Steam reviews. What's the point now?

[Doomerang]

Steam cancels review bombs even days after the game was released, so steam reviews are as credible as rotten tomatoes for me now. People who clearly bought a game paying full price, played the game and wrote a review in a matter of days of release have their reviews removed.
I don't know what's worse, epic and their lack of reviews or steams stance where they manipulate them. If a game has a bad release they can just take away all negative reviews at the cost of the consumer's time and money.

Why even give the option of me writing for a review for a game I paid full price if you can just remove it? I mean, I can sort of understand doing that if a game dev says something controversial and suffers a hate mob, but not 3 days after a games release. For being the supposed consumer platform of choice that sure is anti consumer. At least epic is honest about allowing no reviews.

I'm more open to epic now at least. Before I never even considered epic but steam proved they clearly don't respect my time or money.

[SeriousCCIE]

you lost me with sjw. everything else was good. a better idea may be to just treat him like a normal person regardless of your suspicions.

What is the saying? Better to remain silent and thought a fool? In this case, it sort of makes you look like a jerk -- I at least wouldn't have considered the foolishness were it not for the casual name calling -- but an intelligent one with a compelling argument, at least.

So hey. just keep it on the up and up even if it turns out you're right and he's promoting some belief you don't agree with. social engineering works, you know, but throwing rocks does bring results too, just not the ones that keep people listening.

[ReBoot]

引用自 SeriousCCIE：

So hey. just keep it on the up and up even if it turns out you're right and he's promoting some belief you don't agree with. social engineering works, you know, but throwing rocks does bring results too, just not the ones that keep people listening.

Among the results of throwing rocks is that authorities act against it. During the economic summit in Germany, people enjoyed throwing stones at, among other things, cars belonging to other people and authorities, the police here, had to step in.

Review bombing is indeed rathre comparable to throwing stones and the authority, Valve, had to step in to prevent collateral damage. I am as pissed about BL3's EGS exclusivity as much as the next guy but downvoting BL2 for that reason is stupid at best and downright trolling at worst. It's anarchy for the sake of anarchy, causing unrelated damage because, well, why exactly?

[Start_Running]

引用自 (Im)mortal：

Now let's do a calculation for Starbound. In June/July it had approval rating in the high 90s due to extra 38391 positive reviews (most of which were memes), when the Gran Prix sale started and you could do a super simple quest for sale points. That's 40% of ALL reviews in 1 week for a 3-year old game.

The sale stirred interest in the game. I'm willing to bet you'll see a corresponding rise oin player numbers for the same period.

Now it's at 66% which is too low for this game but it proves that positive off-topic bomb is a thing.

Too low?
WOuldn't it be higher if there was really a positive review bomb?

Several users and mods said that "soda" reviews are not off-topic and fall into the "gray area" and ultimately people responsible decided to leave it alone. Think of this what you want.

You can craft and consume soda in the game. It is an item, its part of the game ergo not off topic.

[Garou]

引用自 Start_Running：

Too low?
WOuldn't it be higher if there was really a positive review bomb?

That's the recent score. Overall score is still very high at 93%.
Remove 38391 off-topic reviews and with 9053 total negative votes out of 57228 remaining reviews you will get an 84% overall rating. Significant difference.

Review "bomb" period was more than 30 days ago, so recent score doesn't reflect any of those anomalous reviews and is back to "normal" i.e. people not wearing rose-tinted glasses after getting easy sale points or posting a meme review to farm upvotes or "funny"s. I think they are overly critical, but that's beside the point.

引用自 Start_Running：

You can craft and consume soda in the game. It is an item, its part of the game ergo not off topic.

Hardly revolutionary gameplay. You can craft hundreds of other items. Crafting is in a ton of other games as well. That alone is not enough to recommend a game.No reason to be ecstatic en masse, especially since this particular crafting was special in the context of summer sale.

May not be strictly off-topic but if you put in the context: when was this review posted, why was it posted, does soda crafting really represent more than 0.01% of what this game is about..you'll see that it has no value in determining whether anyone should buy the game.

I won't recommend Rust just because you can make a wooden spear in it even if during next sale crafting wooden spears instantly gives you a 1000 booster points. There are still many gameplay and multiplayer community issues to consider.

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Edit: looks like Starbound is currently being review bombed for Chucklefish allegedly not paying some of the volunteers who worked on their game. We'll see if that gets picked up by the off-topic algorithm even though there are barely a 100 of these reviews compared to nearly 40 000 low value reviews just a couple months ago.

[Start_Running]

引用自 (Im)mortal：

引用自 Start_Running：

Too low?
WOuldn't it be higher if there was really a positive review bomb?

That's the recent score. Overall score is still very high at 93%.
Remove 38391 off-topic reviews and with 9053 total negative votes out of 57228 remaining reviews you will get an 84% overall rating. Significant difference.

Yeah. the mixed is rather low, apparently there's a recent hissyy fit in the player base. Probably over some update or something.

Review "bomb" period was more than 30 days ago, so recent score doesn't reflect any of those anomalous reviews and is back to "normal" i.e. people not wearing rose-tinted glasses after getting easy sale points or posting a meme review to farm upvotes or "funny"s. I think they are overly critical, but that's beside the point.

And the point of all that is? Again, that there was a spioke in reviews would coprrespond to the spike in players and the fact that one activity quest involvbed leaving a game review. CHances are lots of people just decided to do it for Starbound.

引用自 Start_Running：

You can craft and consume soda in the game. It is an item, its part of the game ergo not off topic.

Hardly revolutionary gameplay.

Irrelevant. Its still part of the game, it is something that appears in tyhe game mechanics and ergo is not off-topic.

