Why is Steam full of rubbish games at the top

[arcanefrostf]

I mean why the F*** is a card game and a porn simulator at the top of the list?

What happened to the AAA games at the top with extensive storylines and hundreds of hours of gameplay? where are the proper real games. Anyone remember the days when TF2, GTA V, CIV IV, HL2 etc... were at the top, and any other game that really emotionally involved the gamer. Now its laser shooting rts card game simulator bull****.

I mean outlast 2 was just released, but I didn't see any single front page review of it in steam.
These developers put SO MUCH hard work into their games and dont get a mention, while a card game that takes 20 minutes to make does...

[Reported.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

It's the main problem I've argued with the quantity of scum ware/ shovel ware, fake games coming onto Steam. It's hard to find the good ones.

S.x.

Thats fake news, fake games are just as much games as everything else.

Games you like != games others like.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mudlord:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

It's the main problem I've argued with the quantity of scum ware/ shovel ware, fake games coming onto Steam. It's hard to find the good ones.

S.x.

Thats fake news, fake games are just as much games as everything else.

Games you like != games others like.

Bearing in mind that "fake games" was a term used by Steam themselves to describe these games and that they are actively taking steps to counter it's not "fake news". It describes games put together with minimal time and minimal effort and minimal competency to give away thousands of keys and then turn money on the card sales.

S.x.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jolly:

Complain to the console peasant overlords about their exclusives. Some of the recent and/or upcoming big games are exclusive to one peasant platform or another.

Other than that, if you already own a lot of AAA games then there's not a whole lot Steam can show you when there are no new AAA games around.

I do find a lot of it silly. The hentai/jrpg pseudo games for dorks that'll never get laid aren't something I'm interested in buying - ever. I'm also not likely to buy games from the 90's that I already played back on my 3rd PC 20 years ago. I've viewed so many queues that it's gotten to be comical the nonsense they stick in there for me now.

Also complain to EA and Blizzard and Ubisoft.

But yeah, like you suggested, if there are no more AAA games, then you won't see them. The queues go from more famous to more obscure, so the chancws of you finding something to your loking are almost certainly decreasing the more of them you go through -- all you'd end up doing, rather than discovering the proverbial "hidden gem", is to confirm that you're not interested in the rest of what the store has right now.

[Satoru]

Note "stuff I don't like" != "shovelware"

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

Note "stuff I don't like" != "shovelware"

You must have used exactly the same meme over one hundred times.

Things I do not like does not equate to shovelware. There are several games to which I have given negative reviews that were clearly not shovelware.

Equally Chicken Invaders V is not light years away from being shovelware - it's a 2 D shooter in the vein of Space invaders, Galaxians, and R-type. There are many, many similar games on the net. But it's bright, colourful, done well.

Steam call them "fake games". They're the games made with minimal effort and minimal competency that were making most of their income from card drops after giving away thousands of keys.

S.x.

[Tux]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von arcanefrostf:

I mean why the F*** is a card game and a porn simulator at the top of the list?

What happened to the AAA games at the top with extensive storylines and hundreds of hours of gameplay? where are the proper real games. Anyone remember the days when TF2, GTA V, CIV IV, HL2 etc... were at the top, and any other game that really emotionally involved the gamer. Now its laser shooting rts card game simulator bull****.

I mean outlast 2 was just released, but I didn't see any single front page review of it in steam.
These developers put SO MUCH hard work into their games and dont get a mention, while a card game that takes 20 minutes to make does...

I like 'AAA games with extensive storylines' about as much as I like anima Porn games.

I want games like this one to show up (either way yes the game searching/browsing/trolling feature needs improving)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/363360/Interstellar_Rift/

[gusgreco7]

There is a thin line between AAA and some very well done indie games. For instance outlast franchise is neither an AAA nor an indie game. Many games fall in that category and i mostly prefer those , since they have good production values and fresh ideas in the same time, meaning less boring than a generic AAA game. Ofcourse there are always indie games that are fantastic, like inside and the final station that i just finished and enjoyed so much.
As for AAAs prey is the last one on steam, but generally there are many games one can test a 4k system (and get disappointed because they won't be able to keep constantly 60fps), don't need to write down titles, but it's easy to find them (by publisher best, go to square, ubisoft, ea etc).

[Satoru]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

You must have used exactly the same meme over one hundred times.

And when you keep equating things you don't like with shovelware then you won't have to hear it will you.

Things I do not like does not equate to shovelware. There are several games to which I have given negative reviews that were clearly not shovelware.

I'm noting a distinct lack of how steam is being 'flooded' with shovelware as you claim. You finidng a game you don't like has nothing to do with that.

Steam call them "fake games". They're the games made with minimal effort and minimal competency that were making most of their income from card drops after giving away thousands of keys.

S.x.

Note that

1) Steam doesn't actually care about these supposed fake games
2) They are certainly not flooding the store
3) In order to actually make supposed 'money' off of this scheme requires thousands of copies all simultaneously dumping all cards AND selling all of them. Even in this super ideal situation, you can barely make enough money to recover the Greenlight fee. The idea of people making money off cards is mostly baseless becauase its impossible to actually recover the greenlight fee
4) Steam's issue with them is how they skew the ratings. They don't really care about the card farming aspect because its not a pervasive problem and you they don't make neough money to make it worth while. People just 'try' but the math never actually adds up.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Didn't Valve actually put out a statement condemning card farming? If so, I'd presume it's a big enough deal for them to care.

