Ending discussions (massive spoilers beware duh)

[StarFall]

I played the game in one sitting from start to finnish, took 7h 12m and these are the endings I found.

1: You leave the baby with the queen but you get turned into one of those creatures, so baby lives but is stuck in the other dimension and must take the vitae forever while you are doomed to wander mindless. Getting cought by the beam in the bossfight to many times results in this ending as well.

2: You escape via the portal but you will both die in time due to the sickness.

3: You kill the queen but you and the baby also die from the shadow.

None of those seems like a good ending to me, is there one I have missed, like somehow to cure yourself before you escape via the portal?

I have the game on gog if you were wondering.

[Rhino1931]

I don't believe there's any other ending than the 3 you've listed. From what I've seen, the second ending has been perceived as the "good" ending, and I'd have to agree. Yes, you and the daughter are sick with two different things, but hell we don't know what either of them are sick with, with only vague hints given to what the first daughter died from, and as far as we know whatever Tasi is sick with can be cured from drinking freaking Dasani (or more realistically a blood transfusion). As far as the daughter goes, could it be possible that its an illness that if caught early enough can be treated? Who knows?

Whatever you see as the right thing to do, can be perceived as the "good ending"

[KaisN]

I don't think there's a good ending, no. It was arguable that there was one to TDD, which would be the one where you create the potion to sever Agrippa's head with his consciousness in it, and throw him through first, allowing you and Alex to both be consumed by the Shadow. It's a very similar ending to the third one in A:R, with a key difference: That ending in TDD has a scene after where some hope is given to Daniel's survival from Weyer and Agrippa. No such thing in A:R, which was a little disappointing to me.

Maybe that was the point though, I mean.. even if Tasi survives and escapes, and lets even say she manages to cure her baby and herself, she'll be pursued by the Shadow forever just like Daniel was - It's all fairly bleak. Personally I took solace in just ending the cycle of pain and torture.

[Rhino1931]

Originally posted by KaisN:

I don't think there's a good ending, no. It was arguable that there was one to TDD, which would be the one where you create the potion to sever Agrippa's head with his consciousness in it, and throw him through first, allowing you and Alex to both be consumed by the Shadow. It's a very similar ending to this one, with a key difference: That ending in TDD has a scene after where some hope is given to Daniel's survival from Weyer and Agrippa. No such thing in A:R, which was a little disappointing to me.

Maybe that was the point though, I mean.. even if Tasi survives and escapes, and lets even say she manages to cure her baby, she'll be pursued by the Shadow forever just like Daniel was - It's all fairly bleak. Personally I took solace in just ending the cycle of pain and torture.

Well technically we don't have any reason to believe the shadow would pursue Tasi, as it had Daniel. Daniel was only chased as a result of him taking the orb. Tasi (if I remember correctly) didn't have an orb with her by the end

[Aki]

I'd rather die with my baby than give her to monsters. For me, it's the best of ends.

[KaisN]

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

Originally posted by KaisN:

I don't think there's a good ending, no. It was arguable that there was one to TDD, which would be the one where you create the potion to sever Agrippa's head with his consciousness in it, and throw him through first, allowing you and Alex to both be consumed by the Shadow. It's a very similar ending to this one, with a key difference: That ending in TDD has a scene after where some hope is given to Daniel's survival from Weyer and Agrippa. No such thing in A:R, which was a little disappointing to me.

Maybe that was the point though, I mean.. even if Tasi survives and escapes, and lets even say she manages to cure her baby, she'll be pursued by the Shadow forever just like Daniel was - It's all fairly bleak. Personally I took solace in just ending the cycle of pain and torture.

Well technically we don't have any reason to believe the shadow would pursue Tasi, as it had Daniel. Daniel was only chased as a result of him taking the orb. Tasi (if I remember correctly) didn't have an orb with her by the end

If that was true, the people Daniel visited before going to Brennenburg castle wouldn't have been horrifically murdered. I don't think the Shadow cares, it seemingly is drawn to everyone who's been in contact with an Orb that isn't warded when used. It is possible that it wouldn't follow Tasi because the Orb was left with it, but given that the thing we have the least information about now in this setting IS the Shadow, it's really hard to argue one way or the other definitively.

[Rhino1931]

Originally posted by KaisN:

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

Well technically we don't have any reason to believe the shadow would pursue Tasi, as it had Daniel. Daniel was only chased as a result of him taking the orb. Tasi (if I remember correctly) didn't have an orb with her by the end

If that was true, the people Daniel visited before going to Brennenburg castle wouldn't have been horrifically murdered. I don't think the Shadow cares, it seemingly is drawn to everyone who's been in contact with an Orb that isn't warded when used. It is possible that it wouldn't follow Tasi because the Orb was left with it, but given that the thing we have the least information about now in this setting IS the Shadow, it's really hard to argue one way or the other definitively.