You can craft hundreds of other items. Crafting is in a ton of other games as well. That alone is not enough to recommend a game.

Maybe not for you but for others, perhaps.

No reason to be ecstatic en masse, especially since this particular crafting was special in the context of summer sale.

May not be strictly off-topic but if you put in the context: when was this review posted, why was it posted, does soda crafting really represent more than 0.01% of what this game is about..you'll see that it has no value in determining whether anyone should buy the game.

COntext is. It is a part of the game. It is a feature of the gameplay.. ergo not off topic.

I won't recommend Rust just because you can make a wooden spear in it even if during next sale crafting wooden spears instantly gives you a 1000 booster points. There are still many gmeplay and multiplayer community issues to consider.

And you are free to do that in YOUR review.

[Cotivity]

I tend to write reviews for games and experiences I feel may help others either give something a try or to praise a game or dev based on my enjoyment of a product. The OP seems to want to use reviews as a tool to dole out punishment. Why even bother with a review, if you didn't enjoy it? Whats the point...that's right, you want it to affect the developer...You want them to "hear you"...Just move on if an experience isn't to your liking. What sick puppy grudge plays something to completion, just so they can feel validated when leaving a scathing review!?

[AustrAlien2010]

The point is that I enjoy writing a review from time to time.
Better to have it, then not have it.

[The Rock God]

引用自 Cotivity：

I tend to write reviews for games and experiences I feel may help others either give something a try or to praise a game or dev based on my enjoyment of a product. The OP seems to want to use reviews as a tool to dole out punishment. Why even bother with a review, if you didn't enjoy it? Whats the point...that's right, you want it to affect the developer...You want them to "hear you"...Just move on if an experience isn't to your liking. What sick puppy grudge plays something to completion, just so they can feel validated when leaving a scathing review!?

All games should only have 100% positive review scores?
Terrible games should not be given reviews saying they are terrible?

[Radene]

引用自 The Rock God：

引用自 Cotivity：

I tend to write reviews for games and experiences I feel may help others either give something a try or to praise a game or dev based on my enjoyment of a product. The OP seems to want to use reviews as a tool to dole out punishment. Why even bother with a review, if you didn't enjoy it? Whats the point...that's right, you want it to affect the developer...You want them to "hear you"...Just move on if an experience isn't to your liking. What sick puppy grudge plays something to completion, just so they can feel validated when leaving a scathing review!?

All games should only have 100% positive review scores?
Terrible games should not be given reviews saying they are terrible?

They absolutely should!

But in a GAME REVIEW, maybe don't ♥♥♥♥ on a developer because he put pineapple on his pizza or signed an Epic exclusive.

That has nothing to do with the game.

[north]

引用自 Radene：

But in a GAME REVIEW, maybe don't ♥♥♥♥ on a developer because he put pineapple on his pizza or signed an Epic exclusive.

That has nothing to do with the game.

expecting players to install malware to play has everything to do with the game.
another example, devs forcing an sjw agenda in Gears of War 5 is important and for many gamers is a big negative.

[The Rock God]

引用自 north：

引用自 Radene：

But in a GAME REVIEW, maybe don't ♥♥♥♥ on a developer because he put pineapple on his pizza or signed an Epic exclusive.

That has nothing to do with the game.

expecting players to install malware to play has everything to do with the game.
another example, devs forcing an sjw agenda in Gears of War 5 is important and for many gamers is a big negative.

He is mostly referring to giving a bad review to a different game. To use your own example, people who will now go give bad reviews to the first 4 GoW games (and possibly other games from the same developer) because they don't like stuff about 5.

[Radene]

引用自 The Rock God：

引用自 north：

expecting players to install malware to play has everything to do with the game.
another example, devs forcing an sjw agenda in Gears of War 5 is important and for many gamers is a big negative.

He is mostly referring to giving a bad review to a different game. To use your own example, people who will now go give bad reviews to the first 4 GoW games (and possibly other games from the same developer) because they don't like stuff about 5.

Yup. Sure, if some doofus is so unhappy about that GoW5 thing that they leave a negative review of GoW5 for it, fine.

But when they go bomb other games...

[north]

引用自 The Rock God：

He is mostly referring to giving a bad review to a different game. To use your own example, people who will now go give bad reviews to the first 4 GoW games (and possibly other games from the same developer) because they don't like stuff about 5.

well still seems fair to me. if people disagree they can ignore the negative review, but if they agree it's a bad practice and don't want to support the dev/publisher they have the knowledge. reviews are subjective so they can contain just about anything (within reason)

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 north：

引用自 The Rock God：

He is mostly referring to giving a bad review to a different game. To use your own example, people who will now go give bad reviews to the first 4 GoW games (and possibly other games from the same developer) because they don't like stuff about 5.

well still seems fair to me. if people disagree they can ignore the negative review, but if they agree it's a bad practice and don't want to support the dev/publisher they have the knowledge. reviews are subjective so they can contain just about anything (within reason)

Except that a review for a GoW 4 should not be about GoW 5. It's off-topic.

[The Rock God]

引用自 north：

引用自 The Rock God：

He is mostly referring to giving a bad review to a different game. To use your own example, people who will now go give bad reviews to the first 4 GoW games (and possibly other games from the same developer) because they don't like stuff about 5.

well still seems fair to me. if people disagree they can ignore the negative review, but if they agree it's a bad practice and don't want to support the dev/publisher they have the knowledge. reviews are subjective so they can contain just about anything (within reason)

So if I go find a games review site and leave a review for F/A-18 Interceptor that says "marketing lootboxes to children is wrong!!!" you would consider that a "fair" review of a 31 year old game?