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RDR 2 Steam delay shows that publishers can treat Steam users like crap because Valve won't do anything
Steam's becoming a joke. 1 month delay and you allow it? Unless you do something PC gaming will return to 2007.
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Автор сообщения: The White Raven
As far as i know every game with a sequel or a presequel dosen't really need to play what comes before even if it complete your experience for sure... it's nice to see Marston around knowing what will come next for him, and it is also nice to see the gang wich Marston was a former member in first person... this is the same for many other titles. Anyway taking a look better in rdr2 rockstar page, it seems that multiplayer will be awesome too, something that really worth to play! Guess it could be the first time where i'll focus all the free roaming activities on multi instead of single player. Such a pity we had to wait that long.

TBH if i would know that they would release this year on PC i would have not bought it on PS4.

eh...tricky ground indeed, i almost risked to buy a PS just to play it, luckly i wasn't that ♥♥♥♥♥♥... it wouldn't worth knowing that the next year new consolles will be out and if you ask me, it never worth to buy a consolle to me...PC always outmatch them... they are even with it when they come out brand new, not even superior, and they start to lose ground very soon...ofc they cost very much lesser than an high end PC... an high end pc can last yrs tho, being at the top for a much longer time...
Anyway i might be wrong but never saw such a work on a game lately... i'm speaking about all the stuffs they did and they do on their website, making it looking as much real as they can... take a look at the online game shop...
Отредактировано The White Raven; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 13:35
Автор сообщения: Ganger
Автор сообщения: north


nice one that's very good to hear.

May I ask this question... Do some people even take this into account before buying into the second title of any IP ? Just wandering as this has never ever crossed my mind personally when buying a number 2/3/4 title in any series.
I can't speak for others, but occassionally I do. I just look up whether it's an actual series or whether they're games who merely share a title. It also depends on genre, of course.
Автор сообщения: Ganger
May I ask this question... Do some people even take this into account before buying into the second title of any IP ? Just wandering as this has never ever crossed my mind personally when buying a number 2/3/4 title in any series.
yes, for the same reason I don't skip the first movie in a series or read the last book in a series. why would you watch Star Wars 9 if you never watched anything before it? or read last Harry Potter if you never read any other? games are no different if there is a story involved.
Автор сообщения: The White Raven
Автор сообщения: VaiTaPro

TBH if i would know that they would release this year on PC i would have not bought it on PS4.

eh...tricky ground indeed, i almost risked to buy a PS just to play it, luckly i wasn't that ♥♥♥♥♥♥... it wouldn't worth knowing that the next year new consolles will be out and if you ask me, it never worth to buy a consolle to me...PC always outmatch them... they are even with it when they come out brand new, not even superior, and they start to lose ground very soon...ofc they cost very much lesser than an high end PC... an high end pc can last yrs tho, being at the top for a much longer time...
Anyway i might be wrong but never saw such a work on a game lately... i'm speaking about all the stuffs they did and they do on their website, making it looking as much real as they can... take a look at the online game shop...

I only own consoles for the exclusives and i hate time exclusives, if i know that the game will come to PC i always prefer to wait (i know they going to get me again with Final Fantasy VII but what can we do).

RDR 2 is going to be great on PC mainly the shooting with K/M but because i own it already i'm not going to buy it day 1 and certainly not full price (not even if it's half price on epic lol), but if i would know about the PC release i would have wait and buy on Rockstar day 1 (like i did with GTA V) the game is a master piece.
Автор сообщения: Ganger
Автор сообщения: Tito Shivan

Even when they're part of a series games are always designed as standalone pieces of entertainment.

Otherwise no one could ever play a Resident Evil game, or an Elder Scrolls one.

Just this above.....

Anyway; does anyone here know of any title that requires the gamer to play the first game first ? I been gaming for 40 years and can't think of any game on the top of my head that does this..

the metal gear solid games ...if you havent played the earlier ones no way can you understand whats going on in the plot. prince of persia was pretty similiar.

but "requires"... thats a tricky word. requires is like you NEED to own the first game in order to play the second or else the second will just refuse to install without some code from the first.

i realize for many people NEED and WANT or even SHOULD are often confused but they are most definitely different things.
Автор сообщения: VaiTaPro
Автор сообщения: The White Raven

eh...tricky ground indeed, i almost risked to buy a PS just to play it, luckly i wasn't that ♥♥♥♥♥♥... it wouldn't worth knowing that the next year new consolles will be out and if you ask me, it never worth to buy a consolle to me...PC always outmatch them... they are even with it when they come out brand new, not even superior, and they start to lose ground very soon...ofc they cost very much lesser than an high end PC... an high end pc can last yrs tho, being at the top for a much longer time...
Anyway i might be wrong but never saw such a work on a game lately... i'm speaking about all the stuffs they did and they do on their website, making it looking as much real as they can... take a look at the online game shop...

