So many awful games.

[Vara]

Took a look through the Steam store. Wow. That was terrible.

It would appear that recently we've struck quite a bump, a bump in gaming quality versus quantity. Hentai, Early Access, and the awful Indie Game Market manifesting nothing but broken, below par, and pricy games with little content. For a while it's been clear that Valve doesn't want top of the line quality ganes filling their stores, but is instead focusing more towards quantity over quality.

I, for one, would happily remove hundreds of games from the Steam market if I had even the slightest chance. Staring with the hundreds of Hentai/Anime games that completely plauge the market. Afterwards, I'd completely remove Early Access entirely; Early Access developers have no reason to finish a game if it's already sold thousands of copies. In short, Early Access just doesn't work. It's like pizza: The devs make the pizza half baked and 'promise' to bake the other half, but never do. They just give you a half finished pizza for the full price.

It's so revolting to see promises broke right before your eyes and that game you were promised turn into something so disgusting you can't even stomach it. Make it so you can refund an EA game ANYTIME, that'd fix it quick and make this greedy devs work. I'd also make sure those Indie game creators are placed under a heavy thumb so they can't release their foul 'games' anymore.

What are your thoughts? Tell me!

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Darren eredeti hozzászólása:

If my friend is showing me a bad game it is likely for the same reason he would be showing me a bad movie because it is entertainingly bad.

I can't see why the barrier for entry into games development should be higher than other creative fields which means like books can be listed on Amazon without a publisher, games can be listed on Steam without one.

Are these all necessarily good? Hell no but that is something the consumer can work out from reviews, gameplay videos, and actually crticially analysing the game. They also have the refund policy asa safety net just in case they still make a decision they regret

well, your friends probably are very busy, since there's a load of these bad games nowadays...

[Hans Blitz]

I agree, too many bad games are killing this platform. I don't think anyone is even regulating what is showing up on the platform. Half these games aren't even games, more erotic Manga cartoons that are sick, pedo's like them and they should be removed!
I don't want to see sex pest games on steam! and least of all advertised too me. Your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Grubs Valve! You keep trying to sell me this filth i'll take you to court!

[HidekoYamamoto94]

Blackrain eredeti hozzászólása:

Half these games aren't even games, more erotic Manga cartoons that are sick, pedo's like them and they should be removed!
I don't want to see sex pest games on steam!

Lots of Anime games that is on Steam are not erotic / pedo games (for example Tales Of, Clannad, Final Fantasy, Megadimension Neptunia and so on...)
And games with sex scenes are generally not allowed on Steam.

Erotic games that already have tags like "Sexual Content" and "Erotic"
But non-Erotic Games don't have these tags.

There is also one big difference: Games that includes Girls with large bust size must not already be an erotic game..

[Start_Running]

Darren eredeti hozzászólása:

If my friend is showing me a bad game it is likely for the same reason he would be showing me a bad movie because it is entertainingly bad.

I can't see why the barrier for entry into games development should be higher than other creative fields which means like books can be listed on Amazon without a publisher, games can be listed on Steam without one.

Which is why amazon publishing outsold all but 2 of the big 6 last year. In terms of number of books and the revenue.

Are these all necessarily good? Hell no but that is something the consumer can work out from reviews, gameplay videos, and actually crticially analysing the game. They also have the refund policy asa safety net just in case they still make a decision they regret

Good is a subjective term. In entertainment products, all that means is that the product supplied an entertainment value worth the cost and time.

As said. Whart irks people and the gaming media, since they are the ones that are megaphoning this sentiment, is that it has become much harder for them to pick the 'it' stories and they don't want to miss out on the next hot thing.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Darren eredeti hozzászólása:

If my friend is showing me a bad game it is likely for the same reason he would be showing me a bad movie because it is entertainingly bad.

I can't see why the barrier for entry into games development should be higher than other creative fields which means like books can be listed on Amazon without a publisher, games can be listed on Steam without one.

Which is why amazon publishing outsold all but 2 of the big 6 last year. In terms of number of books and the revenue.

Are these all necessarily good? Hell no but that is something the consumer can work out from reviews, gameplay videos, and actually crticially analysing the game. They also have the refund policy asa safety net just in case they still make a decision they regret

Good is a subjective term. In entertainment products, all that means is that the product supplied an entertainment value worth the cost and time.

As said. Whart irks people and the gaming media, since they are the ones that are megaphoning this sentiment, is that it has become much harder for them to pick the 'it' stories and they don't want to miss out on the next hot thing.

Or they're struggling to find good books in a sea of dross.

S.x.

[Darren]

If they are struggling to find the good games they need more people doing the sorting. If they don't there is always someone else out there that might be and they can lose viewers/readers to.

[(banned)]

//// eredeti hozzászólása:

it's like, steam is feeding neighborhood kids with illusions that they are real game developers. it's like some sick sect and it's too much, imo.

Why. Why is it a problem that now *anyone* can be a game developer?

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mudlord eredeti hozzászólása:

//// eredeti hozzászólása:

it's like, steam is feeding neighborhood kids with illusions that they are real game developers. it's like some sick sect and it's too much, imo.

Why. Why is it a problem that now *anyone* can be a game developer?

it's not cosplay?

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

mudlord eredeti hozzászólása:

//// eredeti hozzászólása:

it's like, steam is feeding neighborhood kids with illusions that they are real game developers. it's like some sick sect and it's too much, imo.

Why. Why is it a problem that now *anyone* can be a game developer?

Anyone CAN be a developer. Not everyone can be a good developer, though.

We've always had bad games, Early Access just shines the light on them. Prior to that, it was the publishers who trudged through the sea of terrible games. Now anyone willing to throw away a few dollars can do this.