[Messy]

porn simulator. lol. judging books by their cover.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

You must have used exactly the same meme over one hundred times.

And when you keep equating things you don't like with shovelware then you won't have to hear it will you.

Things I do not like does not equate to shovelware. There are several games to which I have given negative reviews that were clearly not shovelware.

I'm noting a distinct lack of how steam is being 'flooded' with shovelware as you claim. You finidng a game you don't like has nothing to do with that.

Steam call them "fake games". They're the games made with minimal effort and minimal competency that were making most of their income from card drops after giving away thousands of keys.

S.x.

Note that

1) Steam doesn't actually care about these supposed fake games
2) They are certainly not flooding the store
3) In order to actually make supposed 'money' off of this scheme requires thousands of copies all simultaneously dumping all cards AND selling all of them. Even in this super ideal situation, you can barely make enough money to recover the Greenlight fee. The idea of people making money off cards is mostly baseless becauase its impossible to actually recover the greenlight fee
4) Steam's issue with them is how they skew the ratings. They don't really care about the card farming aspect because its not a pervasive problem and you they don't make neough money to make it worth while. People just 'try' but the math never actually adds up.

1) Yes they do. They issued a release about it.
2) Yes they are. 80% of the games on Steam were added in the last two years.

I see a distant ancestor (not direct linear obviously) stood on the deck ot the Titanic haranguing panicing passengers. "The ship CAN'T be sinking. It says here in the guide that the ship is unsinkable. Can't you read ?".

The change is already on its way Satoru. The only query left is when and how.

S.x.

[Tux]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

And when you keep equating things you don't like with shovelware then you won't have to hear it will you.



I'm noting a distinct lack of how steam is being 'flooded' with shovelware as you claim. You finidng a game you don't like has nothing to do with that.



Note that

1) Steam doesn't actually care about these supposed fake games
2) They are certainly not flooding the store
3) In order to actually make supposed 'money' off of this scheme requires thousands of copies all simultaneously dumping all cards AND selling all of them. Even in this super ideal situation, you can barely make enough money to recover the Greenlight fee. The idea of people making money off cards is mostly baseless becauase its impossible to actually recover the greenlight fee
4) Steam's issue with them is how they skew the ratings. They don't really care about the card farming aspect because its not a pervasive problem and you they don't make neough money to make it worth while. People just 'try' but the math never actually adds up.

1) Yes they do. They issued a release about it.
2) Yes they are. 80% of the games on Steam were added in the last two years.

I see a distant ancestor (not direct linear obviously) stood on the deck ot the Titanic haranguing panicing passengers. "The ship CAN'T be sinking. It says here in the guide that the ship is unsinkable. Can't you read ?".

The change is already on its way Satoru. The only query left is when and how.

S.x.

the last three years have been the best years of gaming ever. Just this weekend I spent the entire weekend engrossed just looking at intresting titles not sure which one to play because they all are deep and would require some investment.

BUT...

I think we are going to be overwhemed before too much longer and Valve is going to have to improve the search/filtering system for sure

[RIP]

You can't get a game on steam anymore without refunding an getting a little memo note attached with the refund and my response to noreply@support their suggestion was check reviews before purchasing?: How else am I supposed to do this?There aren’t any customer reviews on day of release.
How would that help anyway?
When games are released the only reviews to check are Curators.
I’m not looking for a hypocrisy war I want a game that functions with my specs.
Obviously, most of my refunded,returns are not what I expected.
This game meets my specs. but has problems like most of the others I returned.

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Scratch:

You can't get a game on steam anymore without refunding an getting a little memo note attached with the refund and my response to noreply@support their suggestion was check reviews before purchasing?: How else am I supposed to do this?There aren’t any customer reviews on day of release.

Wait for one then. You don't have to buy a game on release day.

How would that help anyway?

And this question sums up why your problem is internal.

When games are released the only reviews to check are Curators.
I’m not looking for a hypocrisy war I want a game that functions with my specs.

System requirements are there., learn to read them, also take the time to learn what your pc can handle.

Obviously, most of my refunded,returns are not what I expected.
This game meets my specs. but has problems like most of the others I returned.

Which means you need to stop buying games on release. Wait until the game is about 3 months old before release. Esspecially AAA games.

[Satoru]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gallifrey:

1) Yes they do. They issued a release about it.

It'd be nice if you read past the 1 sentence of their release and my post. But hey what I am expecting right

In fact if you READ it, which you obviously did not, they actually do not care about these fake games as a concept. They only care because it SCREWS UP THE SEARCH ALGORITHM. They don't care about the fake games. They care that the search algorithm is getting bad data. The concept of the fake games themselves they don't care about. they don't even care that they're using them to farm cards, because the finanicals for doing it are bad.

They care about the SEARCH ALGORITHM. Not the fake game.

2) Yes they are. 80% of the games on Steam were added in the last two years.

Note that has nothing to do with bad games 'flooding' the store.

But please instead of quoting data that doesn't support your position lets see if you can give some data that does

Please provide actual reference of the # of 'fake games' released on steam in the past year. Please then correlate that with the # of actual releases on steam. If you're going to claim the steam store is 'flooded' with them, then you should have no problems providing said data.

But you won't because said data doesn't exist. You don't have it. You won't provide it. Because you know what the answer is.

Stuff you don't like != shovelware

I see a distant ancestor (not direct linear obviously) stood on the deck ot the Titanic haranguing panicing passengers. "The ship CAN'T be sinking. It says here in the guide that the ship is unsinkable. Can't you read ?".

I see a troll making a false correlative, again.