I only own consoles for the exclusives and i hate time exclusives, if i know that the game will come to PC i always prefer to wait (i know they going to get me again with Final Fantasy VII but what can we do).

RDR 2 is going to be great on PC mainly the shooting with K/M but because i own it already i'm not going to buy it day 1 and certainly not full price (not even if it's half price on epic lol), but if i would know about the PC release i would have wait and buy on Rockstar day 1 (like i did with GTA V) the game is a master piece.
same here. its a great game. but i paid TONS to get it on console on day one. not repeating that...
Luckly i can resist to consolle exclusives, even if i know i miss very good games from time to time like it was with the last of us and like it will be with the last of us 2. That's why i really dislike those exclusive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coming on PC too... Still hoping to see state of decay 2 on steam one day...and luckly i'm not in that rush to get borderlands 3... exclusives on consolles are even more stupid btw, they really lose a lot of money publishing only on their own device... or maybe i am not fully aware about how many people is willing to buy a consolle just for few games... let me be clear, i see nothing bad in doing it, to me is just a waste of too much money given the time i would use them... well anyway guys take solace thinking that pc pricing is getting closer and closer to consolles pricing... i expect red dead will be about 59 euros... some yrs ago a top notch game was not more than 50...
I'm also aware about people going to buy it again on pc to enjoy it in UHD even on day 1... let be honest, we gamers can be worse than junkies...
Отредактировано The White Raven; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 14:53
Автор сообщения: north
yes, for the same reason I don't skip the first movie in a series or read the last book in a series. why would you watch Star Wars 9 if you never watched anything before it? or read last Harry Potter if you never read any other? games are no different if there is a story involved.
Many people's first contact with JRR Tolkien was The Lord of the Rings not The Hobbit, despite The Hobbit telling crucial parts and characters of what's involved in LotR
Let's not forget the people for whom the first contact with Star Wars was Episode I, or even episode 7.

And not everybody who's ever read comics had a first contact being the beginning of a saga (Or even the first number of the series)

For the average Joe, the first contact with a saga isn't usually the first installment of it.

Even when part of a saga and containing parts of a grand scheme or over-arching storyline every episode/book/movie is self-contained and can be enjoyed as such. Then there's the people whom they'll walk that extra mile to read/watch/play things in order for the bigger picture. But that's not necessarily everybody.
Автор сообщения: The White Raven
Luckly i can resist to consolle exclusives, even if i know i miss very good games from time to time like it was with the last of us and like it will be with the last of us 2. That's why i really dislike those exclusive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coming on PC too... Still hoping to see state of decay 2 on steam one day...and luckly i'm not in that rush to get borderlands 3... exclusives on consolles are even more stupid btw, they really lose a lot of money publishing only on their own device... or maybe i am not fully aware about how many people is willing to buy a consolle just for few games... let me be clear, i see nothing bad in doing it, to me is just a waste of too much money given the time i would use them... well anyway guys take solace thinking that pc pricing is getting closer and closer to consolles pricing... i expect red dead will be about 59 euros... some yrs ago a top notch game was not more than 50...
I'm also aware about people going to buy it again on pc to enjoy it in UHD even on day 1... let be honest, we gamers can be worse than junkies...

You miss so many good games (i put more than 70 hours on Days Gone) and yes many player's are ''junkies'' (me included) but thanks to epic and the pubs. who signed deals with them my addictiveness as dropped significantly lately, not really the case with RDR 2 but even a month is enough to not bother supporting epic or Rockstar day 1 full price.

Автор сообщения: VaiTaPro
Автор сообщения: The White Raven
Luckly i can resist to consolle exclusives, even if i know i miss very good games from time to time like it was with the last of us and like it will be with the last of us 2. That's why i really dislike those exclusive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coming on PC too... Still hoping to see state of decay 2 on steam one day...and luckly i'm not in that rush to get borderlands 3... exclusives on consolles are even more stupid btw, they really lose a lot of money publishing only on their own device... or maybe i am not fully aware about how many people is willing to buy a consolle just for few games... let me be clear, i see nothing bad in doing it, to me is just a waste of too much money given the time i would use them... well anyway guys take solace thinking that pc pricing is getting closer and closer to consolles pricing... i expect red dead will be about 59 euros... some yrs ago a top notch game was not more than 50...
I'm also aware about people going to buy it again on pc to enjoy it in UHD even on day 1... let be honest, we gamers can be worse than junkies...

You miss so many good games (i put more than 70 hours on Days Gone) and yes many player's are ''junkies'' (me included) but thanks to epic and the pubs. who signed deals with them my addictiveness as dropped significantly lately, not really the case with RDR 2 but even a month is enough to not bother supporting epic or Rockstar day 1 full price.