It only killed them because they'd come into contact with Daniel, not the orb itself, but I understand what you're thinking, plus the loading screens in the first game implied that the shadow is trying to "contain the orbs", therefore if Tasi didn't have it then in theory she should be safe, from that at the very least.

[KaisN]

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

Originally posted by KaisN:

If that was true, the people Daniel visited before going to Brennenburg castle wouldn't have been horrifically murdered. I don't think the Shadow cares, it seemingly is drawn to everyone who's been in contact with an Orb that isn't warded when used. It is possible that it wouldn't follow Tasi because the Orb was left with it, but given that the thing we have the least information about now in this setting IS the Shadow, it's really hard to argue one way or the other definitively.

It only killed them because they'd come into contact with Daniel, not the orb itself, but I understand what you're thinking

I mean, Daniel brings the shattered pieces of it to show to at least one of the characters, so it stands to reason he's carrying it around all the time until Brennenburg. Either way, Daniel or the Orb I suppose the end result is the same.

[Rhino1931]

Originally posted by KaisN:

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

It only killed them because they'd come into contact with Daniel, not the orb itself, but I understand what you're thinking

I mean, Daniel brings the shattered pieces of it to show to at least one of the characters, so it stands to reason he's carrying it around all the time until Brennenburg. Either way, Daniel or the Orb I suppose the end result is the same.

True, also I was in the middle of editing that post you quoted if you want to read that

[KaisN]

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

Originally posted by KaisN:

I mean, Daniel brings the shattered pieces of it to show to at least one of the characters, so it stands to reason he's carrying it around all the time until Brennenburg. Either way, Daniel or the Orb I suppose the end result is the same.

True, also I was in the middle of editing that post you quoted if you want to read that

This would make it the best outcome for Tasi and her baby, personally. As ME though, I find it hard to stomach the idea of just going home and letting the madness go on in the Empress' world for all eternity.

[Rhino1931]

For OP, while looking at the achievements I noticed that I accidentally played through a part of the game without doing something involving torturing someone in the other dimension to "cure?" the child's illness; not sure if that affects any of the endings

[Rhino1931]

Originally posted by KaisN:

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

True, also I was in the middle of editing that post you quoted if you want to read that

This would make it the best outcome for Tasi and her baby, personally. As ME though, I find it hard to stomach the idea of just going home and letting the madness go on in the Empress' world for all eternity.

Oh believe me I was thinking the same thing, but I started to think about the length of time between TDD and Rebirth and how nothing world ending had occurred (not counting Mandus, and his manbearpig army), so I just said "screw it" lol

[StarFall]

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

For OP, while looking at the achievements I noticed that I accidentally played through a part of the game without doing something involving torturing someone in the other dimension to "cure?" the child's illness; not sure if that affects any of the endings

It is reveal by the empress that it is only a temporary fix so I'm guessing it has no outcome on the endings. I did the thing and got injected with the vitae in my playthrough.

[Rhino1931]

Originally posted by StarFall:

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

For OP, while looking at the achievements I noticed that I accidentally played through a part of the game without doing something involving torturing someone in the other dimension to "cure?" the child's illness; not sure if that affects any of the endings

It is reveal by the empress that it is only a temporary fix so I'm guessing it has no outcome on the endings. I did the thing and got injected with the vitae in my playthrough.

Ahhh okay, well that's good then. I can't believe I'd forgotten about that part. Didn't even know it was optional lol.

[KaisN]

Originally posted by StarFall:

Originally posted by MantusTobbogan69:

For OP, while looking at the achievements I noticed that I accidentally played through a part of the game without doing something involving torturing someone in the other dimension to "cure?" the child's illness; not sure if that affects any of the endings

It is reveal by the empress that it is only a temporary fix so I'm guessing it has no outcome on the endings. I did the thing and got injected with the vitae in my playthrough.

It's actually in a note before this section too, where the writer is describing efforts to 'cure' the afflicted person (I think it is the Empress but I'm not 100%) with Vitae are basically just pushing back the decay for a time until it comes back. I had that knowledge in the back of my head when I got to the part where I could torture the guy for Vitae, and chose not to because no point and evil.

[StarFall]

Originally posted by KaisN:

Originally posted by StarFall:

It is reveal by the empress that it is only a temporary fix so I'm guessing it has no outcome on the endings. I did the thing and got injected with the vitae in my playthrough.

It's actually in a note before this section too, where the writer is describing efforts to 'cure' the afflicted person (I think it is the Empress but I'm not 100%) with Vitae are basically just pushing back the decay for a time until it comes back. I had that knowledge in the back of my head when I got to the part where I could torture the guy for Vitae, and chose not to because no point and evil.

Yeah I was wondering about some parts if you really had to kill somone to continue, like that person sitting on the balcony with the vitae mask on. I looked around but I could not find a way to not kill him by stealing his container. Honestly it never occured to me that I could just skip the torture part and leave on the tram