Why is Steam so inconsistent on adult games

[^_Kamomon_^]

Some games get banned, some don’t. Talking about Taimanin Asagi. Can they have a fking guideline and most importantly deal with the large amounts of asset flips and shovelwares instead of going after actual games

[grody_antagonic]

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

The former is frowned upon, but not illegal in art sense.

yep. Just wanted to clarify that sexual assault in a game is generally no problem within steam rules nowadays. The only rule in that regard is no underage looking characters. Everything else will usually get through. There are still a few games that were banned unjustified. One of them is even released on GOG, while steam banned it (A Kiss For The Petals - Maidens of Michael).

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door weirdman:

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

The former is frowned upon, but not illegal in art sense.

yep. Just wanted to clarify that sexual assault in a game is generally no problem within steam rules nowadays. The only rule in that regard is no underage looking characters. Everything else will usually get through. There are still a few games that were banned unjustified. One of them is even released on GOG, while steam banned it (A Kiss For The Petals - Maidens of Michael).

Just because you don't see the reason doesn't make it unjustified. Sometimes its better to err on the side of caution. Othertimes the dev's falsify and lie to steam resulting in a ban of their games. Something that the end user doesn't know about.

Steam also can and has banned games like Rapelay or whatever it was called because it was too controversial, too focused on rape, and at the end of the day its their platform and their decision. Sometimes they might err on the side of caution rather then risk an issue.

[Ogami]

Origineel geplaatst door brian9824:

Steam also can and has banned games like Rapelay or whatever it was called because it was too controversial, too focused on rape, and at the end of the day its their platform and their decision. Sometimes they might err on the side of caution rather then risk an issue.

They did not ban R.a.p.eday for the sex. Their reasoning was that it was a "troll game".
Which it 100% was, the creator even admitted to that.
Again, there are plenty of Hentai games on the store that contain R.a.p.e as a main gameplay element.

[Chiki]

Origineel geplaatst door brian9824:

Origineel geplaatst door weirdman:

yep. Just wanted to clarify that sexual assault in a game is generally no problem within steam rules nowadays. The only rule in that regard is no underage looking characters. Everything else will usually get through. There are still a few games that were banned unjustified. One of them is even released on GOG, while steam banned it (A Kiss For The Petals - Maidens of Michael).

Just because you don't see the reason doesn't make it unjustified. Sometimes its better to err on the side of caution. Othertimes the dev's falsify and lie to steam resulting in a ban of their games. Something that the end user doesn't know about.

Steam also can and has banned games like Rapelay or whatever it was called because it was too controversial, too focused on rape, and at the end of the day its their platform and their decision. Sometimes they might err on the side of caution rather then risk an issue.

Sadly the dev from what i know didn't really go into detail about what asagi in particular was banned for so i honestly can't say you are wrong

Rape day likely wasn't banned because of how controversial it was on paper but god I in all honesty am glad that ren'py game that actually seeked to invite controversy despite how bad it looked overall(not the depictions of rape the game in general).
All that game would have did is make ALL of this much much more complicated with people using it as an example as to why these games shouldn't even be here.
(Edit Unfortunately i actually didn't know the dev actually Admitted it was a troll game)


That being said rape isn't a reason steam bans any game since they would be breaking their own rule as no laws are in place against drawing that.
Most if not all the games are banned because of the child exploitation law.
Problem is with this rules can be stretched to the point where school outfits aren't allowed,People of small stature are likely to get the boot even if they physically (Somehow being a unit with a ripped body) and or socially(voice and characteristics) demonstrate traits that betray the idea of them being a child.

[Count_Dandyman]

Origineel geplaatst door sshadowthekid:

Origineel geplaatst door brian9824:

Just because you don't see the reason doesn't make it unjustified. Sometimes its better to err on the side of caution. Othertimes the dev's falsify and lie to steam resulting in a ban of their games. Something that the end user doesn't know about.

Steam also can and has banned games like Rapelay or whatever it was called because it was too controversial, too focused on rape, and at the end of the day its their platform and their decision. Sometimes they might err on the side of caution rather then risk an issue.

Sadly the dev from what i know didn't really go into detail about what asagi in particular was banned for so i honestly can't say you are wrong

Rape day likely wasn't banned because of how controversial it was on paper but god I in all honesty am glad that ren'py game that actually seeked to invite controversy despite how bad it looked overall(not the depictions of rape the game in general).
All that game would have did is make ALL of this much much more complicated with people using it as an example as to why these games shouldn't even be here.
(Edit Unfortunately i actually didn't know the dev actually Admitted it was a troll game)


That being said rape isn't a reason steam bans any game since they would be breaking their own rule as no laws are in place against drawing that.
Most if not all the games are banned because of the child exploitation law.
Problem is with this rules can be stretched to the point where school outfits aren't allowed,People of small stature are likely to get the boot even if they physically (Somehow being a unit with a ripped body) and or socially(voice and characteristics) demonstrate traits that betray the idea of them being a child.

There is a difference between rape happening in a game and a game where that is the entire focus and it is glorified and revelled in as the goal.