[Tito Shivan]

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

Anyone CAN be a developer. Not everyone can be a good developer, though.

Anyone CAN be a Musician. Not everyone can be a good musician, though.
Anyone CAN be a director. Not everyone can be a good direcotor, though.
Anyone CAN be a artist. Not everyone can be a good artist, though.
Anyone CAN be a critic. Not everyone can be a good critic, though.

World is massively mediocre.

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

We've always had bad games, Early Access just shines the light on them. Prior to that, it was the publishers who trudged through the sea of terrible games. Now anyone willing to throw away a few dollars can do this.

More like publishers published what they thought it'd make them money and tossed the rest, then tried to sell it like 'the best'
Tell me that Bananarama was something that was the result of 'trudging through the sea of terrible'

The internet has changed the entertainment panorama from a one of false scarcity (Books, movies, music, TV shows... were produced in one direction -from publishers to customers-) into a multidirectional market (publishers produce to customers, but customers also produce to customers) and one where the means of production have a negligible barrier (ANYONE can film something, record something, publish something)

Of course that means a lot of mediocrity is being produced. But also that a lot of good products are getting a market that wouldn't have had if they had to rely on the old way of distributing and selling content. How many great youtubers wouldn't have been ever known if they had to rely solely on TV and media publishers to have their work distributed on TV? How many projects have been exclusively financed by their consumers that would have never seen the light of day if an old producer/distributor to invest that money?

Life has changed, so has the way entertainment is produced and consumed.

[Radene]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

Of course that means a lot of mediocrity is being produced. But also that a lot of good products are getting a market that wouldn't have had if they had to rely on the old way of distributing and selling content. How many great youtubers wouldn't have been ever known if they had to rely solely on TV and media publishers to have their work distributed on TV? How many projects have been exclusively financed by their consumers that would have never seen the light of day if an old producer/distributor to invest that money?

As Sturgeron's Law goes, "90% of everything is crap."

The problem is that we, the people simply can't seem to agree on which 10% isn't.

[Tito Shivan]

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

The problem is that we, the people simply can't seem to agree on which 10% isn't.

Most people are comfortable in having someone else telling them 'what's good' Problem is no one is going to agree with a critic 100% of the times.
Hence why 'curating' stuff at a storefront level has it's problems.
If you have the full spectrum to choose, you're always going to find something you like.
If someone 'cuts' that spectrum, it's a matter of time until you notice something you want 'it's not there'

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

Anyone CAN be a developer. Not everyone can be a good developer, though.

Anyone CAN be a Musician. Not everyone can be a good musician, though.
Anyone CAN be a director. Not everyone can be a good direcotor, though.
Anyone CAN be a artist. Not everyone can be a good artist, though.
Anyone CAN be a critic. Not everyone can be a good critic, though.

World is massively mediocre.

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

We've always had bad games, Early Access just shines the light on them. Prior to that, it was the publishers who trudged through the sea of terrible games. Now anyone willing to throw away a few dollars can do this.

More like publishers published what they thought it'd make them money and tossed the rest, then tried to sell it like 'the best'
Tell me that Bananarama was something that was the result of 'trudging through the sea of terrible'

The internet has changed the entertainment panorama from a one of false scarcity (Books, movies, music, TV shows... were produced in one direction -from publishers to customers-) into a multidirectional market (publishers produce to customers, but customers also produce to customers) and one where the means of production have a negligible barrier (ANYONE can film something, record something, publish something)

Of course that means a lot of mediocrity is being produced. But also that a lot of good products are getting a market that wouldn't have had if they had to rely on the old way of distributing and selling content. How many great youtubers wouldn't have been ever known if they had to rely solely on TV and media publishers to have their work distributed on TV? How many projects have been exclusively financed by their consumers that would have never seen the light of day if an old producer/distributor to invest that money?

Life has changed, so has the way entertainment is produced and consumed.

I agree, I have nothing against Early Access. I think it's a great platfrom for users to discover software that otherwise would most likely never happen. What I mean is that while there may be loads of mediocre developers, ther are loads of great developers waiting to be "discovered". Early Access is their answer.

Anyone can be whatever they want; artist, musician or developer-- but it takes a little more to be successful (in terms of mediocrity) than just releasing "anything".

Before Early Access, the mediocrity (while most likely not as numerous) was still there, it just wasn't as public. Early Access gave an avenue to these great, and even some mediocre, folks to display their work that otherwise most likely would have gone unknown before.

I think people can be a bit too critical of these fledgling developers. I'd love for everything that's on Greenlight, Early Access or Steam to be great games or even "okay" games-- but that will never happen. There will always be failures or projects that fail to deliver....but that doesn't mean anyone within that platform will follow suit. I feel like a large group of people have a false image of the situation.

[Radene]

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

Anyone can be whatever they want; artist, musician or developer-- but it takes a little more to be successful (in terms of mediocrity) than just releasing "anything".

Again I'll point out that as thge general public, there's no consensus on what is or isn't "mediocre", so in terms of "success" we seem to default to judging by the profits they make.

For example, I figured "Showering with your dad simulator" was unworthy of attention, as in, "much worse than merely meidocre" as a concept, but many people seemed to have disagreed with me....

[BlackSpawn]

Hence, rather than quality I think Steam / Valve should concentrate on handling scams, misuses and abuses of the programs (early access, in particular), voting systems, misleading statements and adverts of the titles in the platform and other unsavory, anticonsumer business practices.

At least, that way, even if the games included in the platform are unadulterated ♥♥♥♥♥, at least they wont be frank scams, alphas for the cashgrab, early access with DLC and monetization abuse, titles that claim to be compatible with linux or MAC but they are not and other bullcrappery that is currently COMMONPLACE on the Steam store.