That's true, that's why i skipped state of decay 2, and this isn't even the worst case. ♥♥♥♥ yeah i had completely forget days gone i remember i followed that game for a long time and if i had the chance i would gladly still play it.. See, another nonsense exclusive... i really do not understand why refusing to take a lot more of good cash by keeping a game on just 1 consolle...At least microsoft is taking a step in the good direction, see gears of war... and this time they published it on steam too... another good mistery here... sod2 not on steam and gears yes, from the day 1...
Отредактировано The White Raven; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 15:21
Автор сообщения: Tito Shivan
Автор сообщения: north
yes, for the same reason I don't skip the first movie in a series or read the last book in a series. why would you watch Star Wars 9 if you never watched anything before it? or read last Harry Potter if you never read any other? games are no different if there is a story involved.
Many people's first contact with JRR Tolkien was The Lord of the Rings not The Hobbit, despite The Hobbit telling crucial parts and characters of what's involved in LotR
Let's not forget the people for whom the first contact with Star Wars was Episode I, or even episode 7.

And not everybody who's ever read comics had a first contact being the beginning of a saga (Or even the first number of the series)

For the average Joe, the first contact with a saga isn't usually the first installment of it.

Even when part of a saga and containing parts of a grand scheme or over-arching storyline every episode/book/movie is self-contained and can be enjoyed as such. Then there's the people whom they'll walk that extra mile to read/watch/play things in order for the bigger picture. But that's not necessarily everybody.

For me Star Wars IV - V - VI will always be I - II - III.
Автор сообщения: The White Raven
Автор сообщения: VaiTaPro

You miss so many good games (i put more than 70 hours on Days Gone) and yes many player's are ''junkies'' (me included) but thanks to epic and the pubs. who signed deals with them my addictiveness as dropped significantly lately, not really the case with RDR 2 but even a month is enough to not bother supporting epic or Rockstar day 1 full price.

That's true, that's why i skipped state of decay 2, and this isn't even the worst case. ♥♥♥♥ yeah i had completely forget days gone i remember i followed that game for a long time and if i had the chance i would gladly still play it.. See, another nonsense exclusive... i really do not understand why refusing to take a lot more of good cash by keeping a game on just 1 consolle...At least microsoft is taking a step in the good direction, see gears of war... and this time they published it on steam too... another good mistery here... sod2 not on steam and gears yes, from the day 1...

Sony only keep exclusives because they want to keep milking the Monthly fees, it's really sad when you see games like Days Gone being forced downgrade to be able to run on a console instead of running far greatly on PC.

I bought State of Decay 2 day 1, it's good but not what i expected, let's say you are not missing anything revolutionary.

Indeed what Microsoft is doing is really weird, nice but still weird.
Here is the reason why the game comes 1 month later on Steam

https://i.imgur.com/PmDL9dO.jpg

Publishers like Deep Silver dont care about the Steam agreements this shows what a joke Valve has become.
Автор сообщения: Dark Angel
Here is the reason why the game comes 1 month later on Steam

https://i.imgur.com/PmDL9dO.jpg

Publishers like Deep Silver dont care about the Steam agreements this shows what a joke Valve has become.
Oh no, Steam not enforcing, or suing publishers, and devs for not following their rules.... Let's send a very angry email, and harass them for not bullying, or doing what we wanted....

Автор сообщения: Ganger
Автор сообщения: north


nice one that's very good to hear.

May I ask this question... Do some people even take this into account before buying into the second title of any IP ? Just wandering as this has never ever crossed my mind personally when buying a number 2/3/4 title in any series.
What kind of bugs me is if is a prequel, why call it 2, shouldn't it have a name, or something to suggest it's before the 1st game, and not after the 1st game.
Отредактировано Dr.Shadowds 🐉; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 16:14
Автор сообщения: VaiTaPro
Автор сообщения: The White Raven

That's true, that's why i skipped state of decay 2, and this isn't even the worst case. ♥♥♥♥ yeah i had completely forget days gone i remember i followed that game for a long time and if i had the chance i would gladly still play it.. See, another nonsense exclusive... i really do not understand why refusing to take a lot more of good cash by keeping a game on just 1 consolle...At least microsoft is taking a step in the good direction, see gears of war... and this time they published it on steam too... another good mistery here... sod2 not on steam and gears yes, from the day 1...

Sony only keep exclusives because they want to keep milking the Monthly fees, it's really sad when you see games like Days Gone being forced downgrade to be able to run on a console instead of running far greatly on PC.

I bought State of Decay 2 day 1, it's good but not what i expected, let's say you are not missing anything revolutionary.

Indeed what Microsoft is doing is really weird, nice but still weird.

Well this what i was guessing, that's why i didn't buy it... ofc it's not the same with rdr2...
Well the point is they can still get monthly fees by publishing their games on other platforms... We are still talking about sony, probably their cut about gaming is small in their big picture considering how many other things they sell...so why don't increase it? We are lucky there are many others devs with great titles thinking differently... Rockstar could be among them, as soon as they stop dealying games on pc and giving exclusives... in the end, i'm wondering why i still end thinking about cd project as the best guys out there in terms of games, contents, dlc and so on...
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