Its the same reason games are allowed to contain nazis, racists and other things but games made to promote those views and ideals are not allowed.

[Lebhleb]

Listen i would like a Manhunt 2 on Steam, but that aint happening so ill stick to what i got.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Origineel geplaatst door Lebhleb:

Listen i would like a Manhunt 2 on Steam, but that aint happening so ill stick to what i got.

That has nothing to do with Steam. I can purchase it just fine here.

[Lebhleb]

Origineel geplaatst door cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Origineel geplaatst door Lebhleb:

Listen i would like a Manhunt 2 on Steam, but that aint happening so ill stick to what i got.

That has nothing to do with Steam. I can purchase it just fine here.

:qr:

Yes you can buy Manhunt 2 anywhere, but only first one is on Steam which, kinda is sad.

[Kelthorian]

Origineel geplaatst door Ogami:

Origineel geplaatst door Count_Dandyman:

They already made it clear games focused on rape are not allowed and that and sexual torture is the focus of Taimanin Asagi.

I could list you a dozen other hentai games on the store where rape is the focus and which are sold without a problem.
Again, its Steam and its arbitrary ruling that is the problem.
It also already has affected games that have no porn at all and that got refused by Steam, just because the characters in it had school uniforms.
That makes ZERO sense when on the other hand you have games like Life is Strange 2 that has underage sex in it but apparently since its not a filthy anime game its ok there.

If Steam does not want certain games on the store then that is their right but is it too much to ask to give us CLEAR rules and guidelines what is and what is not allowed?
The current system is just crap, plain and simple.

The Expression Amrilato is a brilliant example.

Bloody hilarious that they had to backtrack on that after publicly getting called out on it.

https://noisypixel.net/valve-rejects-expression-amrilato-delaying-release/

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2019-06-13/mangagamer-releases-the-expression-amrilato-a-yuri-visual-novel-that-teaches-esperanto/.147800

I really like this bit in the above link "Also, MangaGamer has put forth an open invitation to all educational institutions, offering free copies of The Expression: Amrilato to any that are interested in order to help further the study and learning of Esperanto."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expression_Amrilato

"The Japanese Esperanto Institute has collaborated with the developer SukeraSparo to translate Japanese phrases to Esperanto."




Anyways back on topic: Don't expect adult content to arrive on steam uncensored anymore. And ideally don't support such content on a platform that might later ban it anyway if you want to sent a message about unacceptable censorship. Buy it somewhere else where the creators and their creation are respected enough to not face the banhammer and they actually let the free market decide.

Also to anybody bringing in the different laws in world argument. You know steam can region lock and prevent the sale in specific countries right? Asia isn't just Japan or the Americas only the US.

No taste policing..... sure valve.

[NeXuS23]

I guess fantasy characters and real laws made for real persons don't go very well together.

Like too childlike or underage or whatever is very relative if the characters aren't even humans but let say belongs to the race of the ukasumenaki or Xeresaxinikamutanonisamisala or so where as an example they look like childs till they are 1000 years old and then look like young adults till they are 2000 years old or whatever the author defined for his fantasy race.

Like I remember I once saw succubi in some anime looking like 12y old girls but then one of them said that she is 800 years old already. And of course them being succubi also meant they engaged in sexual actvity to get their energy to stay alive.

Btw. The mentioned anime rated 16+ was normally broadcasted on free TV.

[Start_Running]

Steam, is actually quite consistent. The developers of those games just tend to be very dishonest about it.

[voidCaster]

Origineel geplaatst door NeXuS23:

Like I remember I once saw succubi in some anime looking like 12y old girls but then one of them said that she is 800 years old already. And of course them being succubi also meant they engaged in sexual actvity to get their energy to stay alive.

I remember when "Interview With the Vampire" almost got banned for having a 12-year-old Kirsten Dunst play the hundreds of years old child vampire who wanted to get jiggy with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise. The line really isn't that narrow - it's pretty strictly a matter of the fact that pedophiles don't watch or grab Kleenex for the storyline, and anyone who says they didn't think of that during production is a liar.

[north]

Let's hope they change their minds. Taimanin series is sexy as HELL and the world is missing out not being able to experience it as easy as buying from Steam. Dev said it was some nonsense about one of the characters looking too young but pretty sure Yukikaze has her own game which they were not trying to release on Steam. One day we'll get our sexy ninjas bros....

I also keep hoping they make a real crazy action game one day like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, MGR etc..

[Crazy Tiger]

Origineel geplaatst door Start_Running:

Steam, is actually quite consistent. The developers of those games just tend to be very dishonest about it.

It's honestly all irrelevant. It's Valves store, quite simply put it's on them to decide what they do or do not want to sell in their own freaking storefront.

[DallasUnchained]

It's really bad for the RPG Maker community. I mean, we already have a bad rap for people just slapping things together and sticking a price tag on it. Then there are the hentai games made with it that equally seem minimalistic in general.

Which is sad, given that some games that would likely not make it to Steam can be rather impressive. It is kind of bad when I play one with underwhelming gameplay, story and adult content all-in-one and think to myself: "You know, I could probably do all of this better."