just let them ignore a storm or two, but sooner or later a lack of "new" and "hyped" titles might turn into an issue.

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引用自 Deadsea_1993：

引用自 <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>：

Why is the Epic Store considered a threat to Steam but Humble Bundle not considered a threat?

Humble Bundle sells third party Steam keys. Why would they be a threat to Steam ?

Epic is a direct competitor that isn’t even a threat to Steam. They are more annoying than anything cause they buy exclusive games for a broken launcher.

Epic isn't a threat to Steam?

Ok, that is new to me.

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引用自 Kargor：

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What if Humble Bundle ganged up with Epic?

No need to. I don't remember whether it was Humblebundle or some other store, but I saw a game that would redeem on Epic.

Which makes perfect sense -- for 3rd party stores, it doesn't really matter all that much where the keys need to be redeemed. They still need to keep track of it to display the correct information, icons, "how to redeem" help links etc., but aside from that, they are really just selling a bunch of letters and digits.

引用自 Deadsea_1993：

Epic is a direct competitor that isn’t even a threat to Steam. They are more annoying than anything cause they buy exclusive games for a broken launcher.

That might not be correct. Steam does need money too, and the bulk of their income doesn't come from $5 titles sold with a -90% discount during a sale. They probably DO need those "AAA" titles with their $60+ release price tags.

Steam might not feel it right away -- I really have no idea how much of an heavy weight tanker they are to just let them ignore a storm or two, but sooner or later a lack of "new" and "hyped" titles might turn into an issue.

Agreed.

I get games for free on Humble Bundle and I play them with no Steam DLC.

I bought Witcher 3 on GOG with no DRM.