Why can't we sell games?

[Another Panda]

Isn't selling a game on steam the same as selling a physical copy of the game?

[Syndicake ☠]

Which is a win win since if it's bad and has too much DLC you can just sell the base game on to the next sucker and buy something you like instead.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

why would I buy a used copy when we already get most game with huge discount with a little patience ? you often get games that are not even 2 years old with over 50% in discount.

[Syndicake ☠]

Why spend a little patience when you can spend no patience?
Why don't you just go to a store and buy a physical copy that you can resell?

Because some games don't have physical copies and are purely sold on steam. This is about consumer rights.

[Mivo]

The inability to re-sell digital copies of games, music, and books, is one of the biggest victories of the media industry over consumers.

The used market (for all of those things) had always been a thorn in the side of the industry and they whined ceaselessly about it before digital distribution was a thing. How it hurt them, how it was bad for their profit -- and they had always looked for ways to suppress it or make it go away.

It is bizarre that it all worked out in favor of the industry, and that we all accept it, even find it normal that we pay for something that, when we are done with it or don't like it, can't resell. Even more so because the prices remained the same (even though middlemen were cut out and costs for physical production and distribution no longer applied), unless there are sales (which existed for physical products also, e.g. discount bins).

Both in the e-book and video game market the discounts have gotten gradually worse in the past few years, because the digital distribution method is now accepted and established, and there is no longer any need to make it tasty or attractive for customers to waive the ability to resell the very type of products they once were able to resell.

It's the price of instant gratification and convenience. But it's a fundamental anti-consumer practice nonetheless.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

I'm pretty sure that even if we could sell our game valve would eventually take a large cut from the sales for themselves and for the developers in order to make profits from second hand sales , there is no reason they would implement the system if it was just to lose money.

[Syndicake ☠]

Because you didn't read my suggestion that Steam could monetize second hand sales by taking a handling / transaction fee. Like saying 'Oh you can resell your games but you have to pay us an apology fee.'

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por Syndicake ☠:

Which is a win win since if it's bad and has too much DLC you can just sell the base game on to the next sucker and buy something you like instead.

that sounds quite irresponsible

[Syndicake ☠]

That's capitalism, baby.

[Mivo]

Publicado originalmente por Lemonfed:

I'm pretty sure that even if we could sell our game valve would eventually take a large cut from the sales for themselves and for the developers in order to make profits from second hand sales , there is no reason they would implement the system if it was just to lose money.

There would be nothing wrong with Valve taking a fee for providing the service.

But this is not the kind of change we can expect to voluntarily get from Valve or any other company who would lose profit. If a change like this ever manifests, it will be the results of regulations. I'm sure the EU court's recommendation to policy makers on this topic has already been posted in this thread.

[Syndicake ☠]

It's a gameplay negative that is already happening and continuing to bury your head in the sand won't fix anything. We must make room for progress and allow reselling to occur. They made a great deal of noise about giving modders the power to sell their stuff, why not let customers resell their games?

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

In the end I still think the second hands game would either be too much expensive for peoples to even think about buying them or too cheap for the developers to really make enough money from it thus pushing them to microtransaction games instead one payment games.

[Equip Monk]

I find it a bit silly that anyone here would be worried about their right to sell a game copy. The point of buying a used copy is to save money off the original purchase price, right? But everything here is so ridiculously cheap. I do not understand how resale can even be a concern.

[Syndicake ☠]

They already made microtransactions resellable via the steam market integration. On some games like rust, nobody cared much about that.

[Syndicake ☠]

When will you admit that is a blatant assertion?

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

yeah but now pretty much any serious game developers would feel ''forced'' to have microtransaction in their game to sustain themselve if second hand copies where to take too much profits from their sales. you would have the majority of the new games that would have them instead of just a moderate portion of the market.

Publicado originalmente por Syndicake ☠:

They already made microtransactions resellable via the steam market integration. On some games like rust, nobody cared much about that.